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Originally posted by Oxize
Cables
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Originally posted by arbie
reply to post by GhostLancer
Did you notice the "LOL" part second line from the end ?....my example was not entirely serious....LOL (again) ...but seriously..you don't think that the emergence of a nuclear armed Soviet Union shuffled the deck just a little?
Originally posted by adamc3
reply to post by GhostLancer
Now I'm all for conspiracies, but to say that the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. were aiming missiles at the North Pole and not each other is, well, kind of crazy. The path of a missile over the north pole to either of the countries is considerably shorter than going around the globe. So it would be stupid for one country to send it's missile the long way around if the other could take a short cut over the pole.[/end]
I see your point. People were also "smart" back then. I agree with you that the shortest range from here to there is over the poles. No one, not I, suggested that sending missiles the "long way" was in any way effective or valid. It's basic science. Elected officials, their staffs, their "think-tanks," their generals, their scientists... would have taken that into account after about 37 seconds of thought. Probably less.
If what I've speculated (please refer to prior responses by me in this thread, as it's too long to quote) is true, then the BEST MINDS from the USA and USSR would have thought that out in less than 37 seconds. Why 37 seconds? Because it might have taken me 47 seconds, and I'm sure they were much faster and smarter, and the real time was probably closer to 22 seconds, 17 seconds if they had nicotine or coffee. 11 seconds if they had both. LOL
The point is that this was not some sloppy idea brought about by a team of first year undergrad students. IF any of the speculation were true, then it would make sense to have the BEST and BRIGHTEST minds of the day involved, minds on par with chess masters and the like. Minds like Nic Tesla and Albert. Not them, of course, but minds on that level of thinking.
Originally posted by adamc3
reply to post by GhostLancer
Secondly, the U.N. logo has a "hole" in the place of the North Pole because the logo shows the continents and land masses. If you were to take the ice away from the North Pole, it would look like a some-what round ocean - there is no land.[/end]
Well, that's sort of the point when it comes to Hollow Earth theory, that there is no land there, that there is a sea "hole" that rounds gently inward. You'd witness some strange "sky" anomalies where sea and sky blend, as told by many travelers in that region, but you wouldn't have any obvious signs that you were entering a gently sloping hole into the Earth's interior. Many explorers have told tales of "cities in the sky" and how the sea and sky were confusing to look at as they couldn't differentiate between the two, and of mysterious northern lights that confounded explanation. Why are their so many secret US submarine missions under polar ice? Why are there so many Russian ones? Yeah, "Cold War." Literally. COLD. War. Wouldn't it make sense for the Russians to send their subs into attack positions into the Gulf of Mexico? I'm sure there's a whole can of worms conversation about that, but really, the two nations facing off in the Cold War SURROUNDED THE ARCTIC CIRLCE WITH RADAR AND NUKES under the guise of potential war. Civilians were kept in a state of fear to justify military expenditures.
Originally posted by adamc3
reply to post by GhostLancer
The longitude and latitude lines do sort of look like a bulls eye, but I think they were just added to give it perspective. (and the actual globe in the statue looks like the whole thing is cut from a single piece of metal - without the lines the continents wouldn't have anything to hold them together.)[/end]
I'm not talking about the sculpture in the UN. I'm talking about the plain, flat UN flag ITSELF. Bullseye. No doubt. Bullseye. Maybe it's just me. Either way, it's coincidental, much like the morbid murals in the Denver Airport depicting dead mothers holding their dead children? Hide it in plain sight. The murals were removed because of the controversy.
Originally posted by adamc3
reply to post by GhostLancer
I dont disagree with you on the fact that after 1947 a lot of strange things happened/advances were made, but the capitalists and communists getting together to fight aliens from the North Pole is a bit of a stretch and actually sounds like a bad B-movie. [/end]
Oh, c'mon. It' sounds like a GREAT B-movie!
Very good points. Again, I state that my speculations are quite spectacular and "out there." However, they are not impossibilities.... We must each decide if the official story about the history of our world provided to us over the last 60 years is accurate. What is the track record of the US government when it comes to this, aside from Pearl Harbor, Gult of Tonkin, MK Ultra, 9-11 and WMD in Iraq? --aside from BIG CORPORATION interest in making money off of war? Aside from CIA cover-ups? Aside from the hypocritical secrecy surrounding UFOs and the official government stance?
Originally posted by GhostLancer
Originally posted by arbie
reply to post by GhostLancer
Did you notice the "LOL" part second line from the end ?....my example was not entirely serious....LOL (again) ...but seriously..you don't think that the emergence of a nuclear armed Soviet Union shuffled the deck just a little?
I didn't notice the LOL... Sorry. I do think that the emergence of a nuclear-armed Soviet Union affected the deck. However, it's a fact that the average person is generally, well, "good." The average person doesn't want WAR. They don't want CONFLICT. They don't want to spend money (tax dollars or otherwise) on arming a nation for WAR. So, for the *few* to get the *masses* geared for WAR, they must present a valid reason for the expenditure of resources, of manpower... of MONEY.
Many believe that Pearl Harbor was left open and vulnerable to attack to entice the Japanese to attack. Without going into a debate about Pearl Harbor, don't you think it is strange, or pleasantly *coincidental* that while our fleet was vulnerable at Pearl Harbor --our CARRIERS were safely hidden out at sea? Not a single carrier was in Pearl Harbor. Had our carriers been there... Japan would have won the Pacific. Yet... Pearl Harbor was the kind of fight most Americans believed in: you don't throw the first punch, but by God you finish it!
Many believe that the Gulf of Tonkin was a similar affair. In fact, nowadays, it has come out that it was nothing less than short of a pure fabrication. ...This leads to 9-11 as well. Again, keeping the discussion on thread...
People need an EMOTIONAL reason to go to war. They need to feel *threatened.* FEAR JUSTIFIES MILITARY EXPENDITURES. You can't simply start pumping billions (even back in the 1950s) into military expenditures without a reason. People would resist in a myriad of ways. But, if you can *manipulate* them into a state of acceptance, not to mention a state of *demanding,* --then you have them. Make them not only accept but to rally for what you really want... Well, then you've done it. The door was opened for the public support against a common enemy: THE USSR. We all know that Russian/Soviet propoganda painted the United States as villains to its own populace.
The Cold War *justified* the expenditures of UNTOLD amounts of money. It justified SECRETS. Both of which began an exponential journey that happened to originate in 1947 or thereabouts. We live in a world of secrets. Where those secrets intersect... Well, there is the answer to a lot of the "great unknowns" of our day. Much of the weird, strange and ill that affects our world TODAY began at the end of WWII.
Originally posted by sharpy777
Photos from a few kilometers up which are grainy and taken from an angle you arent used to can almost look like anything at all.
Really the only solid evidence comes with a eye level view or high res side angle shot which shows clearly what everything is.
Originally posted by daggyz
Point, everything has a reason when we know. These pictures are like watching paint dry... ie why? To gte hooked up on this means we've nothing better to do.