Man-Eating Giants Discovered in Nevada Cave?

Originally posted by stirling
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And a story of an underground city rich in artifacts, that has openings high up overlooking death valley,in the cliff walls.They are supposed to resemble old stone warves,,,found by two prospectors...

The area around Death Valley Calif )is my stomping grounds and i never heard of that story.
I also know members of the native American tribe(Timbisha Shoshone) that lives in that area and have never heard that story from them.

Originally posted by RedHarvest
I grew up in Northern NV and actually heard this story from a Paiute medicine man. The story he told me had a little more detail than the OP's. He told me this tribe, he referred to them as the "Red Indians" used to terrorize the people through out Northern Nevada. The "Red Indians" where giants he said average 12 feet tall or so with red hair or as he put it "Covered in a fine red hair". He also made it clear these giants where not Humans.They would periodically raid Paiute and Shoshoni villages kidnapping mostly women and children while the men where hunting or engaged in similar activities away from home. The giants would eat the captives.

That sounds much more like Bigfoot. Now that is a legion i could believe .


I know that the area in northern and central Nevada 9000+ years ago looks nothing like it does today.
There was a large lake that covered Nevada Lake Lahontan and the barren mountains in and around the dry lake beds of today were heavy pine forest. Some what like 1000 lakes area of Minnesota.
and there were active volcanos in this lake as i have found a couple areas of Pillow lava(a type of lava formed underwater) along the road between Fernley NV and Gerlach NV(state road 447)
en.wikipedia.org...:Wpdms_shdrlfi020l_lake_lahontan_b.jpg
en.wikipedia.org...

I don't off hand remember the elevation on the mountains around and in the ancient Lake Lahontan but you can look it up and there are many caves washed out by wave action and as the water levels dropped because the Humboldt river cut its canyon deeper there are numerous village sites around the shore of this ancient lake.i spent weeks hiking and looking for artifacts back 40 years ago before it became illegal to do.
I still have the one Black Rock Crescent arrowheads i found.
www.arrowheads.com...
These are always found in the area with Clovis Culture points so you can guess there age is 9000+ BP

Originally posted by JohhnyBGood
So you 'agree' with the Wickileak article where some author

" suggests that the 'giant' interpretation of the skeletons from Lovelock Cave and other dry caves in Nevada was started by entrpreneurs setting up tourist displays"

In fact, yes. This was the "Age of Tourism" and sideshows. If you visit Hot Springs, Arkansas (or some of the other towns popular during that time) and talk to the historians, you will find that many of the towns had "paid shills" who traveled the railroads and talked up the features of the town. This is where a number of modern legends come from (the "rainbow woman" of Hot Springs is just one of those.)

This was also the age of the pulp magazines such as "Old West", and anyone who could write up a good story could sell it to these magazines. A lot of created "lost mine" stories come from this era.

The bones from Lovelock are still around, and they aren't giant.

As for the rest of your post - it amounts to 'some Archeologists turned up and took everything away' - afterwards they showed some non-controversial stuff!

The FIRST thing any archaeologist shows off is the "Really Weird Stuff." There's no glamor or glory or invitations to speak (or possible jobs) if you show up, dig, and turn up plant fiber and arrowheads. You might get a job if you do a really good research project, but nobody except other archaeologists will care.

Now, turn up some genuine pre-Clovis material (the Brazoria woman -- and the fact that she was "pre-Clovis" was VERY controversial and caused a huge uproar) or something unusual, and you get fame and funding and a lot of other perks. If they'd turned up a group of giants, it would have been all over the news and the dig reports.

How about the jaw-bone, has that ever been analysed?

I don't know -- the article lets you assume that it was a real jawbone from the cave, but the mummy picture isn't from the cave (no mummy was found there) and the drawing certainly wasn't from the cave.

* Where did that picture come from?
* There's nothing in the picture that shows scale -- how large IS that dental impression, anyway?
* What other evidence is there (photos, catalogs, etc) that show it's real and that it came from Lovelock?

What about the reports of early navigators - do you suppose they made all that up for fun?

Which ones? The cave artifacts were found by guano miners within the past 120 years. Early navigators didn't hear such tales.

Originally posted by JohhnyBGood


Which ones? The cave artifacts were found by guano miners within the past 120 years. Early navigators didn't hear such tales.

These ones posted earlier.

Seems these thing have quite a recorded history, there are even skeletal remains available - someone is supressing the knowledge of this as with so much of archeology.


We are also reminded that some of the first explorers to the Americas reported seeing giants themselves:

The first chronicled sighting occurred in 1520, when the Portuguese explorer Magellan anchored his ships in the harbour of San Julian. On going ashore, he and his crew encountered a giant of a man, nearly ten feet tall and with the 'voice like a bull'. Enquiries suggested that he belonged to a tribe of giants who lived nearby. Magellan and his men apparently captured two specimens, intending to take them back to Europe. He shipped them aboard and set sail, but they died before the return journey was completed. (1)

Sir Francis Drake, who passed through San Julian in 1578, mentions that he saw two men who stood nine feet tall, and in the years that followed similar reports were made by other explorers such as Pedro Sarmiento, Tome Hernandez, Anthony Knyvet and Sebald de Weert all claim to have laid eyes on the South American giants. (1)

In 1615, two more travellers, Jacob le Maire and Wilhelm Schouten, recorded the fact that they had discovered a pair of human skeletons, each nine feet in length. (1)

By 1700, the giants seemed to have moved away from San Julian, and the next official record places them at Valdivia, Chile. In 1712, the Spanish authorities there filed repeated reports of a race of giants living in the wild interior, not many miles from the town. (1)

The last sighting seems to have taken place in 1764, when Commodore Byron, grandfather of famous poet, saw them at Cabo Virgines. (1)

www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk...

Well this is a fascinating subject - never given it a moments thought before, just assumed it was all exagerated legend etc - but a few google searches and historical reports of these things are turning up all over the place - hundreds and hundreds of them!

Some Notable Examples Worldwide
♦ One of the most fascinating cases of giants in U. S. history are the Smithsonian Giants. During the genocidal conquest of the indigenous peoples of North America, the United States Calvary and hired mercenaries encountered giants living among the tribes, and engaged in direct combat with them. The mindset used to justify the wholesale slaughter of many, and forced relocation of the rest of these tribes, was that they were sub-human; their darker skin being a key to this gross misconception. The giants they encountered and killed were red-headed with white skin. Fearing a backlash from the American people for killing whites, giants or not, the government ordered that all bodies of these giants be retrieved and shipped to the Smithsonian Institute, to hide the damaging evidence. We have no idea if those bodies were ever disposed of, but there is sufficient evidence available from the Smithsonian officials and documentation of the time to believe this actually occurred.


♦ In China, archaeologists have found some of the earliest skeletal remains of giants, as much as fifteen feet tall. Melchior Nunnez, in his letters from India, vouches for the fact that some five hundred giants were used as archers to guard the gates of Peking. George Hakewill, in his Apologie, written in 1627, issued a similar report.

♦ A skeleton found in 1692 in a tomb near Angers, France, measured seventeen-feet, four-inches. And, in his "De Gigantibus", Joh Cassanio speaks of a giant in Bordeaux, France that stood so tall, a man of ordinary size could walk between his legs. He states that Francis I of France (1494-1547) enlisted him as one of his guards.


www.hotspotsz.com...

many more examples here - you need to register - but it's completely free.

Seems like the Smithsonian has quite the reputation for stashing away and disposing of any inconvenient finds.
I know the NWO has done this with history via Toynbee, Milner etc - so it would only make sense that they would control Archeology as well. www.freedomforceinternational.org...



Holocaust of Giants:
The Great Smithsonian Cover-up
Noted Native American author and professor of law
emeritus, Vine Deloria, writes in a personal
communication:

It's probably better that so few of the ruins and
remains were tied in with the Smithsonian because they
give good reason to believe the ending of the Indiana
Jones movie-a great warehouse where the real secrets
of earth history are buried.

Modern day archaeology and anthropology have nearly
sealed the door on our imaginations, broadly
interpreting the North American past as devoid of
anything unusual in the way of great cultures
characterized by a people of unusual demeanor. The
great interloper of ancient burial grounds, the
nineteenth century Smithsonian Institution, created a
one-way portal, through which uncounted bones have
been spirited. This door and the contents of its vault
are virtually sealed off to any but government
officials. Among these bones may lay answers not even
sought by these officials concerning the deep past.

The first hint we had about the possible existence of
an actual race of tall, strong, and intellectually
sophisticated people, was in researching old township
and county records. Many of these were quoting from
old diaries and letters that were combined, for
posterity, in the 1800s from diaries going back to the
1700s. Says Vine in this understanding:

Some of these old county and regional history books
contain real gems because the people were not
subjected to a rigid indoctrination about evolution
and were astonished about what they found and honestly
reported it.


The title pages of the early county and pioneer
history books often included phrases like "CAREFULLY
WRITTEN AND COMPILED" and "LEST WE FORGET."


Some time before archaeology came to subscribe the
general public to its view of prehistory-generations
prior to Darwin's troublesome theory-the pioneers
thought that some of the earthworks were as ancient as
could be concurrent with human habitation in America.
Some among the early settlers exercised their pens
assured that the earthworks were not built by the
direct ancestry of the native people living in the
historical period, but rather were constructed in a
more remote era encompassing a different social order.
They compared the "Mound Builders," with the
"Indians," clearly discerning the former as belonging
to an earlier time-possessing a different fate or
destiny from the latter.

Evidence for the occupation of this region before the
appearance of the red man and the white race is to be
found in almost every part of the county, as well as
through the northwest generally. In removing the
gravel bluffs, which are numerous and deep, for the
construction and repair of roads, and in excavating
cellars, hundreds of human skeletons, some of them of
giant form, have been found. A citizen of Marion
County estimates that there were about as many human
skeletons in the knolls of Marion County as there are
white inhabitants at present!

The History of Marion County, Ohio
(complied from past accounts, published in 1883)

Mastodonic remains are occasionally unearthed, and,
from time to time, discoveries of the remains of
Indian settlements are indicated by the appearance of
gigantic skeletons, with the high cheek bones,
powerful jaws and massive frames peculiar of the red
man, who left these as the only record with which to
form a clew to the history of past ages.

The History of Brown County, Ohio
(complied from past accounts, published in 1883)


Group of Mounds in Brown County, Ohio.


She said also that three skeletons were found at the
mouth of the Paw Paw Creek many years later, while Nim
(Nimrod) Satterfield was justice of the peace. Jim
Dean and some men were digging for a bridge foundation
and found these bones at the lower end of the old
buffalo wallow. She thought it was Dr. Kidwell, of
Fairmont, who examined them and said they were very
old, perhaps thousands of years old. She said that
when the skeletons were exposed to the weather for a
few days, their bones turned black and began to
crumble, that Squire Satterfield had them buried in
the Joliffe graveyard (Rivesville). All these
skeletons, she said, were measured, and found to be
about eight feet long.

cont....................www.freerepublic.com...



A whole list of discoveries claimed to be covered up and 'lost' by the Smithsonian
www.onelight.com...

Search the net for "Egyptians in the Grand Canyon" from the early 1900's.

Basic story: Smithsonian sent archeologists, found cave high up a wall with steps going down in a canyon, huge swords, giant sacrophogi, huge rooms, hieroglyphics etc. Skeletons of huge people unknown.

Evidence turned in to Smithsonian in Washington disappeared, and to this day, no one in the area of the Grand Canyon is allowed in that particular area to investigate.

I'll ask the same question as before: "Where's the bones and artifacts?"

If you're talking about a race, they didn't just appear for a 20 year period. The tribe/race/group would have a home base, which means finding a lot of unusually large children, unusually large old people, and houses and so forth built for large scale people. There would be burial places all over and very large artifacts.

Where are the original documents that talk about these people?

A good sign of a hoax is that all the evidence is only seen by one or two people and then mysteriously disappears. The case of the "Smithsonian giants" is a pretty obvious one. The Army does a lot of communicating and traveled with a LOT of non-Army people, including families, prostitutes, gamblers, wagon drivers, blacksmiths, etc -- and every one of those had friends and families that they wrote to and spoke to. Kids would talk to other kids as they grew up.

There's just too many people there to keep something like that a secret.

Here is the story. Read it. It was from 1909 in the Phoenix Gazette.

www.xpeditionsmagazine.com...

Also its included in a large book I have on Explorers-Expeditions. Ill get and post its name later.

reply to post by mysterioustranger
The story was a minor hoax in 1909 that has grown into a popular story since the internet kicked off. There's barely a detail in the whole account that sounds plausible, but if that's how people like it, there's little to stop it continuing.

There was a thread earlier in the year...here. The Smithsonian has no record of the 'finding.'

Subject: Smithsonian Explorer -

Reply Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:09:36 -0400

From: "Smithsonian Information" To: [email protected] Jack Andrews Your online inquiry of May 17 has been received in this office for response. Staff in our Office of Smithsonian Archives advise that neither G.E. Kincaid nor S. A. Jordan were ever employed by the Smithsonian. Further, they have no proof that these people ever existed. These two names appear in an article published in the Phoenix Gazette on April 5, 1909 that alleges that G.E. Kincaid and S.A. Jordan were Smithsonian employees responsible for locating Egyptian temples in the Grand Canyon. Please note, however, that this story is untrue. The only records of G. E. Kincaid and S.A. Jordan in the Smithsonian Archives are the 1909 Phoenix Gazette newspaper article, from which this myth appears to have originated, inquiries regarding the story, and the Smithsonian Institution responses to those letters. Your interest in the Smithsonian Institution is appreciated. 3/95/

mysteriousarizona.com...

reply to post by Byrd


No need to keep it a secret when no one would believe it anyway, people see all kinds of creatures and most people never believe them.

A few 'crazies' talking about giant skeletons decennia ago wouldn't exactly blow any kind of cover.

reply to post by Stormdancer777


They're absolutly were Giants roaming the earth at one time. The Bible wasn't wrong in recording this fact. Mainstream Academia isn't everything it's suposed to be. It's obvious they hide the proof of all of this.
Get over it! Such is the world.

Byrd

Well what do you say to the many native american oral traditions. That just happen to back up all of these claims. Even ancient mythology can be sited as reinforcement IMO.

Originally posted by mysterioustranger
Search the net for "Egyptians in the Grand Canyon" from the early 1900's.

Basic story: Smithsonian sent archaeologists, found cave high up a wall with steps going down in a canyon, huge swords, giant sacrophogi, huge rooms, hieroglyphics etc. Skeletons of huge people unknown.

Evidence turned in to Smithsonian in Washington disappeared, and to this day, no one in the area of the Grand Canyon is allowed in that particular area to investigate.

except when you try to track the archaeologist by the names in the story you hit a dead end. no papers or other research or other sites seldom is the full name published, its usually just the last name with initials.

basic research into the story finds they are a load of BS

A simple google search of the names "Professor S.A. Jordan, Smithsonian Institute" or "Mr. Kincaid, archaeologists Smithsonian Institute", in the Egyptians in the Grand Canyon story will only loop you back to the many posting of this story..
even back then scientist published there research. there is no published research by these people on this story or ANY research papers published by them.

The records of the Smithsonian Institute are all in the archives just google "published papers Smithsonian Institute"
These names do not show up on ANY published papers.
siarchives.si.edu...
siarchives.si.edu...

Real people have paper trails.
People in hoax stories have none.

Do basic research on any story. Any reporter today will research the background of any source or they are likely to look like fools.

Jeez will that damm egyptians in the grand canyon story ever die?
It makes me laugh to think of the virtual army of egyptians that it would take to haul such a treasure half way around the world, going the short way, and then across the vast and varied landscape of the US gulf coast and southwest.
Not to mention the many tribal lands they would have had to cross and some of those tribes didnt take to strangers very well.

And that whole " restricted areas of the GC" is a riot, just get your back-country permit and you can go any where in the park you want.

And back to the subject at hand, I was wondering how long it was going to take for somebody to make the obvious link of the red furred giants to bigfoot.
In many native american stories the bigfoot is a carnivore, and it seems that the farther north you go the more carnivorous it is.

And in an article i read ,several years ago, the author was writing about who had populated north america and touched the anomolous "caucasoid" skeletons that have been found in various locations of the US, such as kenewick man, and a set of sites on the eastern side of the sierra.
At that site researchers found that people were living there 7-8k years ago and the oldest remains were of a taller and more "caucasian" people, but the youngest remains were more in line with those of the present native american tribes. But what they also found out was that the cultural items found remained consistant.
The types and styles of tools, the materials they used for clothing and such remained the same as the site was used through it history.

www.ancientamerican.com...

here's another story of red-haired giants in America

www.stevequayle.com...

This is an immpresive site - 30 yrs of research into reports of giants in history!

Boudicca, the Giant Queen When some Roman centurions plundered the estate of Prasutagus, king of the Iceni, and raped his two daughters, his giant red-haired widow, Queen Boudicca, grabbed a spear and led an uprising against their Roman overlords that became the bloodiest inflicted upon the Latins during their long occupation of Britain. The rebel-lion also cost the Celts eighty thousand of their own people. According to the Roman historian Dio Cassius, the Amazon-like queen was no beauty. "She was enormous of frame, terrifying of mien, and with a rough, shrill voice," he writes. "A great mass of bright red hair fell down to her knees; she wore a huge twisted torque of gold, and a tunic of many colors, over which was a thick mantle held by a brooch. When she grasped a spear, it was to strike fear into all who observed her."8 (See Caesar's Triumph over the Giants)

Machnow In 1882, at Charkow, Russia, a baby named Machnow was born. He eventually grew to a height of nine feet three inches and weighed three hundred and sixty pounds. Machnow thus became history's tallest man on record, with even the most conservative of British encyclopedias accepting the above figure as a true and accurate measurement. "From his wrist to the top of his second finger," reports the February 10, 1905, issue of The Times, "he measured 2 ft." The Russian giant exhibited in London, the United States, Germany, Holland, and elsewhere.2

AEnotherus In his Annals of Bavaria, Aventine writes that a giant named Ænotherus, who threw down whole battalions like mowing grass, fought on the Emperor Charlemagne's side. The huge warrior hailed from Turgan, near the Lake of Constance. (See Charlemagne) Allia, Battle of At the little river Allia, in 387 B.C., the Senone giants put the proud Roman army to a hasty, humiliating flight. Upon hearing the news of the defeat, practically the entire population of Rome fled the city. Shortly afterward, the revengeful giants burned Rome to the ground. (See Rome vs Senone Giants) Angers' Giant A skeleton found in 1692 in a tomb near Angers, France, measured seventeen feet four inches. (See Graveyards of the Giants)

reply to post by JohhnyBGood


Yea, that was interesting I hadn't seem many of those pictures, some looked like they had that pituitary tumor but others didn't.

Originally posted by GenerationXisMarching
reply to post by cluckerspud

 

hahahahaha. those silly mutant vikings, tryin to mess with those lil native americans. at least thats what they may be. personally, i think we know of about 70% of most species, and i think ther ones we will find most interesting are going to be deep undetrground or undersea. who knows, they may have been atlantean survivors, or past societies remnants. i know if we genetically modified ourselves to hulk-status, it would be a legend in a millenium, when they were increasingly rare/being forced away by the advancing of western society

local warriors would go hunt the "mutant" humans and the villiages would write fantastic stories about them, and call them ogres, and trolls, and cyclops, and titans. oh wait, it seems that this may already be plausible

Actually the "natives" aren't the first Humans to live in North America(Or South America), heck they aren't even the first Homo Sapien Sapiens. They just wiped out the original natives/bred in with them. If it wasn't for the Army Corp. Of Engineers dumping toxic waste on an archeological site due to political correctness who knows what might of been discovered.

As per these "Giants" being Caucasians.... I don't buy it. George Washington was 6ft tall and was considered a "giant of a man" but not a giant. "Natives" ran into plenty of tall Caucasians and didn't call them giants.

Let's be honest with ourselves. If there was another species of humans that where Giants, that viewed us sapiens like play toys/disposable, regardless of which human ethnicity/race ran across them, the Giants would of been hunted into extinction.

Nephilim.

www.youtube.com...

Excellent Video detailing among a host of others new finds of conehead skulls from a siberian forest - as well as the many such skulls in museums - all being determinedly ignored by the archeological establishment,they even manage to completely ignore the elongatedskullsof many egyptian mummies.

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask

Originally posted by quantum_flux
That is a mormon thing, I bet.

You should probably know something about mormons before saying that........besides mormon religion is based in Utah, not Nevada.......

Yes ive heard of this before several times, if you do a search you can find info, there was also a special on TV about it.

Reportedly the Giants were read headed with beards, there are skulls in the museum of natural history , that were found from the caves.

The Incas are believed to have said that Viracocha (the bringer of peace and civilized ways) had a big read beard and white skin.
These people always sound like some kind of ancient viking to me.
Same with the Mayans/Aztecs regarding Kulklcan/Quetzlcoatl, he was said to have flowing robes, big beard and I'm not sure about the red hair part.

en.wikipedia.org...

It seems very likely to me that one day giants walked this earth, obviously they don't seem to be around anymore. But the fact that we've found fossils of such skeletons is quite astounding.