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Originally posted by john_bmth
Gambler's Fallacy
2nd line
Originally posted by VonDoomen
Extremely interesting OP!
and a question for both of you.
You said that the set of balls had to be changed. What, if anything, effect could there be from minute differences in the qualities of each ball; such as weight and distribution.
At some level, they must vary to some degree, and one could assume that this variation could also represent itself in repeated trials as a biased outcome.
As a student in computers i find this very interesting. I created a thread that talks about this type of stuff.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
OP, are you involved with creating evolutionary algorithms and neural nets then?
Originally posted by St Udio
reply to post by EdwardSlayton
i looked at the same numbers, boxed or straight...for the SC drawings:
Digit1 Digit2 Digit3 Draw Date
3 0 3 Evening 10/26/10
3 3 0 Midday 07/31/10
3 0 3 Evening 06/04/10
3 3 0 Midday 02/06/10
3 0 3 Evening 07/25/09
0 3 3 Midday 01/20/09
3 3 0 Midday 07/01/08
3 0 3 Evening 01/13/08
3 3 0 Evening 01/03/08
0 3 3 Evening 04/28/07
3 0 3 Evening 04/03/07
3 3 0 Evening 07/04/06
0 3 3 Evening 03/15/06
0 3 3 Midday 12/12/05
3 3 0 Evening 12/05/05
0 3 3 Midday 06/13/05
3 3 0 Evening 05/09/04
result -> the payouts aren't worth the investment -> the norm is a hit 3X per year, but in 2010 the combo hit 4X already
next... you have to really trust the source as reliable... that the numberd balls are changed once a year,
then you have to believe the #'ed balls are never touched or cleaned by human hands
i dismiss your theory, its certain that the balls are cleaned of the residual human hand oils, from being touched at each drawing (off the air) to replace into the mixing bin.
your thread sounds impressive... but thats the difference
Originally posted by Epsillion70
Then you might be talking about,
Bayesian inference or maybe
Frequentist inference
?edit on 21-12-2010 by Epsillion70 because: Edit spelling
Originally posted by Epsillion70
I tend to think the OP is using a Heuristic approach to something that is essentially a random event on each lottery draw and each numbered ball having the odds of 0.5 each time.
But my theory is that, with enough data from the same balls, it's NOT random.
Originally posted by VonDoomen
reply to post by EdwardSlayton
the topic of random in computing is very interesting.
at one level of reality, the newtonian level, things do seemed to be governed with to much randomness.
however, i feel the smaller we try to perceive reality, the more randomness is inherent in the system. Or atleast, random to our newtonian perception.
however, we cant simulate pure randomness with software alone correct?
Originally posted by Bordon81
Years ago I played around with a system that mimicked random coin tosses. If you toss a coin a trillion times you will almost certainly find a run of coin flips in your data where the coin comes up heads 28 times in a row.
It did seem that these longer run events showed up more predictably in the data. The counts for shorter runs of less than 8 consecutive heads or tails vacillated as the data built, taking random walks before returning to the statistical mean expected. Probably just an illusion unless randomness has a temporal quirk that has not been widely published.