Could it be that I never made it out of the Hospital

Hi all. I posted this a while back (about 2 years ago) and I want to see if anyone else can help.
Quick story. I was hospitalized 2008 January. It was extremely traumatic and I was there for 2 weeks. 6 months recovery. While I was lying in bed I realized many things. When I came out my life was changed. Good and bad.
But I need your input good friends.

Could I have died in there? Could I still be in there, like I will wake up still in there? See what I mean..it all seems very not so real after that. I have a masters in psychology and understand what trauma can do and bla bla bla.
But its just odd. I used to Lucid Dream a lot and still do, this all feels different.
Anyone help me out, anyone have experience like this.

BTW- illuminati=extension of nature (search this for my WAY OLD post)

reply to post by MrJelly


If you are dead then it means that I am dead and I have no reason to suspect myself to be dead, so this counters your position effectively.

Also, if you are still in the hospital and are imagining all of this then your mind has highly over detailed the world that you have created for yourself. I have a lifetime (44 years) worth of memory and experience. This would not be required for any secondary character in any script. Especially not a character that, by this theory, simply exists to write these short words into a text screen.

So, in summary, no. You survived and left the hospital.

~Heff

Hello MrJelly.
Do you have any specific examples of how your life or the world feels different?
I do not believe you are dead or unconscious in a hospital.
Hefficide pretty much summed up the logic ( Nice post Hefficide!).
My life is far too complex to be a sovereign experience of your mind. My life is criss-crossed with a multitude of other individuals that I perceive as sovereign lives. It is not logical or rational that my life and the lives of the many people I have met are figments of your imagination.
I feel confident to say the life you are currently experiencing is in fact your real, physical life.


Is this the thread you were talking about; The illuminati=extension of Nature?
I read the OP just now, what was the significance of you referencing it?

reply to post by MrJelly


I often get the feeling that i died many times and the me here is just a "what if i lived" scenario or a mercy life from wrongful death.

Well, the idea of parallel universes or "multiverses" is relatively popular nowadays- this could be one possible "explanation". In theory, some scientists believe it possible, because of our ideas on string theory. We can't prove this, though. At the end of the day, it makes no difference, there's nothing you can do to change it and it's not worth worrying about.

There was another thread a while ago,from a member he had the same feeling.
Sometimes life feels like a dream.Nothing seems real and/or impossible things come to happen.That doesn't mean you are dead.
I feel that sometimes and i'm very much alive(at least i think i am )

Anyway i read a book lately about time,other dimensions and alternetive universes.So along with the book i did a little search on the net.It might sound a little new age and a lot of crazy,but there is a theory that some people for an instant can live in two or more universes at the same time or see those universes.
I don't know what "symptoms" do you have but you are not dead or crazy.

Becoming a multidimensional being

Multidimensionality

To be honest i like the idea and i will do more research on the subject,when i have the time.
It would be helpful to give some more details on the subject.

Maybe we are all dead... Maybe life was never real... Maybe you don't exist and I am dreaming. The mystery of life (and death) continues...

reply to post by Hefficide


But how can any of that be proven? It's good in theory, but he does not know for sure that you're not just an elaborate hallucination.

For the longest time I was convinced I lived in The Truman Show. Well, a variation of the idea. I also quite frequently wonder if I died in one of my many near death accidents (I don't have much regard for personal safety, especially when you throw anything with a motor and wheels into the mix). Maybe I did and just picked up as if nothing happened in another time and place yet in the same time and place (parallel blahblahwhatever).

Also, becoming multi-dimensional sounds quite a bit like having severe GAD.

Sorry I did not contribute anything OP, I'm at the tail end of a 12 hour shift on 2 hours of sleep and I was surprised anyone had the same kind of thought as me.

Edit to add: "Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. That we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather." from the Tool track Third Eye

Mr. Jelly....let's shake, rattle and roll...believe me...you are not dead. Go ahead...pinch yourself
and pinch hard...you feel that? Good.

One thing I have learned, try not over analyze your life...go with the flow...and enjoy every day.
Been where you have described...could give you a U2U if you want more information. Just
let me know.

Things will get better.

reply to post by Magnivea


If anything my ego leads me to believe that the OP is MY hallucination. As would be the same for us all. By releasing ego and accepting that others must have substance, just as we do, such illusions as these melt away. I know that I possess depth and must conclude that others do as well.

If the OP truly does believe that he/she is the core of this imagined universe then it is less a statement of a logically active mind and more indicative of a damaged ego seeking reinforcement in irrational beliefs.

~Heff

Originally posted by Magnivea
reply to post by Hefficide

 

But how can any of that be proven? It's good in theory, but he does not know for sure that you're not just an elaborate hallucination.

For the longest time I was convinced I lived in The Truman Show. Well, a variation of the idea. I also quite frequently wonder if I died in one of my many near death accidents (I don't have much regard for personal safety, especially when you throw anything with a motor and wheels into the mix). Maybe I did and just picked up as if nothing happened in another time and place yet in the same time and place (parallel blahblahwhatever).

Also, becoming multi-dimensional sounds quite a bit like having severe GAD.

Sorry I did not contribute anything OP, I'm at the tail end of a 12 hour shift on 2 hours of sleep and I was surprised anyone had the same kind of thought as me.

Edit to add: "Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. That we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather." from the Tool track Third Eye

edit on 12/24/10 by Magnivea because: addition

Being multi-dimensional, how cool would that be....I bet it could be done...

BTW: got to love Maynard...he does have the talent to touch on the important things, eh?

reply to post by MrJelly


Don't listen to hefficide. He might be biased....

....You see, if we are all characters in your mind, we have a vested interest in keeping you dreaming.

Just saying.

reply to post by Exuberant1


Which means you are also a figment presented to counter my arguments which leaves the OP to ponder, which one of us actually represents his or her best interests. Now all that is achieved is an even more damaged id/ego with even less direction and focus than it originally had.

If I am a figment, at least I am one that represents analytical process and deduction.

~Heff

Everyone goes thew changes in life. I am wondering, if
some strong medicines, have changed you in some sort of way?

reply to post by Hefficide


You are representative of the Id. You don't want him to wake up, or even consider the possibility of doing so. You are having too much fun, admit it.

But I am the SuperEgo's representative and I think it is important for me to point out what you may or may not be up to. It is also important for him to consider the moral ramifications of waking up - we will all cease to exist. The universe we live in will be annihilated in an instant.

Still though, we cannot expect him to live his whole life in a dream. It just isn't right.


*If a dream is what this is...

reply to post by Exuberant1


You undermine your own argument with the assignment of archetypal superiority. The imagined would simply be the imagined and would not require hierarchy to achieve the goal of an illusory or immersive reality.

The imagined has no value, not even to the dreamer. All value is implied by the dreamers psyche and would be nothing more than representations of a reality that is being avoided. Shadows instead of substance. If the OP is dreaming then a valuation of us, a beings, would be irrational and unnecessary as we only would exist to ferment his/her own delusions.

Thus waking would not be a destructive act at all - as there is nothing here to destroy.

~Heff

Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by Exuberant1

 

Thus waking would not be a destructive act at all - as there is nothing here to destroy.

That is a something that MrJelly will have to decide.

Originally posted by MrJelly
Anyone help me out, anyone have experience like this.

I have, briefly, but realized that trying to sort it out would likely lead to madness, and, if it were true, it would work itself out eventually anyway.

Subsequently, though, I thought of a proof that can dispel a nagging feeling of "what if I'm dreaming all of this?"

Go to the library. Select a book at random, doesn't matter what it is. Begin to read it. You might be able to dream the library, might be able to dream shelves of books, might be able to dream one specific book. But can you dream the content of that book?

If you are a writer, and you think that you could, set that book aside and find another. Find a technical book, a book on science, a book in another language. Eventually you will reconcile yourself to the fact that you could not be dreaming the contents of books on subjects you don't understand, or in other languages, or simply the sheer volume of the works.

I believe I already wrote this on your other thread, but ever since 9/11 I haven't been sure about what's "real" anymore. It was just like you said, a momentary shifting of realities, after which I was left dazed and confused, and ever since reality has never felt totally "real" to me.

To make a long story short, I was on the road with my husband, who back then drove a long-haul truck, and we were supposed to drop off a car in Boston that day. We'd slept in the truck in some parking lot and when we woke up and switched on the radio, we heard Howard Stern breathlessly talking about the WTC attacks. I didn't really feel terror nor was I horrified -- it was all very surreal, like in a dream. Then we went to a diner to have breakfast, and all the customers were just glued to the TV watching what was happening. We went back to the truck and I felt drowsy, so I said to my husband I'd take a nap.

I dreamed that we woke up in the truck that morning, switched on the radio, listened to some music, had breakfast in the diner, came back to the truck, I went to take a nap... a totally ordinary day.

When I woke up, I said to my husband, "You know, I had the craziest dream -- I dreamed that the World Trade Center was being attacked." Then I realized that THAT was the REALITY and the totally ordinary morning had been the DREAM. I was so confused, I can't really describe it. That feeling lasted for hours afterwards.

Ever since that day, I feel like that ordinary morning was what SHOULD have happened, and that somehow I slipped into an alternative reality, a parallel dimension if you will. It still feels that way after ten years. Weird, huh?

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by MrJelly
Anyone help me out, anyone have experience like this.

I have, briefly, but realized that trying to sort it out would likely lead to madness, and, if it were true, it would work itself out eventually anyway.

Subsequently, though, I thought of a proof that can dispel a nagging feeling of "what if I'm dreaming all of this?"

Go to the library. Select a book at random, doesn't matter what it is. Begin to read it. You might be able to dream the library, might be able to dream shelves of books, might be able to dream one specific book. But can you dream the content of that book?

Oh Gosh, that is SO easy. I have that all the time when I read at bedtime. I usually read until my eyes fall shut, then I use the last of my waking consciousness to switch off the light and am out as soon as my head hits the pillow again. It has happened quite often that I'm reading the book, especially novels, and the story keeps going -- but all of a sudden I realize that my eyes are closed... and have been for a while. Yet I'm still seeing the pages and read the story, and it's a story that makes sense and seems to be the logical continuation of what I've been actually reading. Happens at least once a week.