I just left my wife because she is a climate change denier (I'm not kidding)

reply to post by ofhumandescent


Yeah i guess all this will serve the wife's needs very well. What about the kid?

Adults use the law and the kid as a instrument to make the other adult suffer. Unrestricted what it does to the kids feelings. I bet his wife will use the kid and the law for what its worth. Its all about personal gain and needs when i comes to a break up.

Welcome to the world of grownups.

It's not that climate change isn't real - it is - the winter solstice is tomorrow and the geese still haven't left (Wisconsin). It's that at this point we can't do anything about it. But the legislation being put in place won't help; it's a scam to make the elite richer, that's all.

reply to post by The_Liberator


Frankly, I think you are a liar. In your title you claim you left your wife because she is a climate change denier but in your post you say you left your wife because she is a narcissist. So when you said you had that conversation with your wife I can't help but think you actually didn't have that conversation with your wife.

I am REALLY, really, but really surprised at the quantity of misunderstanding your post has revealed... especially amongst the women, who identifying themselves, think this is about egocentrism, selfishness, and other ME issues...

To you OP, and to all the women especially out there, have you considered Post-Partum Depression??

From personal experience, living through it and counseling others through those very insidious times, judging from the limited information, and the young age of your child, it very well seems that your wife is carrying that burden with her.

In some cases, it takes YEARS to "shake it off", and unless serious counseling and genuine effort are put in, to the service of the marriage AND your child's well-being, PPD can and has in fact destroyed countless marriages... while the people in it waste time and themselves by blaming the crazy behaviors AND the responses it can elicit.

As a bit of initial advice, I would suggest to consider the possibility that this is something that can be worked out through qualified counseling, and to approach it as what it can be: a treatable, and eminently solvable syndrome your wife and your marriage are going through, and with your help, it can get better for all of you.

Not everyone can admit the need or agree to getting help, but in the case you can convince her and yourself of your sincere desire to fix things, if not between you two for your child's well-being, then you can BOTH begin to see past the little symptoms, and get to the core of the problem, where solutions might ensue.

Good luck, and bother not with the "advice" and criticism of those who do not understand what it is to be INSIDE that kind of situation...

Well a lot of the responses are really rude, so I thought I'd just say GOOD FOR YOU. You shouldn't put up with that kind of emotional abuse. I wonder if she'll realize it wasn't all you when the next guy comes along. Regardless of what you call it, she's been a total b*tch. Nobody deserves that.

reply to post by The_Liberator


Well congrats to your wife!!! I am very happy for her. Climate change is taking place on every planet in the solar system , Is pollution to blame for Pluto heating up? Wake up world ! For an abvious "progressive" you sure are paranoid by change. Climate is changing, its getting warmer? lol tell that to us in the north. we pray for global warming.

To OP: Sorry to hear that, your head must be melted!

Though, let me get this straight. You think that the Sun has nothing to do with our Planets climate?

If you think its not the Sun, then what do you think it is?

reply to post by The_Liberator


Even if your wife is narcissist, we all are to some extent, you really don't see what you did to her do you?

"I can't count the times that I have lectured my wife on being more caring when her f'ed up daughter is ill or in pain."

It sounds like you constantly lectured her. I don't care who you are, eventually the person being lectured constantly is going to put up walls, get angry, and feel they are being attacked. If she truly has a narcissist personality, then this would have expounded the problem.

Why did you feel the need to lecture instead of communicate with her? Lecturing is way different than communicating. My husband lectured me a lot, accused me of not caring, and etc. It is not that I didn't care, it was that I was too emotionally drained.

We almost got divorced, except God made a change in our lives, we got counseling, and he finally saw what he was doing to me. He was tearing me down to the point where I could not give emotionally to anyone. Since I was emotionally drained, I didn't have any to give to the kids. I don't have a personality disorder. I realized that as my husband changed, I needed to change and break down the wall I built for self protection. It was tough not to snap at him when he was actually trying to communicate with me. There were times when I wasn't sure if he was really trying to communicate, or if he was resorting to attacking me again.

It also sounds like you resorted to reports and studies to prove your point. Because you resorted to studies, you felt you were always right. When she brought up counter points reports, they were always wrong weren't they? If this built up long enough, no wonder she lashed out when you read the report that it was bad for kids to watch to much TV.

At this point in time, it wasn't a discussion or talking point. It was another attack on her, and how she handles the kids. You already lectured her quite enough on how she handled the kids in the first place. Really, how else was she suppose to look at it? With this attack, she just put another brick in the wall for self-defense, which severs the communication between the two of you.

Now after you lectured her about how she treats the kids, tell the report about how it is bad if the kids watch too much TV, you then have the audacity to buy a TV thus rubbing it in her face. By buying a TV you are also being hypocritical. Why buy a new TV when you don't want your kids to watch it as much? If the kids are not allowed to watch it as much, when will she ever be able to watch it, except to sit down and watch the kids shows because they may now only be watching an hour or half hour? That is not enough time to watch a movie. By the time the kids go to bed, more than likely she still doesn't have time to her self. Either she may try to pick up after the kids and you, is bracing herself for another argument, or is soo tired from the emotional distress that has built up in her that all she wants to do is sleep. I know that is how it was with me dealing with an extremely difficult husband.

"Once I asked her if she would mind getting me a towel after a shower and she said "yes massa" "

I said that to my husband also, and it is a statement that she feels like you are trying to control her life, and she feels that she has no room to breath.

"Used to hit her daughter constantly until I forbid it in our house."

That I'll admit is not good. Then again, if you don't believe in giving a swat on the but for misbehavior, you could very well see any spanking discipline action as constantly hitting. If she was constantly hitting your daughter, thus putting her in danger, why didn't you take your child with you when you left? If she wouldn't let you, why didn't you contact social services, or call the police? She was putting your daughter in physical and emotional danger. Or are you really just lashing out at her trying to make her look like a demon?

I know before when things were bad between my husband and I, he would have done the exact same thing as you did. Except he had more of a spine, and cared for his kid much, much more than you ever did. He would have never leave without his daughter, and he would have never let me leave with her. If I ever did, I know he would hunt me down to the ends of the Earth. Thankfully things never got that bad. I believe knowing he cared so much is one of the reasons things got better between us.

Don't even try to claim you love your child that much now, after you already abandoned her to her supposedly abusive mother who is incapable of caring about anyone or anything.

"My wife was abusing the sh!t out of me and I left. What is your point again?"

How did she abuse you? All you have shown is how much emotional abuse you have given your wife, and how she was forced to defend her self against you. I think you did her a favor by leaving. She is probablly much happier without all the stress you caused her. Now her life may be able to get back to normal. if your wife is narcissist, I can see where you really aggravated the problem to no end. You never said anything about trying to be compassionate and caring towards her. Yes you went to counseling, big whoop. You went to change her. It doesn't work that way, you need to go in and be able to see your own faults as well without laying all the blame on her.

Do you lay blame on everyone around you when things go wrong instead of taking a look at yourself? It is every ones fault but yours? You did nothing wrong. Am I Right?

"If she is willing to accept that she has a major MAJOR problem, then I am willing to consider moving back in. "

Wait a minute here. Did a doctor determine she is narcissist, or did you just label her yourself? There is a major problem if you don't have a doctor's backing on her condition. If a doctor or phycologist (spelling?) has determined her condition, why wasn't she prescribed anything, going to therapy, or something?

Or is it her condition is all in your head to justify your leaving, just as you are using your position on global warming to justify your leaving. It really now seems like all your doing is using excuses to justify your own behavior. If so, your the one who needs the help.

Further more, just because someone disagrees with you doesn't necessarily mean they are wrong, have a problem, or a personality disorder.

Just from what I read so far, is sounds like you are a control freak. Everyone must agree with you, or they are dumb. If they are smart, and you can tell they can more than hold your own against you, then you start labeling the person such as calling them deniers. I suspect you did some googling online, read about narcissism, and labeled your wife also.

All that I know as of right now is there is much more going on here than is being stated by you. It would be interesting to hear her side of the story. I'm not going to say I'm 100% right, but from my experiences with whom use to be an emotionally abusive husband who tried to control me with what ever means he had possible including storming out of the house threatening to leave. I can sympathize with your wife. The real problems is that for the longest time he didn't see or even want to acknowledge what he was doing to me. All he wanted was for me to see what I was doing to him. Finally, he saw that what I was doing to him was actually protecting myself against him and his controlling behavior. Yes, he did get angry, and I can see the anger coming from you as you talk about your wife.

It is definitely probablly a good thing you left when you did before she really got to the point of thinking that she is no good after being constantly being beaten down year after year. Her life is worth nothing, that the only thing good in her life is the children, other wise why live? If she was stable enough even after taking a beating on her emotions, she just might have divorced you and kicked you out instead.

Somehow I don't think you have been married all that long, especially if you only have one 8 month old child. I was in year 10 of being emotionally abused before I seriously started thinking of jumping off of a bridge. Thankfully we have gotten God in our lives. I'm sure without Jesus, he never would have agreed to the counseling. Since then things have just been getting better and better. One last point, it wasn't until we saw a christian counselor that things started to work out for us.

Things can still work out between the two of you, but you do need to realize what role you are playing in her behavior just as much as she needs to realize her role she is playing in your behavior. Both of you need to realize how you are affecting each other, and need to adapt to each others needs, wants, and desires. Only then can you really have a real relationship. If the councilor isn't helping you to see that, then either that is a terrible councilor or you just down out right refuse to see it.

reply to post by The_Liberator


Why a man and wife should agree on everything political or/and scientific to be able to live happily together?

Isn't there a saying "agree to disagree"?

I can prove scientifically and rationally by showing all the evidences in the scientifc literature proving that a certain food is good for our body and still I can not make my wife to eat it.

Rationality has nothing to do with the personal belief system. You just have to let it go.

Just tell her how beautiful and gorgeous she is and etc to boost her ego and tell her, by the way, the sun is not the cause of the global warming, then probably she will agree with you.

Well, at least, at that point she would care the least if the sun is the cause of the global warming or the carbon dioxide is.

reply to post by whoshotJR


That sounds about right.
He needs to sit down and have a long talk with Dr. Phil.
I'm sure the term "right fighter" will come up a few times.

Originally posted by the_denv
To OP: Sorry to hear that, your head must be melted!

Though, let me get this straight. You think that the Sun has nothing to do with our Planets climate?

If you think its not the Sun, then what do you think it is?

I heard that it is completely "Natural" for the Earth to go through an ice age about every 10,000 years.
That would happen if the population of the Earth was ZERO.
I also heard we are due for another ice age in about 1,500 years and that we do not have the
technology or the means to slow it down or stop it.
- Food for thought -

Originally posted by Psychotic
Im a bit confused. Global warming has been pushed down out throats for so long by corrupt governments who are desperate to convince the public that the world is heating up.

Now I believe that climate change may be taking place but only because this is something that happens naturally anyway all throughout earths history. Global warming is something I am very suspicious about....

If Global warming is taking place then why are our winters getting colder and more severe? Shouldnt they be getting milder?

Heck, winters around here are just getting back to the way they use to be when I was a kid. I remember being able to make a decent snowman, snow up to my head, having a blizzard, road covered with snow that couldn't get plowed enough, and many snow days. The school district is still the same with being the absolute last to cancel school due to snow and it being cold. It had to be really, really bad.

During the past few years, winters were warmer, there wasn't enough snow on the ground to build a snowman, let alone have a decent snow ball fight, or go sledding. It has only been in the past couple of years my girls have been able to build a snow man where it wasn't a stretch to find enough snow to build a decent sized one. Last year we rolled a huge base up from our back yard to our front yard. It was almost too heavy to push by the time we got it positioned. Yes, everything comes in cycles.

No, I don't expect snow up to my head any longer. Maybe up to my knees if a real snow fall hits, or an accumulation where it hasn't been moved or previously walked through. Last year was the first time my birdbath low to the ground got completely covered. It is probablly as high as my knees are if not a little taller.

I don't know what this says about you, but I found it amusing you cited an argument with your wife where you were trying to tell her that television was bad for your child. Then you went and bought her a television for her birthday? Seems ass backwards, sort of like your opinion that global warming deniers are incorrect in their positions. Just food for thought, you should think about it.

Well, counseling is probably a good thing for you both. It'll help. But, heres a comment from a physicist friend of mine on Global "Warming" and "New Ice Age".

Earth changes have gone on forever. Its how continents were carved out, changed and changed again. We tend to look at things as "Oh my gosh! We're going thru an Ice Age or Warming!".

We should realize that out of the millions of years of Earth history...this is all business as usual for it. Its only us and our limited aprox 80 average yrs of life we might expect, that we make it such an issue.

Nothings different in eons of Earth times...just another change. It makes the Earth what is is. Until the next cycle...hot or cold or burned to a crisp...begins.

hey!! forget about climate change ..!! you're a free man now

Originally posted by Mez353
This guy 'The Liberator' (Libby) is an irrational tool. The title of his Global warming thread screams for attention and this thread now takes the biscuit. Because there were a lot of people who stood up to him in his Global warming thread and his way over the top assessments and argued objectively against AGW WE are all mental and WE all have a problem. He will not discuss it further or take on board any of our opinions no matter what information we provide. Conversely, anything he posts is a fact, usually signing off with ‘The debate is over, the science is settled. Period. End of.’

Can anyone see any similarities here?

Libby, you are an attention seeking AGW whore who likes nothing better than to post on here to argue with people who don’t agree with you and drum up support from other likeminded and dim witted plebs.

(cue list after list of my posts in the global warming thread as response eh? You juvenile………)
She’s probably entertaining someone else by the way, that’s why she thinks you’re a bellend.

In other words, because he is trying to grab people's attention, his whole entire story about his wife and child could just be made up? He has no wife or child, but knew a made up marital drama would bring people in like flies drawn to honey.

Just in case he didn't make the entire story up just to be an attention seeker, I'll leave up my other post.

Welcome to our society, to our culture, where we fight over nothing. We have been taught that women are from Venus and men are from Mars. Is that based on science or the occult?

Our media tries to mold behavior, and to a degree they are succeeding. This is not accident. They are trying to mold our thinking to accept their crackpot beliefs.

Sorry for your personal troubles sounds like your disagreeing over "climate change" was the least of the issues.

I will Admit I saw "show on natgeo the other night about the alaskan permafrost melting and bubbling lakes releasing methane.It was quite dramatic...



WELL:

What are we as a civilization going to do to arrest the change in the climate of a whole freakin' planet?

Some of your very own "climate high priests" have said:

"if we stopped every bit of human economic activity it would not change the climate in any meaningful way!."

I live quite frugally already I watch my packaging &recycling; drive little; and usually take either the 70+ or 40+ mpg motorcycles when its not below zero. I'm not willing to try to sweep the ocean back off the coast with a push broom.The world is changing. So what. adapt.or die.

Don' tell me me paying tons of taxes will change anything.Except perhaps the leather in Al Gores' Gulfstream business jet.

reply to post by The_Liberator


It's interesting how two people can fight. where both people in the argument are so sure that they are the ones who are right and the other is wrong. I can see that your wife seems to be really difficult. I like how you related it to climate change deniers b/c climate change deniers, do, by chance seem to have similar personalities. Sorry it got the the point of leaving her but its probably the better. We all have similar situations.. I myself am living with 2 other guys as roommates. One of them is living on our couch scot free and complains about everything in the apartment like its his. I'm amazed sometimes at his audacity to complain about everything when he's not paying any rent.. I had no say in it with him being here either. He's my roommates friend and 5 months ago, shows up saying he needs a place to stay for a few weeks.. My roommate too is just as bad in his own right. Uses everything of mine, never pays me back and always, always eats my food. On the other hand, i'm sure they their complaints about me. So i guess the point is that some people just aren't willing to look from the other point of view. I think we are all like that to some degree. In my case, i will at least realize my issues that they may get annoyed over. b/c of that, i am more careful and more respectful though!

The rest of this post is relating to Climate change and NOT a reply to the original post. I just didn't realize how far I got off topic..

Why is it everyone raves mad and crazy when we pollute our waterways and we need immediate change for clean drinking water, but when it comes to polluting our atmosphere it becomes a conspiracy?? Global Warming is not the conspiracy. The conspiracy is saying that "Global Warming is a Hoax". So all the people who say its a Hoax, have been hoaxed themselves. I can look out my window and see Smog covering NYC and I don't have to go to great lengths and imagine that the same 'smog' covering NYC and all cities is enveloping our atmosphere. I don't need science telling me its real or not real. I know it is. I can rationally realize that all the cars on the road, all the buildings, all the homes and that 5 billion people on that planet everyday use energy! All this emits into our atmosphere at a staggering rate 24 hours a day. So, to compare how a natural gas can be harmful.. It is accepted that Nitrogen(which is a gas like co2) is creating dead zones all across the oceans. This excess Nitrogen is from farm run offs from animal waste getting into the waterways. This same run off has created a dead zone in the Chesapeake bay where over half of the bay is dead!! This nitrogen excess is from the sheer volume of farms along the East coast from farm animals, which got into our waterways emptying into the Chesapeake Bay. Nitrogen, like co2 in large quantities causes harm and damage.

We are harming our planet in so many ways that it will come back to haunt us. When that happens, everyone will finally wake up and wonder what went wrong.. It will only make life better for all of us to change.. Power outs can become a thing of the past, more people can become self reliant and so many jobs can be created. Finally, it can create such growth in this country that will last generations and once and for all bring back manufacturing.. So while the rest of the world moves towards greener pastures, America will fall farther behind b/c a select few people are too afraid to let go, not realizing the impact that this will have. (For which, the job creation will be slow so the transition from job losses in big oil to other energies will be over time and not a sudden financial collapse, like some politicians like to make it out to be..)

Climate change shouldn't just mean cleaner energy. It should mean everything. From saving our oceans to the health of our farm lands and Rainforests b/c everything is connected.

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Yeah I know about the natural cycles. I was just asking the OP why he thinks the Sun has nothing to do with climate change