China's 5th generation fighter exposed!

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Reports coming form internet sites in China have published images of a large, stealth-like aircraft that, if confirmed, could be the first hard evidence of China’s new 5th Genaration multirole aircraft. The images show the parked aircraft being inspected, and taxiing along a taxiway at an unnamed airport. Analysts in the West accepted the images with some doubts, due to the Chinese’ in displaying imaginary ‘facts’ but the photos released today seem genuine. recent reports coming from China mention Chengdu has recently completed two J-20 technology demonstrator aircraft sofar, one model will be used for the test flights and another one will be used for ground testing.

The development of such program was known for some time but has never officially attributed to a specific type or maker. In 2009 deputy commander of the People’s Liberation Army Air Force He Weirong stated in a TV interview that China had multiple such programs underway and that an as-yet-undesignated fifth-generation fighter developed jointly by Chengdu Aircraft Corporation and Shenyang Aircraft Corporation would be in service by 2017-2019. According to U.S. intelligence assessments Chinese 5th generation aircraft could become operational by the turn of the decade.

Pics in the link.

I'm not sure if its real or not, it possible that it could be photo shopped. It could be real, for one thing at the front the nose seems fatter than the F22 so it may be based on that. Just like the PAK 50 which is similar to the F22. Tail design is different as well. Anybody else want to input their opinion on it?

The tail is reminiscent of the YF-23's tail, the YF-23 having been the main competitor to the F-22 for that generation fighter in the US. The rest of the plane looks quite different and reminds me a lot of the fictional Firefox from the early 80's Clint Eastwood movie of the same name.

This aircraft, at seventy feet long seems rather large for some applications, do you think it would be able to operate from their new carrier when it comes on line?
The fuel capacity may be large, but the engines they tout will guzzle lots of fuel, id asay it wont have the range of our own attack planes.

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Even the F-22 is not designed for carrier use. It's really a big plane, but this Chinese plane and the Russian plane they show, as well, are just enormous as fighters go. Modern fighters are now about the size of WWII bombers - just think about that! The next generation plane for our carrier force is to be a variant of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

China doesn't have a carrier force, anyway, though they are fiddling with ideas about building some. Only France has a a full-sized carrier along the lines of the US carriers, and they only have one at that size (I think they have 3 or 4 smaller ones, too). The UK has smaller carriers, and Russia has only one as well, I believe (it carries about half as many planes as the Nimitz class carriers of the US Navy). Some other nations might have some small carriers, too. I'm not sure.

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i have seen the Russian junk fly that they compare to the f-22 it is much slower turning wise plus add in the fact that we have a system in the new helmets that projects where the enemy is anywhere around the plane to get a lock on and they are done. LOL the f-22 is old news as well remember the first stealth bomber we had it for like 10 years before we used it and nobody knew about it. I guessing what we have now makes stealth technology look old because they stopped production on the f-22's if it was super top of the line we wouldn't do that lol. Our government is a bunch of gross over spenders. Lol the black bird still holds the world record for both altitude and speed and its from 1962 lol. really you should be laughing at both china and Russia's failed attempt to compare planes because they are really far behind us the stealth bomber is from 1981

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Its not designed to fly of carriers. The size of this plane tells me that it was design to fly far, especially around the regions close to China that has importance like South China Sea and Taiwan. If we go to war against them, they can meet us head on when we send our carriers to protect Taiwan, or perhaps South Korea if there is a conflict in the peninsula.

Air intakes look too sharp for decent Stealth imo, also those V empennage and aircraft are pretty standard copies of the BAE Replica and Eurofighter mix which France and now China it seems has managed to steal (I would question this if there is a spy in BAE) (or a China France collaboration).

Also, if these aircraft are too large then I would have to say are they offensive rather than defensive which is a worry or is it a country that large needs a larger range aircraft to defend itself rather that lots of smaller ones? I would imagine less bases and more large capable aircraft are more economical.

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3 more pics. It has canards and we can tell from the rear it won't be that stealthy. It looks like it could carry a lot of weapons in its internal bay.

Im surprised you didn't find this thread when you did you search.
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Anyway, you may want to go to it and read what great post are there as so good discussions took place.

Originally posted by pcrobotwolf
i have seen the Russian junk fly that they compare to the f-22 it is much slower turning wise

Where have you seen it fly? And you are of course aware that it is a prototype that has not been pushed anywhere near the limits yet? Moreover the production PAK-FA will have completely new engines, that are not installed on the first prototype, and should make an appearance on the third flying prototype.

No one at this point except the higher-ups in Russia knows the functional and operational statistics of the PAK FA.

Some more clear pics of the fighter. Clear view of the rear.

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Looks pretty sexy.

Profile is reminiscent of the Su-47 Berkut demonstrator, though lacking the forward-swept wings.

Did Mikoyan corp help develop this too? I see some MiG-1.44 in it too.

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I doubt it, more like the Chinese got their design based on that, or somebody in the company gave them the blueprints and the Chinese made some changes to it. Otherwise the Russians would have made it known it was their design in the first place.

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take a F14 Tom Cat, F22 Raptor what do you get? oh ya paint a big red star on it, good find and yes i do think this could be Carrier based look at the F14 real close, see any similarities? take a look at the landing gear.

Originally posted by deltaboy
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I doubt it, more like the Chinese got their design based on that, or somebody in the company gave them the blueprints and the Chinese made some changes to it. Otherwise the Russians would have made it known it was their design in the first place.

I've heard that after Sukhoi got the PAKFA contract, MiG took their 5th generation designs to China. That's why I brought it up.

Why do they all look similar, JSF, F-22, PAKFA and now this. Russian Aircraft always used to be pretty unique (except Concordski) as did SaaB, BAE and Dassault and the Americans but lately they all look remarkable similar, the exception being B2 and F-117 of the stealth craft.

I wonder if their designers looked at the F-22 and tried to copy it because I cant imagine that if the Chinese and Russians had separate programmes to look into stealth they would all come up with a similar shape. So they copy it and try to understand how it works?

I wonder how dissapointed they were when the radar signature of that beast was tested and it stood out like a A380?! Now they have to figure out how to make it aerodynamic with all the little control surfaces and other millions of adjustments the Flight Control System does. So they stick cannards and all number of fairings on to make it more stable and lower the radar signature.

I bet the poor pilots works load and the brick like handling will make this behemoth a real sucess. I only hope they have cracked the ejection seat like Martin Baker has.

And...whats with those big ass hinge farings, they must be using some mighty pneumatic pumps in there.

Good job china has lots of room, they are gonna need it for this baby to take off and land.

OK, 3 and 4 I am taking liberties but 1 and 2, come on, rip off!!

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That plane coudln't stand a chance. It doesn't even look like it has thrust vectoring capability, nor does it have stealth exhaust. That tango's just asking to be killed. Not that I believe China even has the radar systems the US has.

Originally posted by MisterBurns
OK, 3 and 4 I am taking liberties but 1 and 2, come on, rip off!!

I fail to see how the F-22/J-20/T-50 all look like copies. They all look very different to me, especially when you look at the details like engines, air intakes, canards, wing angles. The general shape may vaguely look similar, but this is the modern concept of stealth fighter fuselage design.

I mean really, comparing the F-22/T-50/J-20 together is like comparing the P-51/Me-109/Spitfire. They look similar because that's the generation, but they are all designed by competing nations and have their own unique features.

and as usual the armchair generals think they know it better and make random claims seemingly without any backing and knowledge of how aircraft development works.

I kinda miss the older days here when there were more actual discussions and less armchair generals.