Quake Watch 2011

reply to post by westcoast


Been reading this thread religiously for days and have a few questions about the latest EQ breakout in the Midwest:

1. Is this related to YU55?
2. Are the subsequent quakes part of the first one in OK or are they a pre-cursor to a larger event and if so will it set off New Madras?
3. What happens to the gas in the ground in the fracking areas when EQs happen? Is there a chance we could see explosions in the surrounding areas from I think they are called fissures?

Originally posted by antar
reply to post by westcoast

 

Been reading this thread religiously for days and have a few questions about the latest EQ breakout in the Midwest:

1. Is this related to YU55?
2. Are the subsequent quakes part of the first one in OK or are they a pre-cursor to a larger event and if so will it set off New Madras?
3. What happens to the gas in the ground in the fracking areas when EQs happen? Is there a chance we could see explosions in the surrounding areas from I think they are called fissures?

Hi Antar,
I had to quote your whole post so I can refer to it easily. (Can't remember than many questions all at once.

1. No, no relation to YU55. That thing is way too small to have any effect via gravity. And if an object passing us by was large enough to have a gravitational effect that caused quakes, it would set them off all over the world in a progression as the planet rotated. It would also cause enormous tides. None of that is happening. Unfortunately some scremongers are making YU55 out to be much more than the rock in space than it actually is.

2. The subsequent quakes in OK after the 5.6 have to be taken as aftershocks. There is not wat to know if the 5.6 itself is a foreshock unless a bigger one happens within a reasonable time. If one does and it's in the same fault system region, then the 5.6 is a foreshock. Until then, it's a mainshock and the others are aftershocks. (Ones before it are foreshocks of the 5.6.)

As for the New Madrid, we hope it won't have an effect. In Theory there is no connection. In practice, we hope that's the case. But there is no way anyone can state deifinitively that the OK 5.6 will set off the New Madrid.

3. Very good question. I think I posted my opinion on this on another thread a couple of days ago, but briefly, here's what I think: If the quake happens deep enough, down below where the gas-rich shale layers are, then it's possible that if fractures open to the surface then the gas could escape..Accounts from 1811/12 talk of things being thrown into the air, of "reports" (ie explosions" and also of sulphurous smells and people becoming sick or having difficulty breathing. That suggests to me that possibly, gas could escape in some places.

Okay I must rush. Work beckons.

Mike

Ok so with the blizzard conditions poised to head down from Alaska and the northern states, will the additional weight and wetness cause more trouble if this is related to fracking practices?

Originally posted by antar
Ok so with the blizzard conditions poised to head down from Alaska and the northern states, will the additional weight and wetness cause more trouble if this is related to fracking practices?

Forgive me if im wrong .... but I think Robin is the chap to answer questions involving water / fracking and quakes.
(passes buck over to Robin)

reply to post by antar


Hi Antar

2. Are the subsequent quakes part of the first one in OK or are they a pre-cursor to a larger event and if so will it set off New Madras?
3. What happens to the gas in the ground in the fracking areas when EQs happen? Is there a chance we could see explosions in the surrounding areas from I think they are called fissures?

A couple of points here as Mike has covered pretty much all of it.

First a leg pull. The New Madras? No it won't, but watch out for the New Vindaloo - that one can be catastrophic!

Re gas, yes nature does actually do it's own natural fracking. It is the very nature of shale to be fractured easily and there are natural emissions of gas/oil from areas that have been fractured by quakes or indeed water.

You might find this of interest. It shows the types of traps that occur where natural gas and oil reservoirs form.

The point I wanted to emphasise is the these form because migrating oil and gas meets resistance in the form of an impervious layer. In earthquake can indeed breach this impervious layer under the right circumstances.

Note that their description of how hydrocarbons for take no account of abiotic oil production.

reply to post by antar

Ok so with the blizzard conditions poised to head down from Alaska and the northern states, will the additional weight and wetness cause more trouble if this is related to fracking practices?

There is a certain amount of evidence that water can lubricate faults to cause movement. Robin's per subject I think as already said. The weight of snowfall is unlikely to have any effect. It is not until you start talking about ice fields/glaciers hundreds of metres thick that this occurs.

I hope you don't get hundreds of metres of snowfall!!!

Did you knew this?www.ubalert.com...

Originally posted by PuterMan

Snip

Note that their description of how hydrocarbons for take no account of abiotic oil production.

My wife's godfaher (non-mafia related) was lead chemist for one of the refineries here in Texas City, has his name on two patents (and would have more were it not for corporate politics), consulted around the world for several years after he retired, has a wing at a prominent college named after him (and his wife who was equally remarkabe), and was one of the smartest people I've ever known.

He passed a few years ago, but I reall conversations about abiotic oil and possible implications. He acknowledged it as fact and told me that research around it was discouraged quite vehemently.

So, this is not a new concept as I am sure you are aware.

Back to your regularly scheduled thread..

Just for the record, what a magnitude 6.9 @ 220km depth looks like on LISS.
Not as saturated on TATO as I expected, making me think the depth affected the trace enough that it just looks like a 6.5
TATO 506.6 km away
SNZO 9134 km away

GeoAu still not finalised, holding on 7.0Mw, interesting they list their source as the Pacific Tsunami Warning Center, who in turn used the JMA report of 6.8ML

Originally posted by diamondsmith
Did you knew this?www.ubalert.com...

Good find , just goes to show you can't just depend solely on USGS for your information, the Felt Reports page for that quake merely show one MM3 response at Davao

Another small quake coming in in OK... this is looking in the high 3's, low 4's area...

For some reason, I don't like the feel of this. An initial 5.3 to a 6.0 to another 4.7, with a zillion microquakes in between. Plenty warning enough....


The good though: they fixed TA.V35A! GO Earthscope and Transportable Array! That was fricken FAST they fixed that. Of course with what's going on in OK, they needed to. Very well done, and one reason TA is one of my favorite networks.


Hmm, USGS taking their sweet time with this one...still waiting on report....


Come ON USGS, report the sukka. No, you are not going to make a fool out of me!


There it is. That's a quake, no question. So report the sukka. Inquiring minds want to know.



Ahh, finally. 3.6
earthquake.usgs.gov...



DON'T mess with me like that...

Any possibility any of these are related to the sunspots that are currently facing the earth, or beginning to face the earth through the next couple weeks? Been reading a couple other posts and checking the NOAA alerts page and there is one of the largest sunspots ever seen becoming Earth facing right now. I only just looked at this post again after a while because I can't remember the last time I saw a quake in Montana on RSOE map.

reply to post by TrueAmerican


Here ya go

3.6 2011/11/08 19:05:17 35.535 -96.797 5.1 9 km ( 5 mi) SSE of Sparks, OK

Source

Sorry to break into your on going OK post but has anyone noticed a small swarm in Utah. They have been adding backdated quakes all day (afternoon/evening for me)

Here is the current list for the last 7 days

Date/Time UTC,Latitude,Longitude,Magnitude,Depth(Km),Location
2011-11-08 09:28:42, 39.439, -111.229, 1.3, 2.3, Utah
2011-11-08 07:32:40, 39.436, -111.229, 1.4, 2.5, Utah
2011-11-08 05:24:12, 39.438, -111.229, 1.4, 2.3, Utah
2011-11-08 04:03:30, 39.437, -111.227, 1.4, 2.5, Utah
2011-11-08 02:41:46, 39.269, -111.614, 1.3, 6.0, Utah
2011-11-08 02:33:04, 39.435, -111.230, 1.5, 2.4, Utah
2011-11-08 01:56:59, 39.434, -111.222, 1.5, 5.1, Utah
2011-11-08 01:36:39, 39.437, -111.212, 1.3, 3.0, Utah
2011-11-08 01:18:44, 39.420, -111.225, 1.4, 6.6, Utah
2011-11-08 00:44:06, 39.436, -111.231, 1.5, 3.0, Utah
2011-11-08 00:13:18, 39.436, -111.230, 1.3, 2.5, Utah
2011-11-07 23:56:28, 39.391, -111.228, 1.5, 9.5, Utah
2011-11-07 22:06:05, 39.406, -111.217, 1.0, 12.3, Utah
2011-11-06 22:21:10, 37.141, -113.535, 1.4, 7.0, Utah
2011-11-06 12:20:28, 39.434, -111.248, 1.5, 5.7, Utah
2011-11-06 03:18:22, 37.807, -112.485, 1.0, 3.5, Utah
2011-11-05 23:54:35, 39.433, -111.234, 1.4, 5.8, Utah
2011-11-05 17:50:14, 39.440, -111.232, 1.5, 2.6, Utah
2011-11-05 17:13:54, 39.457, -111.231, 1.8, 5.0, Utah
2011-11-05 16:34:17, 39.442, -111.224, 1.5, 9.2, Utah
2011-11-05 15:16:43, 39.631, -111.945, 1.1, 3.0, Utah
2011-11-05 14:58:26, 39.437, -111.212, 1.6, 10.0, Utah
2011-11-05 12:44:36, 39.436, -111.235, 1.6, 4.1, Utah
2011-11-05 11:18:31, 38.225, -112.264, 2.0, 0.6, Utah
2011-11-05 08:33:05, 37.905, -113.353, 1.1, 6.4, Utah
2011-11-04 19:38:23, 40.391, -111.959, 2.1, 1.3, Wasatch Front Urban Corridor. Utah
2011-11-04 11:56:58, 39.438, -111.219, 1.4, 3.3, Utah
2011-11-04 07:00:18, 39.432, -111.235, 1.6, 6.5, Utah
2011-11-04 01:18:41, 39.441, -111.224, 1.5, 3.9, Utah
2011-11-03 21:21:41, 38.942, -112.902, 1.3, 7.0, Utah
2011-11-03 15:12:16, 39.151, -110.849, 1.6, 15.0, Utah
2011-11-03 12:52:33, 39.435, -111.231, 1.7, 3.9, Utah
2011-11-03 05:23:25, 39.437, -111.229, 1.6, 1.8, Utah
2011-11-03 02:57:00, 39.436, -111.231, 1.3, 2.3, Utah
2011-11-03 00:15:00, 39.411, -111.219, 1.2, 10.1, Utah
2011-11-02 23:52:35, 39.435, -111.236, 1.4, 2.5, Utah
2011-11-02 23:45:22, 39.428, -111.216, 1.5, 2.5, Utah
2011-11-02 22:02:29, 39.433, -111.224, 1.3, 5.6, Utah
2011-11-02 19:22:15, 39.390, -111.952, 1.1, 2.2, Utah
2011-11-02 11:32:29, 39.441, -111.229, 1.5, 3.1, Utah
2011-11-02 07:32:18, 39.434, -111.232, 1.4, 0.2, Utah
2011-11-02 07:07:46, 39.592, -110.364, 1.9, 2.2, Utah
2011-11-02 05:59:52, 39.438, -111.241, 1.9, 2.2, Utah
2011-11-02 01:50:54, 39.439, -111.231, 1.6, 4.9, Utah
2011-11-02 01:44:00, 39.655, -110.391, 1.4, 1.6, Utah
2011-11-02 00:34:20, 39.445, -111.234, 1.3, 3.1, Utah
2011-11-01 21:48:45, 39.439, -111.236, 1.8, 3.2, Utah
2011-11-01 20:45:28, 39.439, -111.220, 1.6, 6.7, Utah
2011-11-01 20:39:03, 39.438, -111.220, 1.3, 3.1, Utah
2011-11-01 19:58:10, 39.431, -111.243, 1.5, 8.9, Utah
2011-11-01 15:09:55, 41.902, -112.418, 1.0, 1.9, Utah
2011-11-01 08:45:35, 39.440, -111.223, 1.4, 2.6, Utah
2011-11-01 06:13:26, 39.438, -111.232, 1.5, 2.6, Utah
2011-11-01 04:41:19, 39.440, -111.221, 1.5, 5.4, Utah
2011-11-01 04:37:58, 39.437, -111.200, 1.6, 10.1, Utah
2011-11-01 03:29:29, 39.441, -111.216, 1.7, 9.2, Utah
2011-11-01 02:38:43, 39.439, -111.227, 1.6, 2.4, Utah
2011-11-01 02:11:40, 39.442, -111.225, 1.5, 4.1, Utah
2011-11-01 01:36:25, 39.439, -111.226, 1.4, 4.5, Utah
2011-11-01 00:57:37, 39.440, -111.230, 1.3, 4.5, Utah
2011-11-01 00:48:33, 39.424, -111.230, 1.6, 7.7, Utah
2011-11-01 00:19:47, 39.643, -110.396, 1.5, 0.0, Utah

reply to post by Vasa Croe

Any possibility any of these are related to the sunspots that are currently facing the earth, or beginning to face the earth through the next couple weeks? Been reading a couple other posts and checking the NOAA alerts page and there is one of the largest sunspots ever seen becoming Earth facing right now. I only just looked at this post again after a while because I can't remember the last time I saw a quake in Montana on RSOE map.

Only just today I replied to something similar so may I direct you to that reply?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by PuterMan


After some tracking, looks like it is a microswarm happening on an existing fault:
www.quake.utah.edu...

Interesting. K, so I opened up some monitoring, but not a lot to choose from on the TA network there that is operational at the moment. ETA: But of course there are a bunch on the UoU network, and all EHZ and ENZ stations too, apparently.

I'm on it....

Originally posted by PuterMan
reply to post by Vasa Croe

 

Any possibility any of these are related to the sunspots that are currently facing the earth, or beginning to face the earth through the next couple weeks? Been reading a couple other posts and checking the NOAA alerts page and there is one of the largest sunspots ever seen becoming Earth facing right now. I only just looked at this post again after a while because I can't remember the last time I saw a quake in Montana on RSOE map.

Only just today I replied to something similar so may I direct you to that reply?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Perfect...thanks!

Fracking Causes Earthquakes-Confirmed by Gas Company

www.politicolnews.com...


Link to the pdf mentioned in the article about Oklahoma.

www.ogs.ou.edu/pubsscanned/openfile/OF1_2011.pdf

reply to post by SusanFrey


That article sources the same report that's been floating around ATS for some days now. You should be aware that I tracked that down, and it is from the Eola Fields, over 100 miles away from where this recent EQ activity has been occurring.

The reason this is so important to note is that geology varies so greatly even in the same state, that you really can't use it as a basis to accuse another area of the same. In the sense that it supports the idea of fracking causing quakes, sure. Just not right now with these recent quakes, cause it really does appear to be faulting.

reply to post by TrueAmerican


Three more come in since the last posting

Date/Time UTC,Latitude,Longitude,Magnitude,Depth(Km),Location
2011-11-08 16:54:01, 39.441, -111.223, 1.7, 2.7, Utah
2011-11-08 15:08:44, 39.438, -111.229, 1.7, 2.5, Utah
2011-11-08 12:36:18, 39.437, -111.231, 1.4, 2.7, Utah