Quake Watch 2011

Could somebody throw an eye over Krakatoa please and give me their honest opinion?
With the rest of the shaking going on today, just wondering if it would contribute to it blowing larger than 2007?
I have posted this request on the volcano thread as well.....just trying to cover my options!
Rainbows
Jane

reply to post by Robin Marks

Robin, 17 is a prime number. (Okay yes I know you know that.)

The prime number preceding it is 13. (Ditto)

There are two main types of periodical cicadas. There's the three 17-year species, and also the four 13-year species.

Sometimes, cicadas straggle, you know. They come out early. Off-schedule. One of the most common forms of straggling involves 17-year cicadas that come out four years early -- meaning after 13 years.

Hmmm... Can that prime number oddness mean anything at all?

Locations: looking at the various maps of where the different broods live, the larger concentrations are around some central and eastern US states. The most are found in and around the regions that felt the strongest effects of the New Madrid quakes approx 200 years ago.

You have me really wondering now.

Mike

Originally posted by JustMike
reply to post by Robin Marks

 

Robin, 17 is a prime number. (Okay yes I know you know that.)

The prime number preceding it is 13. (Ditto)

There are two main types of periodical cicadas. There's the three 17-year species, and also the four 13-year species.

Sometimes, cicadas straggle, you know. They come out early. Off-schedule. One of the most common forms of straggling involves 17-year cicadas that come out four years early -- meaning after 13 years.

Hmmm... Can that prime number oddness mean anything at all?

Locations: looking at the various maps of where the different broods live, the larger concentrations are around some central and eastern US states. The most are found in and around the regions that felt the strongest effects of the New Madrid quakes approx 200 years ago.

You have me really wondering now.

Mike

HA! OMG....Now I am really wondering as well. WOW!

We definitely have them lil irritating creatures here in Tennessee. They were everywhere! Off to research cicadas?? LOL never thought I would say that.

The fault runs along the Mississippi River from Memphis to St. Louis. Missouri's trouble with things natural has stretched through the spring, with the worst disaster in Joplin, where 141 people died in a May 22 tornado, the deadliest single tornado in the United States since 1947. In April, a tornado hit St. Louis, destroying up to 100 homes and damaging the Lambert-St. Louis International Airport and causing its temporary closure. Injuries were reported, but no deaths. The city is now struggling with a blazing heat wave that drove the temperature to a record 97 degrees on Monday. By Tuesday 43 cooling centers were open in the St. Louis area to help residents beat the heat. Since Saturday emergency workers have responded to 12 heat-related cases, the St. Louis Department of Health reported. And if that were not enough, the area is suffering through an infestation of cicadas, which are back in the area as part of the insect's 13-year mating cycle, making lots of noise, fouling pools and making any outdoor picnic an adventure. The bugs are harmless and should be gone in another two weeks.

I learn something new daily on this site.... just WOW!

www.reuters.com...

Maybe it is just a coincidence as the atmosphere heating up does do "something" geologically speaking.

WARNING! Don't go down the rabbit-hole.

If I had to bet, it is due to evolution and ties in with drought and or the trees. The math is probably just a function to stagger chances. And the best odds turned out to be 13 and 17 to cover a wide enough time period.

reply to post by angelchemuel

Could somebody throw an eye over Krakatoa please and give me their honest opinion?

Not sure I could reach that far and anyway I prefer them in their sockets.

Can you give a clue (link) to what you are looking at? I can find virtually nothing on the web.

reply to post by Robin Marks

Drought could be a major factor in some regions, yes. Adult cicadas do need to feed and they need healthy trees to do that.

I just find it fascinating, though. Even 13 years is a remarkably long interval.

MamaJ: good resources on the subject with UMMZ and also on cicadaman's page. I prefer his maps but UMMZ has more of the technical info.

But as Robin says, we need to avoid rabbit holes...

Mike

That's because it's on a site you don't like...but MamaJ and I do...you know what's coming!

theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com...


"Tremors increase at Anak Krakatau to 5,000 a day
October 22, 2011 – SUMATRA, Indonesia –Several earthquakes have struck near south Sumatra of the 5.0 and 5.1 magnitude range today- making a tense situation on the volcanically-dotted archipelago potentially even more volatile. The Anak Krakatau volcano is showing signs of increased seismic activity. Authorities fear the volcano is building towards an eruption that could dwarf the one which occurred in 2007. Indonesia’s Volcanology and Geological Disasters Mitigation Center reported the numbers of seismic tremors now registering from the volcano have exceeded 5,000 a day. There are also reports of a gaseous mist which has seeped from the volcano and have enshrouded it in a yellowish haze- something that has never been observed at the volcano before. Anak Krakatau was placed on orange (level 3) status alert on September 30, 2011. –The Extinction Protocol"
Rainbows
Jane

reply to post by angelchemuel

Several earthquakes have struck near south Sumatra of the 5.0 and 5.1 magnitude range today

Oh yes? Show me?

MAP 3.0 2011/10/22 16:01:23 59.926 -152.696 84.1 SOUTHERN ALASKA
MAP 2.6 2011/10/22 15:21:57 60.096 -152.752 103.4 SOUTHERN ALASKA
MAP 4.3 2011/10/22 14:32:20 61.488 -151.937 10.0 SOUTHERN ALASKA
MAP 2.8 2011/10/22 11:46:37 39.051 -123.061 6.2 NORTHERN CALIFORNIA
MAP 4.9 2011/10/22 11:02:57 -20.146 -68.672 117.8 POTOSI, BOLIVIA
MAP 3.3 2011/10/22 10:33:41 18.306 -67.747 100.8 MONA PASSAGE, PUERTO RICO
MAP 5.0 2011/10/22 10:07:43 -18.021 -69.457 121.0 TARAPACA, CHILE
MAP 2.5 2011/10/22 09:45:45 60.319 -147.177 11.1 SOUTHERN ALASKA
MAP 5.0 2011/10/22 09:38:42 -28.853 -175.326 9.9 KERMADEC ISLANDS REGION
MAP 5.0 2011/10/22 08:34:20 -4.555 100.771 16.4 SOUTHWEST OF SUMATRA, INDONESIA
MAP 2.5 2011/10/22 07:45:44 37.854 -122.240 8.0 SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA, CALIFORNIA
MAP 4.6 2011/10/22 07:36:03 0.095 123.729 187.0 MINAHASA, SULAWESI, INDONESIA
MAP 2.8 2011/10/22 07:06:37 37.856 -122.242 8.0 SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA, CALIFORNIA
MAP 4.7 2011/10/22 05:24:37 -20.159 -174.038 46.9 TONGA
MAP 2.7 2011/10/22 04:14:47 38.834 -122.808 2.5 NORTHERN CALIFORNIA
MAP 3.5 2011/10/22 03:29:23 61.729 -150.908 43.6 SOUTHERN ALASKA
MAP 2.9 2011/10/22 00:22:57 57.467 -153.764 8.9 KODIAK ISLAND REGION, ALASKA
MAP 5.1 2011/10/22 00:18:02 -7.849 104.123 10.0 SOUTHWEST OF SUMATRA, INDONESIA

earthquake.usgs.gov...

2 is several now is it. I must remember that. The MINAHASA quake is a long way away and on a different plate.

I am aware of this from the 6th October: Indahnesia

I can't find anything on www.bmkg.go.id... about it either.

Forgot to add, note that the report of the 6th says 5000 per day. Guess Alvin is a bit out of date and can't count.

None of the serious volcano blogs are reporting anything, so I guess that leaves the Extinction Protocol out on a limb and late. Good job he is not reporting a serious extinction event or his adherents might not find out before it was done and dusted and they were all wandering around heaven saying what happened?.

Thank you!
Rainbows
Jane

Reference Number 3598531
Universal Time October 22 2011 at 13:19
NZ Daylight Time Sunday, October 23 2011 at 2:19 am
Latitude, Longitude 37.35°S, 177.73°E
Focal Depth 50 km
Richter magnitude 5.0
Region Bay of Plenty
Location
40 km north of Te Kaha
50 km east of White Island
90 km north-east of Whakatane
270 km east of Auckland

www.geonet.org.nz...
Felt widely in the eastern Bay of Plenty an on the Raukumara Peninsula. (28 reports)

nice red thump on URZ HH1

The cicada emergence must be linked to drought. Earthquake odds go up at the end of a drought. Cicada cycles can predict earthquakes.

No sources.
No proof.
No argument.

reply to post by Robin Marks


Its so the cicadas dont emerge at the same time as predators.
The wonderful world of prime numbers.

Because 13 and 17 are both indivisible this gives the cicadas an evolutionary advantage as primes are helpful in avoiding other animals with periodic behaviour. Suppose for example that a predator appears every six years in the forest. Then a cicada with an eight or nine-year life cycle will coincide with the predator much more often than a cicada with a seven-year prime life cycle.

www.bbc.co.uk...

reply to post by TrueAmerican


Nobody had replied to Gridrebel. I put in my 2 cents. Excuse me if I offended anyone.
Pardon me.

reply to post by relocator


No problems my friend. You have to remember time zones as well. Gridrebel's post came in at 04:20 my time and I had gone to bed and that would be Friday night and going out time for most in the States.

It is not often that something does not get answered on the thread, especially when it relates to HAARP and earthquakes!!

reply to post by relocator

Hi relocator,

I know you've responded to TrueAmerican but hope you won't mind if I comment...

One of the problems with replying to queries on more scientifically-oriented threads like this one is that some of them are about very specific, highly technical matters. I saw gridrebel's post when I logged in this morning (he'd posted at 5:20 am my time but I wasn't online then!) and I recalled that Puterman had commented on something similar on another thread recently. At the time I couldn't remember exactly which thread it was. But as he was the one most likely to have the data available and I figured that he'd get to it once he was able to -- I left it alone.

There have been some other queries lately that I could help with and so if no-one else had responded yet I answered them myself. There were one or two in that line just yesterday, actually. Most of us work the same way: we answer what we are able to.

This subject is so huge in scope it's almost impossible for any one person to know everything. Like, if it's a question about what a particular trace on a seismograph might mean, there are several people here who can give a pretty good answer, including Puterman, Muzzy, MoorOfNZ, TrueAmerican (especially for GEE queries). I can at a pinch, but I'm just not in their league, you see. For questions about the PNW region and especially seismic events, monitoring systems and also volcanoes there, Westcoast is a mine of info. For California, BerkeleyGal is right there and very knowledgeable -- and so on.

We all do what we can, but it's going to happen sometimes that even with the best will in the world, queries will go unanswered. The fact that we all had been focused on a pretty significant quake yesterday was another factor. These big ones don't come along every day (thank the Lord!) so when they do, there's often a lot to discuss and research.

Generally speaking, practically everyone here who follows quakes with a high degree of interest is willing to answer questions and help others to learn. But we're not some clique, by any means. We're also glad to have anyone join in and share experiences, insights and knowledge, so that we can improve our own knowledge and understanding of what are among the most important physical events on this planet.

EDIT: and a star for your post, mate. It was good of you to write what you did and it's appreciated. I've had to apologize a few times myself for saying things. I ain't no angel!

Best regards,

Mike

reply to post by remymartin


I'm with you. That robin guy is off in left field. Parasitic wasps time their reproduction depending on their prey. The prey will adapt and through mutation they will readjust their breeding if possible. If not, extinction. I noticed some of the cicada broods have gone extinct.

Arkansas seems funky. Got me scratching my head. Maybe someone's got a quad and is out hunting near WHAR. ('nuff robin. one or two wild ideas is enough for a day)

[color=87F717] Kermy Isles
Map comparing the July 6th 7.6Mw quake location and aftershocks to end July
with yesterdays 7.2mb, 7.3ML, 7.4Mw, 7.6Ms event
and various guesses by the networks as to the location

I believe there have been a number of aftershocks as well

this is day 295 ie the 22nd Oct UTC, Raoul Island Station
RAO BHZ
they must be less than 4.5, I can't match them with anything on the USGS lists, except that black to blue one at 9:39.5ishon the graph, which would be the Mag 5.0 at 09:38:42

Something is just not quiet right. Alaska did her little strange shake yesterday before the 7.4 +/-. Was going to comment on it but time being what is -- now

Magnitude 5.3
Date-Time Sunday, October 23, 2011 at 03:26:30 UTC
Sunday, October 23, 2011 at 12:26:30 PM at epicenter
Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones

Location 7.693°N, 134.705°E
Depth 58.9 km (36.6 miles)
Region PALAU REGION
Distances 44 km (27 miles) NNE of KOROR, Palau
427 km (265 miles) WSW of Yap, Micronesia
925 km (574 miles) E of Hinatuan, Mindanao, Philippines
1681 km (1044 miles) ESE of MANILA, Philippines

Location Uncertainty horizontal +/- 5.7 km (3.5 miles); depth +/- 12.6 km (7.8 miles)
Parameters NST= 80, Nph= 80, Dmin=>999 km, Rmss=0.8 sec, Gp= 65°,
M-type=body wave magnitude (Mb), Version=2
Source USGS NEIC (WDCS-D)


Event ID us2011sjaj

Source

Deep trench here from what I can pull up on this dreaded dial up. Just seems really out of place to me.

btw = TA = The nice guy comment was over the top = so very true. made me smile allll day - for the truefullness to the statement.

ETA = and this too

Magnitude 4.1
Date-Time Sunday, October 23, 2011 at 03:23:09 UTC
Saturday, October 22, 2011 at 10:23:09 PM at epicenter
Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones

Location 17.967°N, 81.442°W
Depth 10 km (6.2 miles)
Region CAYMAN ISLANDS REGION
Distances 147 km (91 miles) S of GEORGE TOWN, Cayman Islands
271 km (168 miles) ENE of Swan Island
376 km (233 miles) W of Montego Bay, Jamaica
874 km (543 miles) S of Miami, Florida

Location Uncertainty horizontal +/- 20.9 km (13.0 miles); depth +/- 3 km (1.9 miles)
Parameters NST= 24, Nph= 25, Dmin=151.4 km, Rmss=0.91 sec, Gp=137°,
M-type=body wave magnitude (Mb), Version=4
Source Magnitude: USGS NEIC (WDCS-D)
Location: USGS NEIC (WDCS-D)

Event ID usb0006bmj

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