Pentagon - No camera footage = No plane. A reasonable assumption.

reply to post by mikelee


The thread title's a fallacy.

Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by backinblack

 

Well, mate, that must be one hell of big purse she carries. Or maybe you dont understand that the majority of the wreckage ended up inside the building...

How?? The hole wasn't that big..
Most of the fuselage, all of the wings, tail and engines remained outside..

Or so the story goes..

reply to post by tommyjo


Mate, them photos combined din't show enough debris to build a decent go kart...

Where's the frikin wings, tail and engines.??????

You know, the TONS of debris...

Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by Malcram

 

No, it's not an accusation to ask someone to provide all the tapes.

It's simply allowing for the fact that people do sometimes lie or distort the facts.

So, you're accusing them of lying.

That's the basis of your conspiracy - everyone is lying.

And I guess that should be the reason for a new investigation - because everyone is lying because what they are saying contradicts your conspiracy.

Yes, most are lying. The rest were just duped or in denial.

but the reason for a new investigation is because there's overwhelming evidence, facts and science that contradict the OS.

Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by Malcram

 

How come you don't understand the difference between stating something as a possibility and stating it as a certainty?

Because your hypothetical is not being presented in a vacuum without any predecessor activity. They were asked the specific question - by a court of law and respondes, in writing to the specific question saying, and I am paraphrasing here, "We looked at all the tapes and here are the ones that show anything relative to the approach and impact of Flight 77".

Now you want to look at all the same tapes because you think they MAY BE lying. Well, spin it any way you want, you are accusing them of lying. That is the basis of your entire argument. Everyone who says something that contradcits your POV is lying.

and yet you blindly accept and believe the OS even with overwhelming facts and evidence exposing it as a farce or at the least questions unanswered you can't logically answer and unexplainable contradictions you can't explain which you find nothing suspect with.

Its your type of blind-faith mind-set which perpetuates ignorance and allows the evil committed on 9/11, to flourish.

Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by xavi1000

 

They've already said they released all the tapes relative to 9/11, Flight 77, the impact, etc. In a court affadavit. By demanding to review all Pentagon recordings for that date you are calling them liars. There is no getting away from that. You, by your demand are accusing someone of perjury.

So don't try and play innocent. The question was asked, to a court, in writing, and response given accordingly. You are saying that response is a lie.

and they are LYING...

and yes they are LIARS or obstructing justice at the very least when demands and foia requests have been made but continue to be denied... the only reason such requests are being denied is because they have something to hide.

circumstancial evidence alone implicates these government (PERP) employees, as liars or co-conspirators.

reply to post by lord9


Ahh how they carry on..

FACT..
Bush refused to give evidence under oath or alone...

That MUST say a lot...

The President REFUSED to do what is expected of any average citizen..!!!

reply to post by randomname


It's the Democrats?HAHAHA.Are you serious?Dude,everything about 9/11 points to the republicans.It was Gov. George Pataki,Christina Todd Whitman & other NY republicans that pushed for the privitization of the WTC.(Pataki & Silverstein are longtime friends).Marvin Bush handled WTC security & insurance.Bush Sr cut back delay periods for weapons sells.Bush Jr hired one of his best friends,Joe Allbaugh,to run FEMA & passed laws to put FEMA in charge of handling terrorist attack sites.The Bush Admin blocked an investigation & hired a bunch of weapons dealers to make foreign policy.The Bushes & Bin Laden's are close business buddies.Pataki,Silverstein,Guiliani,Roland Betts,Charles Gargano,and other NY Neo-Cons control the 9/11 related funding.And the list goes on & on.

And the Dems being in power would be the fall of the Republic?Really?Dude,what planet are you on?The GOP is horrible.Everytime they get in power,the country goes to #.Reagan years = Recession & Iran Contra & Crack epidemic.Bush Sr = Crack epidemic & recession & war.Bush = 9/11,Depression,Mortgage Crisis,Hurricane Katrina,Perpetual war on terror,record breaking oil prices,Patriot Act,etc,etc,etc,.

Get real man.

reply to post by backinblack


Parts of the tail section and engines were found. Engine wreckage was also found. Have you not seen the images of the engine wrecks? As already pointed out many have tried and failed to identify them in order to prove that it is not 757 wreckage.

T. Carter also saw tail wreckage and engine wreckage. Do you think that she is lying?

At the pentagon, she recognized the tail section of AA 77 that she had flown on many times, as she walked past it. The tail was on the grass ....,

Read the full report at the link. T. Carter also saw engine wreckage.

911blogger.com...

TJ

reply to post by tommyjo
Well, we got to 34 pages this time before the team of bad guys ruined the thread. We'll just start another and continue to spread the good news that truth will win in the end. Your motivation no longer concerns me. You resources are limited. Lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig.

Originally posted by tommyjo
Parts of the tail section... were found

Where?

reply to post by RustyShakleford92


has anyone ever been to the pentagon? it is enormous .
a missle would not have done this much damage. a missle would not have knocked down poles as it came in. a missle theory contradicts the massive amount of evidence that it was a plane.

this is like saying that i walked over to my wall, punched it and put a hole in the wall and then the building collapsed.

instead you could say i drove an Abrams A-1 tank into the wall and the building collapsed.
this make a lot more sense.

the point being a missle could not have done. besides how many missles do you know that are that large that could fly parallel to the ground? the only one that could have done something like this would have been a MOAB. the problem is the MOAB has no propulsion system. it is GPS guided and strikes coming down.

the only missles that fly on a parrallel path are from fighter jets and these do not have enough power to cause this damage

here are some other good pictures

www.oilempire.us...

www.criticalthrash.com...

the link below confirms a reporter observing the plane hitting the pentagon

www.liveleak.com...

reply to post by surfnow2


Good stuff surfnow2.

I know it wasn't a missile, but so many people claim it was, or something related.

And yes, the wittnesses... many people saw a plane....

it was flight 77

reply to post by RustyShakleford92


before i started commenting on these postings i wanted to research independently and see what i found.
i listened to both sides.
the conclusion i came up with is the plane hit the building. i was at the pentagon today trying to visualize
a plane and a missle. the building is huge.
i have no doubt a plane hit the building

reply to post by surfnow2


Yes. This is what is sorely needed.....

i was at the pentagon today trying to visualize...

Instead, there are hours and hours wasted, and trillions of bits of computer data wasted, by people writing nonsense who have never even physically seen the Pentagon with their own eyes!

It is frustrating, trying to explain to those who are so easily swayed by the bogus claims, as evidenced by this, and many other ATS threads...not to mention hundreds of other Internet sources.

An actual trip to the area, and people will understand. Seeing it for yourself, and people will understand. Reading some actual books, credible accounts set down for posterity, and people will begin to comprehend.

The rest of the garbage on the Internet is mostly complete nonsense........

reply to post by weedwhacker

An actual trip to the area, and people will understand. Seeing it for yourself, and people will understand. Reading some actual books, credible accounts set down for posterity, and people will begin to comprehend.

The rest of the garbage on the Internet is mostly complete nonsense........

Many that don't share your view have also been to the site and written books etc..

But as usual, anything that differs from YOUR opinion is called "nonsense" by you Weed..

Originally posted by backinblack

How?? The hole wasn't that big..
Most of the fuselage, all of the wings, tail and engines remained outside..

Or so the story goes..

According to whom? The truthers? Yeah, they are wrong. Most of the fuselage was inside, along with the engines, and some of the wings. Geeze where do you pick this tripe up??

Originally posted by GenRadek
Most of the fuselage was inside, along with the engines, and some of the wings.

You know, what a coincidence that in all four "plane crashes," they all enveloped in their targets where most of their evidence would be hidden. Hmmm.