U.S. Prepares For New Decade Of War In Asia

Summary: The United States is engaged in the longest war in its 234-year history in Afghanistan, one that will begin its eleventh calendar year in two weeks. Like the war that had been America’s longest before now, that in Indochina, the current one is in the Asian continent.

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U.S. Navy F/A-18F Super Hornet fighter attack aircrafts sit in heavy fog on the deck of the USS George Washington, during a joint military exercise off South Korea’s West Sea, in South Korea’s West Sea on Tuesday, Nov. 30, 2010.

With repeatedly extended projected withdrawal dates, the latest is 2014, although even that has been characterized by Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell as merely “aspirational,” the campaign in Afghanistan and over the past two years in neighboring Pakistan has marked Asia as the center of U.S. global military strategy and operations.

Roughly 100,000 U.S. troops and over half as many more from Washington’s North Atlantic Treaty Organization allies and partners are waging an armed conflict that this year has resulted in an increasing number of civilian casualties and the most deaths among belligerents on both sides since it began on October 7, 2001. U.S. and NATO war dead this year are approaching the 700 mark, nearly a third of the total for the over nine-year-old war.

Since the U.S. invasion in 2001 opium production has grown by 40,000 percent (according to Russian estimates), with Afghanistan accounting for 92 percent of the world’s cultivation of the narcotic. In addition to the killing of Afghan civilians by U.S. and NATO air and night raids, bomb attacks against civilians, including suicide bombings, are regular occurrences in Afghanistan and in neighboring Pakistan and Iran. Last month the U.S. and NATO flew 850 combat sorties, three times more than in November of last year. From January through November of this year foreign occupation forces’ aircraft have conducted 30,000 close air support missions for troops on the ground. In the last six months U.S. and NATO forces have launched 7,000 special operations missions in Afghanistan. [1] NATO helicopter gunships have also increased raids inside Pakistan, including one in September that killed three Pakistani border troops.

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Central Intelligence Agency-directed drone missile attacks in Pakistan have risen to at least 108 so far this year, more than double the 53 strikes in 2009. The amount of deaths caused by the attacks has also doubled, over 800 compared to 400 the preceding year. The Pentagon and its NATO allies have established a military presence on bases in several other nations in Central and South Asia, including – publicly – Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan and without official acknowledgement in Pakistan, Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan. In doing so the U.S. and the expansionist military bloc it controls have established a network of troops and bases in a swathe of territory with China to the east, Russia to the north and Iran to the west

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I think today is China awareness day on the net. I smell smoke....

I will be monitoring the media from Asia but I tell you I can't help but feel that something is up. Not with just China but I think they are the key player. I bet they will try a knock out punch and then follow up to whatever attach they do with the financial gun to our heads. The military strike will be the "Ensurer" to let people know they mean business.

The sad thing is that the USA would be better off fighting them now instead of waiting for China to grow even larger and more powerful than they have become. A big mistake. Can anyone disagree with that.

You toss in a few other problem countries and we got a USA ending scenario on our hands. IMO.

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Originally posted by anon72


I think today is China awareness day on the net. I smell smoke....

I will be monitoring the media from Asia but I tell you I can't help but feel that something is up. Not with just China but I think they are the key player. I bet they will try a knock out punch and then follow up to whatever attach they do with the financial gun to our heads. The military strike will be the "Ensurer" to let people know they mean business.

The sad thing is that the USA would be better off fighting them now instead of waiting for China to grow even larger and more powerful than they have become. A big mistake. Can anyone disagree with that.

You toss in a few other problem countries and we got a USA ending scenario on our hands. IMO.

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Well excuse me. Fight with what..?? U.S is already broke and her allies start to re-think about their blind support of its foreign policies nonsense!

unfortunately the US will always come up with the money to fund a new war.
i don't know how, but they do.

I don't know much about this topic (fair warning if you're expecting solid information here), but I'm going to provide my opinion anyway.

Personally I don't believe that engaging China would be a good idea, and I also think that it would be in China's best interest not to try to engage the U.S. There is the business relationship to consider. The Chinese export a lot of products to the U.S. and we (the consumers) buy it up. There's lots of us here supporting the Chinese economy. If we disappeared one day, it would be quite noticeable. These days if I pick up any type of product, I'm not surprised to see "Made in China" right on the back of it. Every now and then you'll see "Made in Korea" or "Made in Thailand", but most products (at least in the U.S.) are manufactured in China. Hundreds if not thousands of American businesses have moved their production to China while maintaining their headquarters here. I think that may be the case with other western countries as well. If we go to war, what would happen to their exports/U.S. imports? Both our economies would be starved for money and product. Right now they are intertwined. Then again,.... I know somebody who is currently serving in the air force, and this person claims/feels that China is next. (It's the reason this thread got my attention).

Let me throw you a curve ball here since we are on a conspiracy forum. What if going to war with China was a strategy to bring back all the manufacturing jobs that we lost to them? What would be left for U.S. businesses/corporations to do if not to either pull out of China and look at the labor prospects in surrounding 2nd world countries, or to come back home? Imagine if all the manufacturing jobs we outsource to China were to come back here. It would boost our economy like nothing else could. There is still India to compete with, but the Chinese seem to have the strongest hold on manufacturing. If this were the case, going to war with China would make far more sense. Of course corporations could simply move out of the U.S. entirely and set up headquarters in countries allied with China. Then again, are there many countries in Europe who (first of all) would stand with China/against the U.S., are their Governments stable, and do they have a business-friendly environment? Just some questions I can think of.

I'm still trying to work out the kinks in this little theory, so don't take it too seriously just yet. In fact, feel free to add to it if you think of anything else.

Regarding China/North Korea, this thread is about a new warplane China may be developing:

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I think they know something is coming and want to be prepared for it.

That smoke you can smell is probaby drifting in from youngpen sic island off Korea.
If there is a danger of instant war it is on that peninsula, where the max danger lies.
It would seem that the Iran agenda is on hold till we see if regime change is possible there.
That leaves the bitter standoff on the Korean peninsula where two ideologies have clashed repeatedly for decades.
Iran will have to be set aside for now, as the US has insufficient resources to cover another theater .

Originally posted by amkia




Well excuse me. Fight with what..?? U.S is already broke and her allies start to re-think about their blind support of its foreign policies nonsense!

Well to start with, the operating base budget for the fiscal year 2011 for the US Dept of Defense is just under $550 billion and total budget will be approx $895 billion. So although you say the US is broke, the budget suggests otherwise.

Here is the summary of the budget from gpoaccess.gov, all the info is there for you
Budget

Originally posted by youdidntseeme

Originally posted by amkia




Well excuse me. Fight with what..?? U.S is already broke and her allies start to re-think about their blind support of its foreign policies nonsense!

Well to start with, the operating base budget for the fiscal year 2011 for the US Dept of Defense is just under $550 billion and total budget will be approx $895 billion. So although you say the US is broke, the budget suggests otherwise.

Here is the summary of the budget from gpoaccess.gov, all the info is there for you
Budget

A budget is only useful if it is made with money one actually possesses.
Just a thought.

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I guess you are contending that the DoD is not actually receiving the funds from this budget?
Perhaps there is someway to back up that claim?
Should I warn my friends and family in the military that their paychecks are going to bounce?

If there is one place that will receive its money, it will be the DoD.

Originally posted by youdidntseeme
reply to post by recreateaplace

 

I guess you are contending that the DoD is not actually receiving the funds from this budget?
Perhaps there is someway to back up that claim?
Should I warn my friends and family in the military that their paychecks are going to bounce?

If there is one place that will receive its money, it will be the DoD.

Oh it's receiving funds no doubt, but where exactly are those funds coming from? Loans and debt most likely.

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Then we can agree that the budget is useful because the funds are being received.
I point again to the above post where the budget is linked, how the funds are received, through the accumulation of debt perhaps, is a different issue entirely. At the end of the day, the DoD is receiving the funds that they are allotted through the budget.

Originally posted by youdidntseeme
reply to post by recreateaplace

 

Then we can agree that the budget is useful because the funds are being received.
I point again to the above post where the budget is linked, how the funds are received, through the accumulation of debt perhaps, is a different issue entirely. At the end of the day, the DoD is receiving the funds that they are allotted through the budget.

I'll go with that Though I fear it will take Military paychecks bouncing on both sides of the Atlantic before most people realise how much peril we are actually in, especially considering our previous government bought two new carriers we cannot afford

ok,so you have a massive build up of US forces and resources in the central Asian republics.with as you point out China to the East,Russia to the North and Iran to the West.

Now apparently.the US/NATO Coalition is overstretching itself in Afghanistan,I mean they've been in Country for c 11 years without making noticable headway against the Taliban,so why on Earth would they pull the tigers tail by setting themselves up in the back garden of arguably two of the most(militarily) powerful nations on the planet? after all the Russians and Chinese are aware of the tactics and equipment at US/NATO disposal in Afghanistan.

There is no way that the US/NATO would put themselves in an untenable position,particularly in this region so what are they up to?IMO we literaly"aint seen nothin' yet"! yes a big deal has been made of economic austerity affecting everyone,even the military,but what of the various black projects that have no doubt been perfected over the decades?Are the US/NATO alliance now about to unleash their "crown jewel" weaponry such as the next generation stealth craft,disc craft,plasma weapon tecnology etc?.

Quite honestly,if they were to antagonise Russia and China with what is publically available in the inventory,they may as well get ready to kiss their collective as"es goodbye!

You say :


Well excuse me. Fight with what..?? U.S is already broke and her allies start to re-think about their blind support of its foreign policies nonsense!


I say :

Well, that's exactly why USA needs a big war, this is how usually the economy get fixed....according to history....right?

reply to post by Trueman


and lets extrapolate your statement just the smallest bit. A large scale war will require large scale manufacturing jobs, the factory jobs, which is one tier of industry that has been hit the hardest by the current recession/depression. You put Americans to work in manufacturing and there will be plenty of new jobs created that have been lost in the past 5 years.

Originally posted by youdidntseeme
reply to post by Trueman

 

and lets extrapolate your statement just the smallest bit. A large scale war will require large scale manufacturing jobs, the factory jobs, which is one tier of industry that has been hit the hardest by the current recession/depression. You put Americans to work in manufacturing and there will be plenty of new jobs created that have been lost in the past 5 years.

Yes brother, just like that.

Long time now.
England and the Opium Wars and perhaps a few before that were on the Asian front.
America and Australia and Canada are just doing the same old job to Asia for Britain.
We should start the Save America Canada and Australia from Britain Society
but SACABS just doesn't sound right.

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
Long time now.
England and the Opium Wars and perhaps a few before that were on the Asian front.
America and Australia and Canada are just doing the same old job to Asia for Britain.
We should start the Save America Canada and Australia from Britain Society
but SACABS just doesn't sound right.

American Empirical exploitation has nothing to do with Britain. The British Empire is, for most intents and purposes, done in the 21st century and now has to rely on other powers to survive (like the US or EU).

And how does the US fund their new campaigns in Asia? Look at the heroin trade coming out of Afghanistan, for one. Then all of US arms deals.

reply to post by recreateaplace


Are you being a funny one? That link is to the other thread I did about China. lol

You are correct in that linkage though.

You made me chuckle. Thank you.

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Well then Britain was the germ that spread to the others.
You said drugs just like Britain did and no one did it better.
What kind of copy cat is that unless its the same cat.