Pentagon - No camera footage = No plane. A reasonable assumption.

Originally posted by jessejamesxx
reply to post by Alfie1

 

I wasn't implying that they didn't believe the official story, they had no idea that they were negating it. They were shocked when they were told the official story's flight path.

I don't think you understand what I was trying to say. That's ok though.

I think I do understand what you were trying to say. Both cops said they thought the plane passed north of the gas station which was their position. But both said it was a jetliner and impacted the Pentagon.

But I would ask you to consider a couple of things. (a) Sgt Lagasse, when spoken to by CIT years later, couldn't remember where he was at the gas station . and (b) what do you think is likely to be the most firm memory ? exactly where the plane passed roughly overhead or whether or not it smacked right into the Pentagon ?

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
reply to post by mikelee

 

This is a well thought out thread. We will probably never know what really happened. Maybe we can hope for a change of heart for the better for one of the people in the know...

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NO!! We WILL know the truth!!! We WILL keep pushing til it comes to light by watever means!

reply to post by mikelee


They are waiting for photoshop type technologies to improve before they can release the rest of the video! We need to FORCE it out before they get on the technology curve.

reply to post by weedwhacker

There is no camera footage WHATSOEVER of this event. Is it, therefore, a "reasonable" assumption that it did not happen?? What went down outside Pittsburgh that evening? Why were intact human bodies not seen at the crash site?

Um...excuse me. The building that was hit was the Pentagon. Not "somewhere outside of Pittsburgh".

THE PENTAGON.

Do you really expect people to believe that there is NO FOOTAGE of this building at that time?

And why does it take an FOIA request and judicial threats of contempt to get ANY pics or video at all released outside of the scant few frames that were released?

If there is nothing to hide - why are they hiding it?

I'm going to say it again....if there's nothing to hide, why are they hiding it?

You seem like a smart guy. Why are you not questioning this very simple fact?

Hitler had nazi's blow up the reichstag in 1933 and then implemented a homeland security organization using the false flag attack of the reichstag. I find it amusing the pentagon was attacked and the CIA was created right after world war 2 and was made up of nazi intelligence members. Today we have the pentagon attacked almost the same way then the homeland security speeches came and the same as 1930s freedoms were destroyed in the name of homeland security. Anyone else find the parallels that are staring us RIGHT IN THE FACE DISGUSTING!?!?

All these people are above the law! A blind man can see all this!

Originally posted by Riffrafter
reply to post by weedwhacker

 

There is no camera footage WHATSOEVER of this event. Is it, therefore, a "reasonable" assumption that it did not happen?? What went down outside Pittsburgh that evening? Why were intact human bodies not seen at the crash site?

Um...excuse me. The building that was hit was the Pentagon. Not "somewhere outside of Pittsburgh".

THE PENTAGON.

Do you really expect people to believe that there is NO FOOTAGE of this building at that time?

And why does it take an FOIA request and judicial threats of contempt to get ANY pics or video at all released outside of the scant few frames that were released?

If there is nothing to hide - why are they hiding it?

I'm going to say it again....if there's nothing to hide, why are they hiding it?

You seem like a smart guy. Why are you not questioning this very simple fact?

I keep seeing posts like this. Questioning " why does it take an FOIA request " to get pics, video etc ?

Doesn't it ever occur to you that perps complicit in mass murder are unlikely to give a damn about FOIA requests to release anything ?

reply to post by randomname


To think the democrats or republicans had anything to do with this is rediculous. I dont mean to offend but perhaps your dont fully understand the shadow who is pulling the strings behind the US govt. To say that one political party had knowledge would be so far fetched I would almost think you are a disinfo agent sorry if your not.

Reading some of the replys after waking up to several feet of snow......

For those of you who believe in the OS or simply do not think anything other than an airliner hit the Pentagon, I respect your theory but it is no more factual than my theory that an airliner did not hit the building. The (911 Commission's Report is a fraud not to mention it disallowed some individuals and direct evidence to be subpoenaed, material witnesses who held contrasting opinions and statements were not called to testify. The reason is very clear, and that was the Bush administration did not wish the truth to be discovered and those people who were subpoenaed held only opinions and views that went along with the commission's directed path. That was to coordinate their findings to jive with the lies placed into the story line, i.e. Olsen's phone call and support the Pentagon's refusal to release any cam footage. In layman terms, if you have witnesses who back the story then why release any footage?

Answer is simple, to prevent the footage from being released because it shows other than what we have told!
The Senior Counsel for the 911 Commission below calls the report a lie. So who better to debunk the OS that that!!

Senior Counsel for 911 Commsission calls Report A Lie

reply to post by network dude


Sure, that would be reasonable. However, that is not the case with the Pentagon. There were two, typical government, POS cameras with basically they same point of view. All the crap about "85 cameras", is just that...crap.

reply to post by vipertech0596


Perhaps you need to perform some research and seek the facts rather than the typical superfluous skepticism based rhetoric.

The FBI is withholding at least another 84 surveillance tapes that were seized in the immediate aftermath of the attack on the Pentagon.
There is an ongoing lawsuit to get these tapes released via the Freedom of Information Act.

Source: Prison Plant & My own research into how many camera the FBI has confiscated.

reply to post by mikelee


No, Mike, he does not call the Commission Report a lie. Mr. Farmer has said on numerous accountings that the Commission Report is an accurate document. What he refers to as a "lie" was the stories of how efficient the government reacted that day, when the testimony and documents showed that our response was a confused cluster.

reply to post by mikelee


Ah yes, Prison Planet, that bastion of facts. All of the tapes were reviewed, the ones that had absolutely ANY images dealing with Flight 77 were released long ago...and NONE of them gave a clear view of the jet. This issue was resolved long ago. Its only research-challenged individuals that continue to prattle on about "the FBI is holding 85 tapes of the Pentagon"

reply to post by vipertech0596


Mr. Farmer calls the report in no uncertain terms fraudulent and a lie. I have his book in front of me. I have also had John sign it and speaking with him he stated to me that the commission was denied a vast amount of information including camera footage from the Pentagon, statements from witnesses who stated they saw no aircraft hot the building, they were not allowed to subpoena people who held dissenting views.

Your wrong, give it up and go back to the rabbit hole.

reply to post by vipertech0596


It is also on the FBI archive list if you care about the facts at all. Which obviously you do not. This has also been in the MSM if that makes you feel warm and fuzzy.

reply to post by mikelee

The third time I've posted the list in a week, but just for you, here it is again (courtesy of an FOIA requiest by Scott Bingham):

13 videos were obtained by the Defense Protective Services (DPS) - Pentagon Police - on 9/25/2001 from individual filming Pentagon site from Boundary Channel Drive. These included footage from the WTC site in the days after the attcks.

One (1) Beta video tape - interviews in NYC
One (1) DVCAM tape labeled "Twin Towers, World Trade Center" - NYC/WTC
One (1) DVCAM tape - suburban setting, unknown individuals, dated 9/12-13
One (1) DVCAM tape - NYC/WTC, 9/21-22
One (1) DVCAM tape - NYC/WTC, 9/22-23
One (1) DVCAM tape - NYC 9/23
One (1) DVCAM tape - interviews in NYC; 10 seconds of Pentagon footage, but not crash site
One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information
One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information
One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information
One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information
One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information
One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information

8 videos were received on 10/11/2001 at Quantico. These videos were collected during consent search of residence in Avanel, New Jersey. Pending case on subject.

One (1) damaged Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape

Videos received on 10/15/2001 at Quantico. These videos were collected from surveillance cameras at multiple Kinko's in South Florida.

One (1) TDK 1-160 VHS video tape
One (1) VHS video tape
One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape
One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape
One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape
One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape
One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape
One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape
Video received on 10/22/2001 at Quantico. This video was recovered from garbage at residenced in Neenah, Wisconsin by the Neenah Police Department. Investigation on suspect has been closed.

One (1) damaged VHS video tape and housing
Received at Washington Field Office Command Post

These two video tapes included footage of post-crash Pentagon crime scene taken by DOD media pool photographers, and were obtained from Navy Rear Admiral Craig Quigley.

One (1) Betacam BCT-30G video cassette, labeled "1 of 2" & "early 6pm 9/11/01"
One (1) Betacam BCT-30G video cassette, labeled "2 of 2" & "early pm 9/11/01"
Also received at the Washington Field Office Command Post:

One (1) VHS video cassette - witness interviews near Pentagon after the attack
One (1) VHS video cassette, labeled "9/11/2001" - footage of post Pentagon crime scene, obtained from Chief Mastin, Prince William County
One (1) TDK Hi8 MP 120 video casette, wrapped in Pentagon map and labeled on back "1/29/1952 Mohan Shresesa 8/2/2018 Todoroki Japan 9/17/01 3:00 hr Fern/So. Rotary" - Home video taken from car, dated 9/17/2001,showing post-crash Pentagon crime scene very briefly from road (~10 seconds)
One (1) FujiFilm DP121 video cassette, labeled "WJLA-TV" - miscellaneous footage from news reporter, dated 9/18/2001
One (1) Sony MP120 8mm video cassette - Home video, DC sightseeing
One (1) TDK HG Ultimate TC-30 video cassette - Home video, unknown date, showing brief footage of Pentagon (not crash site)
One (1) Maxell DVM60SE mini digital video cassette - Home video, dated 9/17/2001, showing brief footage of Pentagon (not crash site)
One (1) Sony Hi8 video cassette - Home video obtained by DPS on 9/11/2001 showing ~6 seconds of Pentagon footage (not crash site)
One (1) TDK Hi8 MP 120 video cassette - Home video obtained by DPS on 9/21/2001, showing post-crash Pentagon crime scene
One (1) JVC MP120 8mm video cassette - Home video obtained by DPS on 9/21/2001, showing brief footage of Pentagon (not crash site)
Videos filmed on 9/26/2001 by FBI Forensic Audio-Visual Analysis Unit (FAVIAU) of post-crash Pentagon crime scene.

One (1) original SONY 40 min. Digital Betacam video tape
One (1) original SONY 40 min. Digital Betacam video tape
Videos submitted to FBI Laboratory in Quantico, Virginia, under cover of communication dated 2/19/2002, all depicting WTC footage.

One (1) Betacam video tape
One (1) HDCAM video tape
One (1) Betacam SP video tape
One (1) Betacam SP video tape
One (1) Mini DV video tape maked in part Antonio M.
One (1) DVC PRO video tape
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1056 COPY 5A of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1056 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1471 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1788 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1729 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1808 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1813 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B530 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B729 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1563 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1051 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1787 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B2406 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1276 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "CNN RE: BURN VICTIM..."
One VHS video tape marked in part "NIGHTLINE 2/15/2002"
Videos submitted to FBI Laboratory, Quantico, under communication dated 5/13/2002.

One (1) Sony SDX1-25C video tape
One (1) Sony SDX1-25C video tape
One (1) TDK 8mm video tape
Video obtained by FBI on 9/28/2001 and submitted to FBI Laboratory, Quantico on 5/28/2002. Home video filmed on 9/11/2001 showing footage of WTC after attacks, obtained by Suffolk County, New York Police Department.

One Hi 8mm video cassette tape from Eileen McMahon
Video obtained by FBI on 9/13/2001 and submitted to FBI Laboratory, Quantico on 5/28/2002. Home video filmed on 9/11/2001 showing footage of second plane hitting WTC and aftermath.

One Mini DV 60 video cassette tape
Video submitted to FBI Laboratory, Quantico under cover of communication dated 9/22/2001. Obtained by FBI NK from Dime Savings Bank, Nutley, New Jersey

One TDK T-160 VHS video tape
Home video filmed on 9/11/2001 by NBC4 Washington reporter, with footage of post-crash Pentagon crime scene shortly after attack. Provided to FBI on 9/12/2001.

One (1) home Video of the terrorist attack on the Pentagon.
Video from DEA HQ security camera atop 700 Army Navy Drive, Arlington, VA. Camera repositioned after attack to show post-crash footage of Pentagon. Provided to FBI on 9/12/2001.

One (1) videotape
Home video filmed on 9/11/2001 by tourist traveling past Pentagon and then by AP photographer who borrowed the camera. Footage of post-crash Pentagon crime scene shortly after attack. Provided to FBI on 9/12/2001.

One (1) videotape
Copy of home video filmed on 9/11/2001 by AP photographer using camera borrowed from nearby motorist. Footage of post-crash Pentagon crime scene shortly after attack. Provided to FBI on 9/12/2001.

One (1) duplicate video cassette tape dated 9/11/01
Video from cameras at Reagan National Airport parking garage. Both video files show smoke in the distance coming from direction of Pentagon. Obtained by FBI on 9/13/2001.

One (1) CD containing 2 video files
Video from security camera at Citgo Gas Station, 801 S. Joyce Street, Arlington, Virginia. Submitted to FAVIAU to determine if video showed impact of plane into Pentagon. Determined not to show impact. Obtained by FBI on 9/11/2001.

One (1) JVC EHG Hi-Fi videocassette, labeled Day 11 Quarters K
Video from security camera at Doubletree Hotel, 300 Army Navy Drive, Arlington, Virginia. Security video showing rotating footage from different camera locations at hotel; no camera captures impact of plane into Pentagon.

One (1) TDK video tape marked "11C"
Images captured by two separate cameras at the entrance to the Pentagon Mall Terrace parkinng lot. Images capture the impact of the plane into the Pentagon from two different cameras. Obtained from the Pentagon Force Protection Agency via USA/EDVA.

One (1) CD-ROM

web.archive.org...://flight77.info/85videos.html

reply to post by mikelee


Did you not, quite recently on this forum, have a vision on the road to Damascus to the effect that AA 77 impacted the Pentagon ?

You now seem to have sunk back into the truther quagmire. Any reason we should take note of someone who flops from one to the other ?

reply to post by mikelee

Incidently, I too have his book sitting right on my bookshelf. Why don't you tell me the page & paragraph where he says the whole 9/11 Commission Report is a fraud and a lie?

reply to post by mikelee


Ah yes, Prison Planet, that bastion of facts. All of the tapes were reviewed, the ones that had absolutely ANY images dealing with Flight 77 were released long ago...and NONE of them gave a clear view of the jet. This issue was resolved long ago. Its only research-challenged individuals that continue to prattle on about "the FBI is holding 85 tapes of the Pentagon"

Lets not forget that the Gov did indeed confiscate footage some of which was released later or so we are told. So right from the get go, they were careful about what was filmed. If they weren't hiding anything why would they go around looking for such footage and not releasing it right away? So they are hiding something.

Next, there are cameras all over the Pentagon, Michael Moore mentioned seeing them previous to the event and he thought it odd that not one of those cameras caught the event.

The skeptics try and argue that the cameras are not equipped to capture such a fast moving target. That would mean that the Pentagon only had cameras that would be good to capture a robbery at an instant bank machine! I mean, that is ridiculous.

The sharp eyewitness contradictions as to the approach of the Plane, the immediate "hole" that seemed to small, the lack of any visual record of the event, with the only one being "leaked" that showed nothing. It just seems that there is something that "Stinks in Denmark" and the Gov has a lot to answer for.