America In Decline: Why Germans Think We're Insane

Originally posted by Mr. D

You would think that corporations ... could afford to foot the bill of health care on their own.

That was the old paradigm when people stayed at a single employer for 20 years.

That paradigm sailed years ago.

You see our congress is incompetent at best, corrupt surely, incapacitated by fear maybe, and/or mind controlled and possessed by an alien entity most probably.

This is a crisis of a failed central policy and a determined unified will to do anything significant to fix things.

It may take a military coup or a presidential dictatorship to make people do what is neccessary.

Blackops is completely correct when he states that we are indeed living in 1939 Germany.

It's not a joke folks.

This isn't a test.

Serious shi@ is gonna go down

Originally posted by BlackOps719
Foolish that we do nothing about it.

What would you have us do, start a revolution?
That is exactly what needs to happen in order to
get rid of the traitors and thieves. It will take care
of itself in due time, It always does. In other words
they always do it to themselves, look at all the fallen
Kingdoms, nations and states throughout history.
Those who do not learn from the past are doomed
to repeat it and cuzin, doomin is a'boomin.

reply to post by Sestias


Great post guy!

The ignorant and uniformed who are brainwashed by cunning conservatives always cry the bogeyman of socialism when common sense like your post is mentioned.

The countries in Europe and other sane countries that at least take care of their citizens with national health care are far better off than we Americans who are victims of the ignorant conservative philosophy that is maintained because of the Republican Party and their supporters. It’s that simple, though I might add that the traitorous, fake progressive Barack Obama also adds to the mix.

reply to post by In nothing we trust


I think we might wake up one moring to see military vehicals rolling
down the street, loudspeaker blaring stating martial law is in effect,
curfews of dusk to dawn are in effect and anyone found outside after
dark will be shot on sight. Why is altogether a whole different can
of worms.

Originally posted by Mr. D
reply to post by In nothing we trust

 

I think we might wake up one moring to see military vehicals rolling
down the street, loudspeaker blaring stating martial law is in effect,
curfews of dusk to dawn are in effect and anyone found outside after
dark will be shot on sight.

Why is altogether a whole different can of worms.

All kinds of whys exist.

I see the military as a friend.

Many on ATS see the military as a threat.

I guess the military could be a threat if the wrong hand guides them.

Tricky and dangerous times for someone in uniform for sure.

Originally posted by In nothing we trust

Originally posted by Mr. D
reply to post by In nothing we trust

 

I think we might wake up one moring to see military vehicals rolling
down the street, loudspeaker blaring stating martial law is in effect,
curfews of dusk to dawn are in effect and anyone found outside after
dark will be shot on sight.

Why is altogether a whole different can of worms.

All kinds of whys exist.

I see the military as a friend.

Many on ATS see the military as a threat.

I guess the military could be a threat if the wrong hand guides them.

Tricky and dangerous times for someone in uniform for sure.

edit on 30-12-2010 by In nothing we trust because: (no reason given)

I too see the military as a friend however you are correct in the guiding hand.
Was it McArthur would warned of the Military Industrial Complex? I know
many in the Military will never shoot Americans however there are always
those who always follow orders regardless if they are legal or not. Look
at what happened in Germany in WWII, all dissent was crushed regardless
if they were German or not. Like I posted earlier, doomin is a'boomin.

Originally posted by Mr. D

I too see the military as a friend however you are correct in the guiding hand.

Look at what happened in Germany in WWII, all dissent was crushed regardless
if they were German or not.

You can draw up all kinds of scenarios, but once the tanks roll all bets are off.

I see Red Dawn and Tiananmen Square.

I think the American people are resilient.

But if the tanks never roll we may have (an incident) ...



Tricky times friends.

Dangerous times.

Hitler had 3 to 5 independant layers of security, that didn't trust each other, around him much like Nero.

reply to post by In nothing we trust


We already had our Reichstag fire, it was called 9-11.

Originally posted by Mr. D
reply to post by In nothing we trust

 

We already had our Reichstag fire, it was called 9-11.

Indeed

The Patriot Act

The law was submitted to Congress by the Bush Administration on September 24th, just 13 days after the attack.

911research.wtc7.net...

They appear to be pre-emptive or extremely pro-active this time round.

Honestly I'm not sure which.

But i do see problems that continue to fester and be ignored by a failed central policy.

A band-aid ain't gonna do it.

It's gonna take major surgery and they ain't gonna like it.

Originally posted by Onet Wosix
Europe is not all its cracked up to be.

here in England , Health care is not very good, and getting a dentist is unbelievably difficult.

the european union will fail, - this lumping together of dis-similar nations has been tried before and in time always fails.

I have always admired the USA for being a country that has some balls, and even though I hear some things are a bit bad over there, I am sure things will come good again.

Everyone says China will be the next super power, but i honestly believe the USA will be flexing its muscles for a long time yet.

Tosh. Utter Tosh. My doctor is absolutely fantastic, the surgery is always accommodating and I can usually get an appointment with short notice on the same day, and follow up care is brilliant, as is my dentists, which was not "unbelievably difficult" as you put it. It was an absolute cakewalk to register and get appointments. And I live near one of the best hospitals in the country.

Don't like Europe? Do feel free to leave, this continent has gone through so much darkness and blight over the last 100 years, and it's people like you who are making the recovery harder than it needs to be.

Originally posted by Sestias
reply to post by pinchanze

 

As I said in my earlier post, the government runs Social Security and Medicare very well. In my state most of the social programs (food stamps, medicaid, section 8 housing, etc.) are also efficient and effective. These programs are generally jointly funded by both the state and the federal governments.

If these services were privatized they would cost much more than they do now, and because profits are more important to them than people, they wouldn't mind screwing either the state or the recipient in the process.

Hey Sestias!

Where the hell do you get your info? You must live in the Biltmore. THE GOVERMENT RUNS SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE VERY WELL! LOL LOL LOL. Those so-called social programs are funded by the TAX PAYERS! There is no more money to run them. Don't you get it ya Goober? There are more recipients than contributers.....You know.....more people taking,than giving! Jointly funded? The goverment is printing fake money. You know, Monopoly money! It's not worth anything! Why do you think the Chinese are so teeed off. We are flooding the world with fake$$$$$$$$$$$. That is what should teee off the Germans. Get off this site and look up SS funding and medicare funding and you might learn something. Oh Yea! The EU...You guys who joined that made a big mistake. Greece,Spain,Ireland,who is next? You are no longer indepedent,soverign nations....just puppets on a string...no longer able to support yourselves. You have to rely on an entity to wipe your arses. WAKE UP!

reply to post by pinchanze

I have no problem with the fact that taxpayers, including myself, are funding Social Security and Medicare. Nothing can be done without funding from somewhere. In my opinion that is the right and proper way for a government, and a society, to be run.

I don't see you complaining about the trillions of dollars spent to fund several long, mostly futile wars, which we taxpayers are also paying for. I don't see you objecting to the fact that not only we, but future generations, will be paying for these wars through our own labor.

I have no problem with the idea that my tax dollars are helping to provide a retiree with an adequate pension; I expect to receive modest Social Security benefits myself when I retire. A much-needed and indispensable service for our citizens.

As far as you doomsayers claiming that these social benefits are going bankrupt and will be the destruction of America with their escalating costs -- people have been predicting that since Roosevelt instituted Social Security in the 1930's and it hasn't happened yet. Many respected economists have showed that it will not impact the deficit nearly as much as the wars. IMO it is a necessary and justified expense.

Originally posted by Sestias
reply to post by pinchanze

 

I have no problem with the fact that taxpayers, including myself, are funding Social Security and Medicare. Nothing can be done without funding from somewhere. In my opinion that is the right and proper way for a government, and a society, to be run.

I don't see you complaining about the trillions of dollars spent to fund several long, mostly futile wars, which we taxpayers are also paying for. I don't see you objecting to the fact that not only we, but future generations, will be paying for these wars through our own labor.

I have no problem with the idea that my tax dollars are helping to provide a retiree with an adequate pension; I expect to receive modest Social Security benefits myself when I retire. A much-needed and indispensable service for our citizens.

Hey Sestia!

Your not listening to me! Go look up Social Security and Medicare funding and the $$$$$ condition it is in! Good God man! It's a ponzi scam.......thats the problem with you liberals. You keep believing the spew of the PROGRESSIVE design. It's like feeding a dog. Do you know why a dog likes it's master? Do you know why a dog will protect it's master? Because that dog gets fed by his master. He knows if he does not protect his master he will not eat and therfore will die,not knowing that there is someone,in most cases, will eventually come along and feed him. Think about it Sestia! You are smarter than the dog. You have a choice! Don't be the dog! Peace!

As far as you doomsayers claiming that these social benefits are going bankrupt and will be the destruction of America with their escalating costs -- people have been predicting that since Roosevelt instituted Social Security in the 1930's and it hasn't happened yet. Many respected economists have showed that it will not impact the deficit nearly as much as the wars. IMO it is a necessary and justified expense.

edit on 30-12-2010 by Sestias because: (no reason given)

reply to post by Onet Wosix


as someone who ha been under the care of the NHS for nearly 10 years with a brain tumor, I have to disagree with you. The NHS is an amazing institution. Of course like all institutions it has its problems, but it has saved my life and I will defend it to the hills.

Europe is not all its cracked up to be.

here in England , Health care is not very good, and getting a dentist is unbelievably difficult.

Yeah I heard that before I moved here too. But it just hasn't been true for me. I have nothing but good things to say about the NHS. I have an NHS dentist, I was on a waiting list for 6 weeks which I do not think is unreasonable. Now I call and I get an appointment very quickly if needed.


THE NHS has improved the quality of my life, because I do not have to worry about medical care, where in the US the worry was always there..the "what if I lose my job and can't afford cobra" mantra. That piece of mind is priceless in my opinion.

reply to post by recreateaplace


well to address some of your points...

a very close relative went to the doctors repeatedly with severe stomach pains, and was fobbed off and told it was 'her age,' just an upset tummy etc - turns out it was severe colon cancer, and the first doctors that saw her were pleading with her not to sue for malpractice. (which we didn't)

so health care is maybe not all so good eh?

dentist? i had to wait 18 months to be registered.

i should leave europe? no thanks, my familys blood lays across europe, lost fighting for its freedom, thanks to numerous wars, and i will stay here thank you very much.

and as to getting Europe back on its feet? in the last 2 years alone I have invested several hundred thousand pounds in providing employment chances , and thanks to me there are 30 more jobs created in my locale, so I think i might have maybe played a small part in 'recovery'.

If anyone wants me to leave England, where the blood in my veins comes from the very English soil beneath my feet, just because I do not agree with some aspects of its Government, had better be ready for the unleashing of Hell.

reply to post by woodwardjnr


yup, well they dont always get it right mate, a close relative was a victim of malpractice.

reply to post by Onet Wosix


This is one of the best responses i have seen from across the pond in a great while. You Sir,are a great Englishman. I also love my country too much to just leave. At least you are helping to find a solution and not whining when things get tough. Too bad the Queen doesn't get to read this. Good luck to you man!

reply to post by pinchanze


thanks dude, i love my country, i just dont always love my government

i think that the USA is a country where the people understand that concept completely

reply to post by Sestias


If Europeans think we are crazy they should worry about their own backyards first. The fall will happen but it will start in the Euro zone. The problem is progressive mindsets and Europe is way ahead of America in this area.



When you start to take away freedoms because you are trying to protect freedom this is a sure sign of a troubled nation. The problem with most of Europe is when the collapse does happen they can not protect themselves and Americans can. Look back into history at the countries who have had guns banned. It will open your eyes to why they take them away in the first place.