Quake Watch 2011

reply to post by MoorfNZ


There's an eclipse? Not here unfortunately. With the moon over Mexico I would not have thought you could see it at all being so far down under handing on by the toes.

reply to post by MoorfNZ

and it only needs to be on the Ring of Fire for someone to be right

yes easy guess that really.

there will soon be people who predict who's going to predict correctly!!

There already are! Me! And they are all wrong see if I am right!

Originally posted by PuterMan
reply to post by MoorfNZ

 

There's an eclipse? Not here unfortunately. With the moon over Mexico I would not have thought you could see it at all being so far down under handing on by the toes.

It's visible for an hour at 3AM.. and I'm never good with my toes at that hour of the morn..

Originally posted by MoorfNZ

Originally posted by murkraz
Well, at least the super-moon theory gets put to the test in the next few hours.

There's a supermoon? I know there's an eclipse tonight - red moon rising.

Wow, I'm dense. For some reason in my mind I dismissed that this is an eclipse and thought it was a super moon even though I already read about it early the week. Probably cause it keeps saying that'll it be super sized near the horizon. Long day, lol.

Gotta love being stuck in the Atlantic, at least I got to wave to a nice full moon a few hours ago.

reply to post by murkraz


Still got a lovely clear view of the moon here. We are at latitude 54 so basically the opposite side of the Atlantic puddle to you at about the same level or maybe a bi higher.

Funny it does not matter how many times it passes over here it never makes and earthquake happen.

Originally posted by PuterMan
reply to post by murkraz

 

Still got a lovely clear view of the moon here. We are at latitude 54 so basically the opposite side of the Atlantic puddle to you at about the same level or maybe a bi higher.

Funny it does not matter how many times it passes over here it never makes and earthquake happen.

Hahah, I saw it during a drive, it looked great but then envy started to flow through me because I want to see a blood red moon before 2014 I guess I could hitch a plane to the penumbra zone before the show starts... I have to go to bed but I might set my alarm to catch it on the cams.

Magnitude mb 4.2
Region GULF OF CALIFORNIA
Date time 2011-12-10 08:56:28.8 UTC
Location 27.46 N ; 111.40 W
Depth 10 km
Distances 70 km SW Guaymas (pop 103,449 ; local time 01:56:28.8 2011-12-10)
80 km SW Empalme (pop 38,599 ; local time 01:56:28.8 2011-12-10)

Source parameters provided by another agency

eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/OH/OH2011.html#LE2011Dec10T

eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/OH/OHfigures/OH2011-Fig06.pdf

Penumbral Eclipse Begins: 11:33:32 UT
Partial Eclipse Begins: 12:45:42 UT
Total Eclipse Begins: 14:06:16 UT
Greatest Eclipse: 14:31:49 UT
Total Eclipse Ends: 14:57:24 UT
Partial Eclipse Ends: 16:17:58 UT
Penumbral Eclipse Ends: 17:30:00 UT

It's working its way round!

Magnitude mb 4.3
Region SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS
Date time 2011-12-10 09:22:42.4 UTC
Location 25.33 S ; 179.53 E
Depth 513 km
Distances 809 km S Suva (pop 199,455 ; local time 21:22:42.4 2011-12-10)
710 km SW Nuku'alofa (pop 23,611 ; local time 23:22:42.4 2011-12-10)
707 km SW Tofoa-koloua (pop 2,535 ; local time 23:22:42.4 2011-12-10)
Source parameters provided by another agency

Magnitude mb 5.0
Region PHILIPPINE ISLANDS REGION
Date time 2011-12-10 09:51:19.0 UTC
Location 11.13 N ; 126.01 E
Depth 60 km
Distances 109 km E Tacloban (pop 189,090 ; local time 17:51:19.7 2011-12-10)
34 km E Guiuan (pop 11,041 ; local time 17:51:19.7 2011-12-10)
29 km NE Sulangan (pop 3,034 ; local time 17:51:19.7 2011-12-10)
Source parameters not yet reviewed by a seismologist

www.emsc-csem.org...

The moon is at full strength today 10th

www.calculatorcat.com...
Maybe it is just as well there is an eclipse to shield us from its 'energies' at the mo!

Rainbows
Jane

reply to post by murkraz


Don't think that qualifies as a mag 6/7 in Los Angeles however!

Epic failure for Mr California earthquake predictions yet again.

reply to post by angelchemuel

Maybe it is just as well there is an eclipse to shield us from its 'energies' at the mo!

Um eh? Wot? How does the shadow of the earth falling on the moon shield us from the energies? Just have a little think about what you said!

Originally posted by PuterMan
reply to post by angelchemuel

 

Maybe it is just as well there is an eclipse to shield us from its 'energies' at the mo!

Um eh? Wot? How does the shadow of the earth falling on the moon shield us from the energies? Just have a little think about what you said!

You forgot my smiley at the end.....it was a joke!
Rainbows
Jane

reply to post by angelchemuel


Ah silly me! I think I might have twigged it if it was a

BTW folks, that excellent site Irish Weather Online, source of much earthquake information and generally a good all round site has unfortunately met its demise at least for the time being.

The editor and team all had day jobs and I think it just got too much to handle.

Can the moon trigger earthquakes?
Can the moon dampen earthquakes?

If we can ask the first question, we must ask the second as well. Because both can be true.
A trigger does not result in an immediate consequence. When you pull the trigger, a mechanism engages a firing pin. The firing pin then strikes the bullet. And so on. The target doesn't get hit or move until several things happen first.

The moon is not a singular event. You can't forget about apogee and perigee and the sun. And it's cycle.

What can be observed at this moment, as the moon is full, with regards to worldwide earthquakes?

At the moment, worldwide quakes have been dampened. It's extremely quiet. So, if the moon is effecting earthquakes, it's holding the earth tight in it's grip. It would seem that the moon at this time is reducing the amount of earthquakes.

If the moon is pulling ground water through faults and there is an upward movement, this can temporarily hold the fault still because it is swollen from the water that is absorded in the clay layers, and other permiable layers. I think clay is key. Have you ever slipped on wet clay soil?.
(Wait, thinking to myself afterward. Don't you remember driving the tractor in that clay? Oh, it was brutal when it rained too much. I remember that September when it wouldn't stop raining. We couldn't get in the vineyards with the tractors and the giant picking tractor. We were sinking up to our axles when we finally did. You couldn't get traction. I was told by my boss to gun the engine like "crazy" and not to stop my wheels from moving. We were slipping and sliding and ruining the vineyards. Since we had a mechanical picker, we were employed by neighbouring farmers to pick their grapes. One owner was near tears as we left giant ruts up and down his long rows. We said, "we're sorry". He understood we all had no choice, we had to get the fruit off the vine or it would rot and be a total loss. What a mucky nightmare. I was eating mud. The tractor which would eventually have to pull me out after getting stuck, would shoot mud from it's tires and onto my face. Clay is slippery when wet. But when your stuck. It's like when you get your rubber boots stuck in the mud. There's that suction thing. Once your in it, it holds you like your glued in place. Wow. What wonderful stuff. One minute your sliding all over the place out of control, the next, your stuck like a fly on a gummy tree.)


But when the moon relaxes it's effect, the lubricated faults then may loosen up and slide. So, you may have to wait for the effect to be manifested as an earthquake. The ground water is just like the tides on the ocean but we don't see them. If all over the world, and spectaculary in the Bay of Fundy, the tides have a massive and global effect, why would they have a similiar effect under the ground?

Maybe we just understand the tides we can see better than the ones we can't.

Another one in Virginia yesterday, this time a little deeper & only 11 miles from me. From usgs, had trouble linking, sorry...

2.2
Date-Time
Friday, December 09, 2011 at 22:10:55 UTC
Friday, December 09, 2011 at 05:10:55 PM at epicenter
Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones
Location
37.771°N, 77.643°W
Depth
16.3 km (10.1 miles)
Region
VIRGINIA
Distances
9 km (5 miles) NNW (341°) from Wyndham, VA
12 km (8 miles) N (353°) from Short Pump, VA
15 km (9 miles) W (275°) from Ashland, VA
30 km (19 miles) NNW (328°) from Richmond, VA
138 km (86 miles) SSW (204°) from Washington, DC

reply to post by PuterMan


Sorry, I'll use the 'jiggling' one next time....message received and understood boss!
Irish Weather eh? Now there's an opportunity....for someone....

Rainbows
Jane

And around it comes

Magnitude mb 4.6
Region EASTERN IRAN
Date time 2011-12-10 16:13:50.0 UTC
Location 32.13 N ; 58.46 E
Depth 2 km
Distances 110 km SW Birjand (pop 196,982 ; local time 19:43:50.9 2011-12-10)
183 km NE Ravar (pop 40,167 ; local time 19:43:50.9 2011-12-10)
Source parameters not yet reviewed by a seismologist

www.emsc-csem.org...

Rainbows
Jane

reply to post by ericblair4891


Just one small question with the moon thing.

The moon affects the earth twice a day as the bulge moves round as we spin underneath it. It always does this, every day. Day in and night out the bulge travels. Apogee and Perigee make little difference by comparison to the pull of the moon itself and obviously there is some effect from either having the moon in line between the sun or the opposite side from the sun.

It does not go away as I believe some people think when it is a new moon. There is not no moon, you just can't see it.

If it was going to affect earthquakes it would do so with an observable pattern, but we don't observe one. Why is that?

Gaia likes a laugh. When ever there is a new moon up and coming or a supermoon she laughs in the face of the moon theorists and makes sure nothing happens.

You say that the effect is not immediate? Your analogy to a bullet is I believe wrong. It is more like ice cracking. More and more cracks appear until eventually the ice gives way. The moon may have some part in weakening the structure but the major element comes from the stress.

There may be some effect from water, but unlike the clowns in California I do not believe that high pressure water in the faults percolates down. That is just about the daftest bloody silly statement a scientist could make. It is like saying that the petrol trickles into a cylinder on the upstroke. Both pressure and the water come from below. Mainstream geology refuses to think straight about hydrocarbon reactions, one of the by-products of which is water. They still maintain that water trickles down 30km! Fools. Buffoons! Unless the water comes up under pressure at those sort of depths there is no way on Gaia's Earth that it is going to percolate down.

The moon is only one component of the equation, and not a big one at that.

I got up at 3am to see the eclipse, mainly because of cats crying/baying outside the window woke me up , but there was nothing to see, overcast with thick cloud.
Perhaps the perception that an eclipse causes earthquakes is just that, there are no facts to back it up, maybe it happened once and then people kept thinking of that one time and saying it happens every time, and the myth was born.
Same with the cycles of the Moon, in these graphs of NZ quakes in relation to moon cycle August through December you can see for yourself, that 14 quakes over Mag 5 in that period only 2 coincided with a Moon phase. or to put it another way, of 18 Moon phases a moderate quake only occured twice. Its all pretty random IMO.
Quiet here the last 5 days energy released wise, (see Dec on that page)

Just been noticing the progression of the number of quakes that have been popping up on the eastern side of the Rocky Mtns lately . The line from Texas up into Canada plus the usual line along the Pacific coast line . Funny suspicion that a compression is occurring along the eastern slope of the rockies which may lend to a snapping back towards the pacific coast line in a drop or upheaval . Whether it does or is going to happen , wait and see .

Whether it has been pointed out already , then consider this as just nothing more than an agreement of the same .

Visualization of earthquake activity in 2011



go to the 2 min. mark