Geraldo and Jesse Ventura debunk 9/11!!

reply to post by orangutang


And is *anyone* still surprised that many (panicked) voices are openly waging a propaganda war against 'conspiracy theorists'?

If it wasn't for those people like us, these evil bastards would continue to get away with it.

Cheney, Bush, Rummy, Rice and the whole board of Haliburton...you're going to get exactly what you deserve, and hopefully sooner rather than later.

Sweating much these days? Hope so.

Originally posted by lagnar
reply to post by ohiotim2112

 

At 306 million Americans, 2.3 "T"rillion would be about $7500.00/per. Billion would've been $7.50/per.

Just sayin'

Big...BIG...BIIIIIIIIIG Numbers there.

Just a poetic note: I think Mr. Bush, and Mr. Cheney should be headed off to Guantanamo...where the Geneva Convention has no merit, moral as well as physical torture are commonplace happenstance, and habeus corpus isn't a cumbersome issue anymore - when it comes to enemy combatants (terrorists). Maybe then we'd get the truth, and they'd get the punishment they deserve.

edit on 22-12-2010 by lagnar because: Last paragraph had to be said.

That's actually true about the Geneva Convention and Habeas corpus...we can use their twisted plotting to our own benefit and change it back after they've been...treated to justice.

I love jesse. but man. no plane hit the pentagon? wtf is he smoking.
then what the hell is all this stuff strewn around the pentagon?

www.911myths.com...

I believe that there was a plane. however jesse might be on to something and the missing trillions. what's a few lives at the expense of a trillion dollars?

I feel so sorry for that poor man....to have lost his son the way he did. It is something I cannot even imagine..And to think there are thousands like him....that lost their...Son....Father....Daughter....Mother.....or.....Friend(s). Yes this should be investigated till ....The Truth.....whatever that may be.....or whomever...is responsible....is held accountable.

I just don't know what to think about this anymore. I have seen reasons from both sides that I can understand.

If Flight 77 was lost from radar for 28 minutes.......then it is possible it landed....those on the plane were taken somewhere.....or God Forbid......executed. It's just all so confusing.

I had.....have...doubts about Building 7. I have seen videos that show it in free-fall, and I have seen ones that were slower. Has someone done some editing...or speeding up of the video??? I don't know. The way things can be done on a computer......anything is possible. That is why it is so hard for me to come to... Any.....conclusion. How do I know what I am seeing is real.....or....not?? I don't know.

I did see a video of building 7 coming down that showed a part of the building.....at the very left top....collasping off towards the back inside. I think I saw someone say something about a Pent House....maybe that is what it was.

All of it.....just seems so incomprehensible.....All the Coincedences.....I mean so many coincedences as to boggle the mind.. in everything that happened that horrible day.

I pray for all those that lost loved ones....were injured....crippled....Rescuers and Fireman...and Police that suffer from the dust they breathed....that someday.....they will find peace...and those responsible....get their punishment in this life..but one thing that is definite....When their Soul leaves their earthly body......they will have to relive...and feel...the pain and horror....that everyone of their victims suffered. Kharma....is a real Bad Bitch....when you have to pay for what you have done in this life.

I sure would hate to be Saddam Hussien right now.......His life review....and the suffering of every individual he had tortured.......or killed.......will most likely never end.

In case someone reading this does not know what.... Life Review....means. Just search Near-Death-Experiences

And to the Goverment Goons...that monitor this site......I suggest you do some research into what happens when the soul leaves the body.....Might want to start living in a way that you don't suffer so much when Your Soul Leaves Your Body.

Unless you plan on living forever.....HINT!!!.....ain't gonna happen Have a great day....and after life ALL

reply to post by grey580


You're kidding right?

Do you seriously think that a plot of this magnitude wouldn't have the plotters planting bit's and pieces that would be thought from the supposed aircraft?

There were pieces big enough to carry by hand...that means pieces small enough to be hidden inside the area targeted for the strike to be blown all over the place...and we never did get to learn exactly what was contained in the large metal box being lugged out of the hole in the Pentagon wall were we?

Could it be that evidence of exactly *what* impacted the wall that day, a cruise missile probably was left intact and had to be secretly rushed away?

No seats...no luggage...no bodies from passengers...heck, not even a single body part...not even a single drop of blood.

No passenger aircraft hit that building.

And if the whole thing is done and dusted and is exactly as the OS says it was...what the hell is to be gained by the FBI *still* refusing to release all of the video and film footage that was confiscated that day? Huh? A decade later?!

What...are they keeping it hidden from everyone simply because they don't want us upset at seeing the explosion or something?!

There is *no* valid reason, legally or otherwise to keep the video and film of every possible recording source that may have had a view of what really happened...no reason at all..so where is the video?

*Show us the video, FBI*

Originally posted by spikey
You're kidding right?

Do you seriously think that a plot of this magnitude wouldn't have the plotters planting bit's and pieces that would be thought from the supposed aircraft?

YOU'RE kidding, right?

The government can't even keep Watergate a secret but somehow keeps something of the magnitude of a 911 conspiracy secret?

reply to post by spikey

No seats...no luggage...no bodies from passengers...heck, not even a single body part...not even a single drop of blood.

I take it that you were part of the recovery and rescue team that day and are telling us the extent of your first hand experience. Because, if not, then you are contradicting a mountain of photographic and testimonial evidence.

reply to post by spikey


Ya know.....before putting foot in mouth, would be good to research first...THEN, when you put foot in mouth you know why you're doing it? (Or, you realize NOT to....):

No seats...no luggage...no bodies from passengers...heck, not even a single body part...not even a single drop of blood.

Keeping in mind this is the same lie that surrounds the Pentagon, from many online sites...did "Jesse" ALSO lie too, in the video?? (Also, keeping in mind....this thread is basically just a repeat of several other threads...it is about a blog.....a blog about the TV show that "Jesse" did recently...and on ATS elsewhere are threads (blogs) about the TV show that Jesse did recently...so, the BLOG that is topic of this thread?? Just repeating the same lies from the same crap TV show that "Jesse" did recently.....wash, rinse, repeat....).

"ATS Search" for "Jesse Ventura" in thread titles...and have a look-see.....

(Search Results)


OK....your lie above? (Well...not yours, just the one you repeated...). Where did the DNA come from, then? And personal effects of passengers and crew? And the airplane parts?? And the eyewitnesses who saw the darn airplane hit the building?? And the FAA radar, the controllers, the ANG C-130 crew, etc??

What about this:

And then we have this particularly detailed account from John Judge, referring to a flight attendant friend of his who had flown the Flight 77 route before.

"She saw parts of the fuselage of an American Airlines plane, a Boeing 757 plane... She recognized the polished aluminum outer shell, an unpainted silver color that is unique to American Airline planes, and the red and blue trim that is used to decorate the fuselage. She saw parts of the inside of the plane, which she easily identified since she flew and worked in them for years. Upholstery, drapes and carpeting she could identify by both color and design. The soft carpeting and padding of the inner walls had a cloud design and color she recognized from American Airline planes, though it has since been replaced. The blue coloring of drapes and carpet were also specific to the 757 or 767 larger planes, and were not used on the smaller planes. Seating upholstery also matched the AA 757 planes, including the blue color, tan squares and hints of white...
One area of fuselage had remaining window sections and the shape of the windows, curved squares not ovals, was also distinct to the 757's she had flown. She also saw parts with the A/A logo, including parts of the tail of the plane. Smaller A/A logos and "American" logos are also on the planes and she saw parts of those...
She spent approximately 15 minutes in the crash area looking at parts of the wreckage, all of which she recognized as coming from a Boeing 757 American Airline plane, the same planes she flew regularly. She did not see any rubber, only metal pieces of fuselage, engine parts and sections of the inside of the plane".

www.911myths.com...

Reports of luggage and personal effects.

Passengers' and crews' bodies identified...

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by spikey
You're kidding right?

Do you seriously think that a plot of this magnitude wouldn't have the plotters planting bit's and pieces that would be thought from the supposed aircraft?

YOU'RE kidding, right?

The government can't even keep Watergate a secret but somehow keeps something of the magnitude of a 911 conspiracy secret?

No, i don't find this a funny subject, so no, i'm not even remotely kidding.

And i'll remind you, that millions of people, from every walk of life around the planet as well as in the USA, a prime time TV documentary programme, featuring high profile people, saying the OS is a pathetic lie isn't exactly keeping things secret.

Watergate?! Watergate was one single dirty scandal among undoubtedly many (WL remember!) that was revealed WL style, one single scandal...you think there are no more scandals and wrongdoings covered up, that have not been discovered, do you?!

Watergate is your example to highlight your view that a system cannot keep secrets of misdeeds, simply because it was one of the few that had been discovered?

I'd advise you to *Get the hell real* and fast if that's the case!

Not every plot is discovered, not every crime gets solved and not every criminal gets caught...although hopefully Wikileaks or organisations like them, will set the record straight on a great many yet to be brought into the light soon enough.

i see the same atsers coming to the aid of the official story, you agents make yourself pretty obvious when the evidence of jesse makes it perfectly clear, so clear in fact that a 2 year old could understand and figure it out that we now have the patriot act and are in war. anyhoot, hope this thread gets its day view for non govt opts individuals on this sight.

thanks op

Originally posted by spikey
reply to post by grey580

 

What...are they keeping it hidden from everyone simply because they don't want us upset at seeing the explosion or something?!

There is *no* valid reason, legally or otherwise to keep the video and film of every possible recording source that may have had a view of what really happened...no reason at all..so where is the video?

*Show us the video, FBI*

You said a mouth full there my friend. I have always felt the Pentagon security videos and the videos confiscated by nearby businesses are the smoking gun to 9/11... or should I say the Mushroom Cloud of 9/11.
If our government really wants to squelch the 9/11 truthers, release the VIDEOS!!! The public has seen enough airplane crashes on the news and this one is no different. We don't need to see videos inside the Pentagon collapse, all we want to do is confirm it's a PLANE!! Our "democratic government" owes its citizens proof beyond a reasonable doubt!

reply to post by weedwhacker


I knew there was a reason i had you on my ignore list for neigh on two years weedwhacker, and it wasn't because i disliked you, or didn't think you were an eloquent poster.

You're post has just reminded me why.

As i say, you post a good post. You're mostly eloquent, and straight laced, and to the point, all of which i like about your posts.
But even allowing for the above, i realised early on reading you, that you don't have much to actually say. No...that's not quite true..you do have things to say, it's just you say what you say, with seemingly no regard for common sense or intuitive thinking. You relied and continue to rely on the official record when commenting about..anything really.

You post a good post, but you repeat rather than think, and i couldn't get on with it, i'm afraid.

Your absolute faith in what you're told by the very people who are now being accused of either being directly complicit in the actual creation of the plot or incompetent or unprofessional in their subsequent investigation of the plot (deliberately or not), is rather admirable from a certain standpoint, but also pathetically blinkered and short sighted, at the same time.

Your post i'm answering is an example of the point.

You start off by calling the show and everyone on it basically a lie and liars. Then you call me a liar, but then retract that, but instead of simply deleting the slur, you leave it, but add a codicil withdrawing it...(yes, i and just about everyone else noticed psychology 101 in that nugget)

Everything you said in your post, originated virtually directly from official lips by way of argument for the lack of any substantial evidence for a passenger aircraft, is *easily* circumvented and explainable, so much so, it's just silly to imagine otherwise when viewed from the perspective of an official plot to commit treason against the American people and eventually crimes against humanity. Everything.

I even gave a very plausible explanation in my previous post, for the *small* bits and pieces of aircraft wreckage found at the scene, which you either didn't read or decided to ignore.

Anyone who is alert and paying attention, will know for themselves likely scenarios to account for supposed dna 'samples' from passengers supposedly being present. If i knew where you lived for example, i could probably gather enough of your dna, from just your trash bags, to place you at the scene of a crash, crime, concert, whatever..genetically speaking.

And i'm not a professional with unbelievable resources behind me, or access to a captive planeload of the actual passengers at my leisure either..come on, think a little.

reply to post by WeRpeons


Couldn't agree more mate.

If *all* the tapes and discs are revealed to the public, and have not been tampered with, and show exactly what they're 'mean't' to show, i'll issue a public apology to anyone i've argued against on this subject, but i don't see that happening...do you?

If the OS is on the level, show the evidence, show the videos.

Thank you to everyone who has participated in this thread.

I was unable to join in and had to split from my PC about ten minutes after I posted it last night and I did not expect so many responses.
I checked briefly this morning.
So thank you all once again.

I have not had time to get totally up to date on the thread, but it seems as though the argument presented so far is that a plane did in fact hit the Pentagon.

And to that I say....

It does not matter.

What took me by surprise concerning this article was that for one Geraldo...
@ Randyvs.... I am totally with you. Blew my mind, but also raised my BS scope.
Simply because its Geraldo and he has been so ruthless in his personal attacks on truthers in the past.

and two...
The amount of money in the Pentagon that is unaccounted for due to the crash.

This is no different than the SEC offices being destroyed in 7 and along with it all of the evidence of the white collar crime wave we saw in the late 90's.
Anybody remember ENRON?

You haven't heard about it since 9/11 because the entire case went up with # 7.
Just like the missing trillions from the Pentagon.

Ventura proves, beyond any doubt that no airplane every hit the Pentagon.

Did anyone see what hit the Pentagon? No, so there is no proof there?

FACT: When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings

It is also clearly shown that there is absolutely no evidence of any kind showing a plane hit the Pentagon, no wreckage, no bodies, no luggage

This link shows pictures that would refute the claim of no airplane hit the pentagon.

source: www.911review.com...

There is also proof that the government threatened witnesses, telling them to support the “aircraft scenario.”

Where might this proof be?

Not only was the flight recorder “dead” but during the flight itself,

How could we know anything about the flight recorders activity if they were allegedly never found?

Fox News journalist Geraldo Rivera, several weeks ago, debunked the Building 7 collapse at the World Trade Center as “controlled demolition.”

Last time I checked, Waldo..er Geraldo wasn't a demo specialist. Furthermore, someone who ran around doing a documentary about the mafia and the hidden loot only to find nothing..squat, further suggests that he is only in the lime light for ratings.

Geraldo Rivera claims that he is now more open to the idea that 9/11 involved planted explosives after hearing new ad campaign. Rivera claims that the fact that the families of the victims and over 1300 architects and engineers are behind the new information has caused him to take a second look.

First he bought the USG story, now all of a sudden he changes his tune? WTH?


Truther FAIL

reply to post by traditionaldrummer


The Government most definitely has the ability to keep secrets.

I find this to be a very troublesome comparison when someone expects the Government to be so incompetent.

The incompetence in government is only at the level where we interact with them on a daily basis.
In my opinion, it is no different than the framework of any secret fraternal order.
And all of the workers are sucking on the teat of the Federal Government, and they will defend it unwaveringly.
That is their paycheck!!!

Just as the shape of a pyramid imbues the power of the Sun, power in government radiates downward.
And loses strength individually as it radiates.
But the whole is very powerful and quite capable of keeping secrets.

If the government wants something then it will get it.
The Incompetence is built into the system as a defense mechanism.

Here are proven false flags that the government has acknowledged:

1) Lusitania
2) Pearl Harbor
3) Gulf of Tonkin
4) Iraq WMD

So the Government is incompetent, unless of course it comes to taking our rights away.
Then they become very competent.

I want to say that I personally am not accusing anyone of anything regarding 9/11.
I think that would be improper without an impartial investigation with civilian oversight.
I want, along with a majority of New Yorkers, a new investigation.

reply to post by Josephus23


May I inquire to the proof or facts in regards to Pearl Harbor being a false flag operation?

reply to post by Whereweheaded


As I said, whether or not a plane hit the Pentagon is irrelevant, but what is relevant is that the entire of the Pentagon and the WTC site are being shown to be possible white collar crime areas involving destruction of evidence, but yet they were not treated as such.
We may be just finding out about the missing money and the SEC losing all of it cases in Buildings 1 & 7, but someone knew about it the day it happened and the entire scene should have been treated as a crime scene, which it was not.

When any plane crash happens, the plane is pieced back together by the FAA and it is inspected.
This did not happen with any of the 4 planes that were supposed to have been hijacked that day.

HUGE breech of protocol.
That in itself tells me that we need a new and impartial investigation with civilian oversight.

And the Geraldo comments were just one big argument ad hominem.
You did not invalidate a single point that he made discussing building 7.

Poor form mate.

reply to post by Whereweheaded


This is the most mainstream article that I could find and it does not tell exactly what happened.
Japanese subs were spotted and American ships fired upon them 45 minutes before the attack.

Just as it happened on 9/11.
It seemed that "incompetence" ruled that day.
(Funny how the government so frequently lead us into war based upon either outright deceit (Vietnam and Iraq) or "incompetence" (Afghanistan and WW2) or a little of both (WW1).

Here is a quote from the article.

The Japanese submarine's job was to enter Pearl Harbor and attack U.S. Navy ships in conjunction with the arriving Japanese airplanes, he explained. "The people on the tug saw the periscope, alerted the Ward, and the Ward came over an engaged it," he said. "Ironically, they reported it, but no one pushed it up the chain of command. Just imagine what a totally different outcome it would be if we'd gotten a 45-minute warning," Ballard said.

link to source

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Well, since Geraldo was correct about those satanic baby-eating sex-molester cults back in the 80s, no doubt we should listen to what he says about 911.

Geraldo was investigating what is now called a phenomenon known as Satanic Ritual Abuse.

Here is a link to the MrMartin Preschool Trial, which was the cornerstone of his investigation.
You can also look into the Franklin Child Abuse Scandal.
Here is a link.

There is more to this than meets the eye, but I do not want to derail my own thread.
Geraldo has done some very respectable reporting, but the material that he covers is usually controversial, to say the least.