What did the Catholic Church ever do to You?

reply to post by oliveoil


Absolutly noth'in. But I'm not Catholic.

reply to post by wcitizen


You know what, I was raised Catholic, and none of these things happened to me, that doesnt mean that they didnt happen to others, there are bad elements & people in EVERY RELIGIOUS SECT. not EVERY priest is a child molester, the priests I knew were TRULY concerned for his parishioner's spiritual health. One priest I know from back in NY stayed at an elderly's bedside til she passed, then cried with the family. My current priest served with the 101st Airborne during Desert Storm and is a Major in the reserves and has been over to the sandbox at LEAST 10 times in the last 5 years.
During the aftermath of Hurricane Charley, the local Catholic priests rolled up their sleeves and helped with storm cleanup.
These are just a few of the good things I know of, I dont doubt there are thousands of other good deeds these godly people have done.
Yes, the Church is responsible for atrocities in its past, but what group IS NOT responsible for bad things it has done in its past to further its goals?

One more thing: what works for one person for his spiritual growth doesnt always work for the next person.
OP, if the Church works for your spiritual well being, great, dont worry what others have to say, you arent going to convince these people to change their minds here, I'm sorry for that, but when you see a thread that might bash the church, maybe its best to leave it alone, or counter it with a good thread of your own

It demented my ENTIRE view of reality.
Guilt- massive amounts of Guilt
ask anyone who was forced to go through catholic school in the 80s
It took years to shed this bull# perspective on reality
Now I know that all christianity is nothing more than a control system

All this bikkering is not going to change the op's hypnotic belief system...perhaps the op should have asked "What did the Catholic Church ever FOR You? And that answer is easy...absolutely nothing.

Originally posted by xynephadyn
It demented my ENTIRE view of reality.
Guilt- massive amounts of Guilt
ask anyone who was forced to go through catholic school in the 80s
It took years to shed this bull# perspective on reality
Now I know that all christianity is nothing more than a control system

Catholic school victim from 1984-1990. I am permanently traumatized. I don't think there is any help for me. *Tries to repress the memories of 4th grade* I often wonder if I was the only 3rd or 4th grader to stare longingly off campus wondering what would happen if I was to "escape" off campus and run home.

Fishing for comments much? I'll be nice and add to your collection. I'm not going to dignify it with a thought out response though.

reply to post by oliveoil


Occupied my ancestor lands - slaughtered many people by doing that. Pretty much destroyed our culture. And forced my tribesmen Latvians into slavery for 700 hundred years.

Catholics (Teutonic Order) for Latvia is like Conquistadors to Native Americans. Except there wasn't a genocide against Latvians. They saw us as lower people, barbaric people and chose to enslave us.

Isn't that enough for me to dislike anything that has something to do with Catholicism.

Not to mention of course pedophilia that is going on in monasteries.

Cheers.

Originally posted by xynephadyn
It demented my ENTIRE view of reality.
Guilt- massive amounts of Guilt
ask anyone who was forced to go through catholic school in the 80s
It took years to shed this bull# perspective on reality
Now I know that all christianity is nothing more than a control system

Did you get emotionally beat up for not giving your lunch money to the "Pagan Children" (TM) on Fridays?
Did they give you a choice of buying a candy bar or donating to the PC fund?

reply to post by oliveoil

What did the Catholic Church ever do to You?

I will tell you what they did to me! members of the fake religious catholic church physically & sexually abused my father as a child! That's what! they did ... Then they sent people to cover the despicable deeds they had done to protect the name of the church. Then they exiled & ridiculed my grand mother because she stood up for her child! The trauma my father suffered goes right through his life where his unhappiness rubbed off on the whole family ....... That good enough for you?

Now who is the hypocrite? The answer is you for even defending the organisation that does this to people! I hope you are proud of yourself! You come out with this much attitude on a sensitive subject & you will get it back ten fold!

reply to post by oliveoil


Because your senator/boss preaches that condoms are worse than aids. Even if you do philosophical/politicla u-turn, there's no getting away from the evil preachment.

And just look at all the problems with Protestants and Catholics in Ireland and other places alike, it's prejudice due joining a specific "army of god"

reply to post by oliveoil


Sad to report to you friend, as a former Catholic, they do not teach a biblical view, or the proper way of salvation. Catholicism DOES give credit to Jesus as savior, but does not teach/follow his ways or the MEANS of salvation (faith).

If you want to know truth, seek it as gold. Chick.com has good info on Catholicism, it is a cult, and no, Jesus did not found that church, it is against him and the false prophet in Revelation will most likely be a Pope.

The Mass is a sham, see Hebrews Ch 7-11. Jesus offered himself ONCE for all time, never to be repeated. The Mass pretends to repeat that sacrifice. Sadly, every Mass is a lie and a blasphemy. That is why it does the Priest of Rome no good, and they molest children. God said not to forbid marriage--what does Rome do? Exactly that, and what are the consequences: Children are molested. That is not God's plan. Seek the truth my friend.

Originally posted by archasama
reply to post by oliveoil

 

Not to mention of course pedophilia that is going on in monasteries.

Cheers.

you wanna show some evidence or a source to that?

Dude got grilled. Didnt even answer the responses with the "facts" that he was obviously so eager for. Bottom line the catholic church is more about doing harm than good. Open your eyes and mind and stop listening to that crap they are beating into you.

reply to post by xynephadyn


Seems we went through Catholic School together. In addition - social ostracism once I removed myself from their control. As a previous Lector, Altar Society Member, Auxillary, Cathecism Teacher, Youth Group leader, I was so indoctrinated until I couldn't answer my own kids who new in their souls that it was wrong to follow. What hit me finally? My daughter, now 20, asked why does the church believe that only through JC will we be saved? I thought it was through the Creator? Then my research, learning, and separation began.

A great note I heard once is "God's intention is for all to be ONE family" then in the next hypocritical note, it'll state "that only through JC, will anyone be saved". So screw the rest of humanity?

Now - spiritually, it is just me & the Creator. No middleman required. Nothing but interference. And I agree with other posters re: control, cult, etc.

To the OP: walk your own walk. My husband is still engrained and has NO understanding or even WANTS to know about my breakaway. Utter lack of respect, compassion, very judgemental, ostracized as his spouse, etc., BUT, I still attend with him to support & RESPECT his choice. That's my walk. I do not kneel when I attend with him or say anything - why should I be subserviant to something? I am at peace within my heart being one with the Creator. It's that simple.

Good luck on your journey - I hope you don't snap like most followers probably will when the Church implodes. BTW - did you know the filing against the Church from Canada? 50,000 children missing? Believe it comes to a head in April. Find the suit, if your journey takes you there. Peace all!

reply to post by oliveoil


THe scriptural justification of slavery. Go an dread Bartholomew de las Casas. The tacit justification of wars like Northern Ireland ( both sides were wrong). Supporting Hitler against the Russians. A persistent hatred of contraceptive devices leading to the HIV explosion.

FYI it was Saint Paul who established the church of Rome.

Need more

reply to post by HomerinNC


I'm not saying that in all monasteries there's pedophilia.

Though I've heard stories from Polish people who have been victims of pedophilia.

To deny that there's pedophilia in monasteries is ignorant.

There have been many cases and there will be in future.

Why?

What you get when sexually active men is put together with small boys and isolated them from women.

It's like putting a vegan in a room where there's only meat to eat. So naturally he will start eating meat.

It's the same case with orphanage for boys in Romania where my sister is working as a volunteer. Heterosexual boys there tend to "experiment" between each other because they don't have girls but they need to satisfy themselves.

Cheers.

Olive Oil gone kinda quiet,m huh.
Hmm...hard to counter truth aint it.
Third line.

Originally posted by oliveoil
WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM ?

How about the fact that a pedophile priest molested one of my best friends as a child?

Originally posted by oliveoil
Seriously, 99 % of all you posters out there seem to have beef with the catholic church. The Church Jesus Christ himself established. WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM ? The Church has always been there though out the ages always giving and supporting people in need.You cant always turn toward your family but you can always count on the Catholic church. (hypocrites)

Mods, please post this where you seem fit. Thanks OO

edit on 27-12-2010 by oliveoil because: (no reason given)

my problem with it..and any other religion..is it all just breeds hatred towards others and terrorism. its all fictional made up crap theres just no such thing as this higher all creating being.

and even if he existed i refuse to follow someone who threatens us with eternal damnation if we dont believe in him. its just arrogant and im stubborn threatening me makes me less likely to believe.

Its always amuses me when people make a Question thread then totally refuse to have there question answered as it does not fit there narrow view or opinion.

Personally I have a beef with any religious orginisation that tries to force there ways on those around them. The catholic church is no better or worse than any of the religions out there.

As for trying to seperate the religion from its followers, any orginisation is defined by its followers actions as they are the voice and face of it.