* American Revolution? * Obama fearing a revolution against him by the states?

Obama fearing a revolution against him by the states, has moved swiftly by nationalizing nearly all National Guard Forces in multiple states; Georgia, Alabama, Kansas, Minnesota, Tennessee, Virginia, Louisiana, South Carolina – to name a few. The Governors of the Great States of Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia still have under their Command-and-Control the State Defense Forces to go against U.S. Federal forces should the need arise. Also important to note: There are NO U.S. laws prohibiting National Guard troops from also joining their State’s Defense Forces. This dilemma occurred during the Civil War with many “citizen soldiers” choosing to serve their states instead of the Federal Government.

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Wow...Not that anything really surprises me anymore in the world we find ourselves living in but just in the last 2 years so much has happened and it seems things have been brewing for a long,long time...

9/11 being the catastrophic catalyst careening us on this downward spiral..I do not know how credible the source article is but it made me think and I just wanted to share it with any who may be interested,know a bit more about this subject matter and share our thoughts.

The two Governors leading this move are: Tim Pawlenty, Governor of Minnesota; and Rick Perry, Governor of Texas.

older video with relevant information:

A chilling report from the Foreign Military Intelligence Directorate (GRU) prepared for Prime Minister Putin warns today that United States President Barack Obama has had served on 14 US Governors National Security Letters (NSLs) warning that if their actions in attempting to form what are called State Defense Forces are not halted they will face "immediate" arrest for the crime of treason.

congress.org
Apologize if the source is not credible or the information has been covered before.Ijust now found it and the source article today.Thanks in advance.

Where is the link to some evidence, or credible proof. a youtube video is similar to a wikipedia entry, because ANYONE can create them.

I've always thought that a confederated America, where states didn't follow a federal law system, would be a better solution for freedom and democracy than a united America under leadership from a federal government. The position of POTUS needs to be abolished.
Can you cite your sources?

Edit: Most of what you posted was originally from April, 2010. Has anything new developed? I'm not quite sure what your motive is by making this seem new... Although, it's surprising that this is 8 months old and this being the first time I've heard of it.

It seems like any article that I read that starts of like this.

"A chilling report from the Foreign Military Intelligence Directorate (GRU) prepared for Prime Minister Putin warns today"

Turns out to be garbage. I think one person keeps writing these articles. There were lots of "Chilling reports from the Kremlin" during the oil spill.

I don't know.

then again this could be right on. lol

National Security Letters are not cease and desist letters.

According to wiki:

A National Security Letter (NSL) is a form of administrative subpoena used by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation and reportedly by other U.S. Government Agencies including the Central Intelligence Agency and the Department of Defense. It is a demand letter issued to a particular entity or organization to turn over various record and data pertaining to individuals.

A NSL would not be sent to a Govenor telling him to quit his actions. It would be sent to an organization asking them to turn over records. This is how they check phone records, bank records, and library records without a warrant.

Because of that I tend to dismiss the fourth and fifth source.

I am taking comfort in that it Sounds like a Sorcha Faal (" highly placed Russian sources") story: the wildest worst scariest made up crap that never seems to come to fruition.

So we're Okay for another day or two!

Originally posted by PerfectPerception
Apologize if the source is not credible or the information has been covered before.Ijust now found it and the source article today.Thanks in advance.

Do you still beat your wife?

Sorry if the unfounded inference caused you any inconvenience.

Ooopppsss too late, lie spread. Damage done.

I posted 3 links total.when I view the page it has two links labeled "link" right below the quoted text???
and one at the bottom labeled congress, here the links I posted and for some reason they did not show up I am guessing?

so urce

before its news

congress.org

reply to post by kinda kurious


do I beat or still beat my wife? what kind of comment is that exactly?guilty conscience or past experience?
I have not drawn any conclusion yet..I was simply posting something that I had came across and more or less wanted others take on it,any further information,opinions(which I now have yours...Thanks ) I do not see the need to be arrogant.

I never stated anything as proof,fact nor do I claim that the source was credible hence the reasoning I stated I was not sure.Since you know for sure and are already convinced your privy to the truth I must be spreading lies.
which I would never do willfully.I guess I was duped

The article does stem from legitimate sources,although I did further research and found only that it had dated back a bit ago.
when I did a search I did not come up with any relevant hits.That is why I had apologized in advance if it was previously covered or "old" news.The article was on 2 altnews sites and dated from yesterday.
My mistake as far as that goes.I did give the links to where I referenced my sources.
I am fairly new around here so if there were any black-listed sites etc.,I was unaware.
it was news to me.

reply to post by PerfectPerception


"Do you still beat your wife" is a well known entrapment question. There's no simple answer that is satisfactory. if you follow your instincts and shout "no!" you have tacitly admitted that you once beat your wife. Further, as soon as it is introduced into the dialogue, the assumption that the questioned person once beat his wife is ingrained in the listeners. This is the part that he was criticizing.

You came rolling in here with wild, unverified, and completely false allegations which would have easily been proven wrong if you had just taken a moment to look. However, you did not take that moment, and have put the "information" out there. There are now people who believe it, just as there are now people who believe you beat your wife.

I have seen this coming for a long time. Start with things like this:
Insider reveals secrets of North America plot It's their plot, after all, and not the People who are at fault here. It has been said that if history is forgotten, it will be repeated again. Friends, we are seeing a repeat of a thing that already happened in this country once.

Remember that classic Beatles song of the 1960s: “You say you want a Revolution?” Imagine this instead: a Devolution. Picture an America that is run not, as now, by a top-heavy Washington autocracy but, in freewheeling style, by an assemblage of largely autonomous regional republics reflecting the eclectic economic and cultural character of the society.

All of this adds up to a federal power grab that might make even FDR’s New Dealers blush. But that’s just the point: Not surprisingly, a lot of folks in the land of Jefferson are taking a stand against an approach that stands to make an indebted citizenry yet more dependent on an already immense federal power. The backlash, already under way, is a prime stimulus for a neo-secessionist movement, the most extreme manifestation of a broader push for some form of devolution. At an anti-tax “Tea Party” held in Austin, Governor Rick Perry of Texas had his speech interrupted by cries of “secede.” The Governor did not sound inclined to disagree. “Texas is a unique place,” he later told reporters attending the rally. “When we came into the Union in 1845, one of the issues was that we would be able to leave if we decided to do that.” And we, the People, Sovereign Citizens of our respective State governments, can do just that. It is not un-Constitutional , and is completely legal, except of course for Federal Law, which TPTB wish to be above our Natural Common Law.

First they tried to make us sick, or kill us, not completely clear on which yet. The People spoke loud and clear on this:
Nationwide Revolt Against Dangerous Vaccines Accelerates

Then we discovered that Eugenics existed:
Eugenics

And now we have the Obama Health Scare Plan:

t's 1,017 pages long, and apparently nobody has read all of it, but here are some tidbits. For anyone over 50, it's gets scarier the farther down you go (I'd really like to know what government employee with a God-complex wrote this):

Pg 22 of the HC Bill mandates the Government will audit books of all employers that self insure. Small businesses will abandon self insurance and go on Government insurance. So although proponents say that there will still be private health care, it’s simply a lie: this mandate will force employers to abandon their private plans.

Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill ? a Government committee will decide what treatments/benefits a person may receive.

Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - Your20healthcare will be rationed (as it is in Canada and Britain).

Pg 42 of HC Bill ? The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. You will have no choice.

PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise. Citizens and legal residents will pay.

Pg 58 HC Bill ? Government will have real-time access to individual’s finances and a National ID Healthcard will be issued.

Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Government will have direct access to your bank accts for funds transfer.

PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community organizations (read: ACORN).

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Government will create an Health Care Exchange to bring private Health Care plans under Government control.

PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Government mandates ALL benefit packages for private Health Care plans in the Exchange.

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specifics of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Government will ration your Healthcare.

PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Government mandates linguistic appropriate services. Example - Translate into English for illegal aliens.

You can type in the page numbers and look yourself.
frwebgate.access.gpo.gov... ... ih.txt.pdf

It's not like the States haven't told the Federals to stay in Washington....

A movement to reclaim for states all rights not specifically designated to the federal government in the U.S. Constitution is exploding across the nation, with 35 states already acting or at least considering such proposals – and one state lawmaker estimating the nation as a whole could save $11 trillion in coming years if it would succeed. WND reported not long ago when the number of states with lawmakers considering such sovereignty efforts reached 20. Now, according to the Tenth Amendment Center, such provisions have been launched in at least 35 states.

States to feds: Stay in D.C.!
I have been carefully watching this issue of State Sovereignty, and I have to say, something big is on the horizon.

Comparisons to pre Civil War posturing have been made....

"If Washington doesn't wake up and our economy keeps going the way it is going, I don't think we'll have to dissolve the union," he says. "It won't be able to stand."

Political revolts against federal laws are nearly as old as the nation itself. From trading to slavery to civil rights, states have felt put-upon by Washington's mandates. But it was a political standoff on Charleston's shores in 1832 that framed the argument leading to the Civil War.

It was a stand for state's rights that applied similar language to what we're seeing in the present-day debates over sovereignty, says Civil War historian W. Scott Poole, an associate history professor at the College of Charleston.

"I was fairly horrified actually," Poole says upon reading Pitt's House bill. "It clearly harkens back to nullification."

Popular state sovereignty bills draw comparison to Civil War posturing

Which direction this may turn is truly one of the most important things facing each of us in modern times The last time something like this happened, a bloody war followed, Americans against Americans, brother against brother, Father against son. I am in touch with several Militia groups, and believe me, they are locked and loaded, and chomping at the bit for some action. All the cops I have spoken to about this assure me they are on the side of the People, and we all know most of the soldiers will be. We are many, they are few. It's coming, I can feel it.

They have been warned...
American Militia Leader JJ Johnson Speaks to The US Senate
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Is America the Land of the Brave, or the Land of the Slaves? You, the individual America must decide that for yourself. We have been warned, many times, and we refused to listen. I talked about this a year ago in another forum, and was quickly banned for spreading dissent. Well, dissent made this country in the first place, and it was built by treasonous people. So here we are now, basically under Martial Law, and through my research I have found out that we have been under martial law ever since Lincoln declared it in 1861! As you may or may not know, martial law suspends the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Many people are completely aware of this, and some are doing something about it. If the Lessons of History are to hold true, we are headed for another civil war in the U.S. at least, and possibly throughout the West. With the current pre-eminence of capitalist systems, we are now seeing its efforts to extend its power and reach by its seizing control of the various societal (social) systems, and compelling them to conform to its inherent, technological value system. This is what we see occurring in the WTO, and CAFTA, NAFTA, and FTAA in the Western Hemisphere. In order to accomplish this, the capitalist/corporate nexus has had to break down or overwhelm the various value systems of the societies it wishes to control economically. It has done this through propagating cultural relativism, outsourcing labor, dissolution of borders, mobilization of labor, and suppression of representative democracies through undermining their essential, prosperous middle-classes. In order to accomplish this it had to first gain control of the mass media, use selective grants to influence various university systems - often through bought junk-science, and philosophically undermine nation-states in general through its nexus of tax-exempt foundations.

"In the beginning of a change,
the patriot is a scarce and brave man, hated and scorned.
When his cause succeeds however,
the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."
Mark Twain

"History is the lie commonly agreed upon".- Voltaire

"All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
- Edmund Burke

"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root."
- Henry David Thoreau

"..it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.."
- Samuel Adams

'By the time the masses see the bars the door will have already slammed shut.'
David Icke

Some good research links and Videos.....enjoy!

Constitution Class taught by Michael Badnarik. this guy should be president! What a good, intelligent, and knowledgeable speaker, he knows his constitution, and will teach it to you....

Part 1: www.archive.org...

Part 2: www.archive.org...

Part 3: www.archive.org...

Part 4: www.archive.org...

Part 5: www.archive.org...

Part 6: www.archive.org...

Part 7: www.archive.org...

You are most likely already a "terrorist" in the eyes of TPTB:
325,000 Names on Terrorism List

THE CONFEDERACY PROJECT

New American Civil War Recruiting Station

The Sons of Liberty

The Redcoats are coming!

God, Gold, the Fed and Capitulation For the Record

U.S. PATRIOT ACT HR 3162

Study links - intended to be printed, shared and disseminated. Ignorance is curable!

reply to post by Solasis


I fully understand now and besides the fact that something like this could of happened or could be happening is irrelevant.I jumped the gun and I was unaware of this sacha fowl or whoever the hell it is spreading disinformation.
it was the very first time I came across the article and allowed my ignorance(I am new on ats)
for that.I appologize sincerely.I would never directly or indirectly want to misinform anyone.
mods could you please delete this thread. Apologize for the inconvenience

reply to post by PerfectPerception


There is no need to apologize. We all come here to learn something. At least that is why we're all supposed to be here. You had information that you thought might be important. You brought it here and posted it. When it was "debunked" you admitted it was wrong.

I wish more people were so open to admitting they don't know everything.

There are hundreds of thousands of retired military officers, cia, fbi, nsa, etc....

That all love living like Kings on their plush retirements from the Federal Government....the States will never ever ever stand against the Federal Government and whatever evil it plans to do.

Those retired military officers, cia, fbi, nsa, etc. would all kill any State Governor who threatens those mens plus luxurious retirement checks.

If we have to force Americans to pay a new mandatory Federal Tax under the auspices of rationed nationalized healthcare.....you better believe Americans will pay their new mandatory Federal Tax.

People will die if you threaten their gravy train. Thus America will continue down it's road of enslaving it's populace to keep funding our King's.

reply to post by MikeNice81


I agree,and surely that is one of the main reasons that brought me here and keeps me coming back.
researching and seeking the truth,finding different answers to my many questions and usually leaving with more questions than I began with. thinking outside the box and reading others theories and opinions is interesting to me.
I only apologized because I would never want to mislead anyone as I myself would hate that to happen to me.
thought I did have something of value... on the surface though have to dig deeper next time.lesson in experience.
thanks for the kind words.

A chilling report from the Foreign Military Intelligence Directorate (GRU) prepared for Prime Minister Putin warns today...

LOL Thats all I had to read to dismiss everything else in the OP. I detect the evil stench of Sorcha Faal and am therefore nauseated.

Originally posted by Yellow Ledbetter
I've always thought that a confederated America, where states didn't follow a federal law system, would be a better solution for freedom and democracy than a united America under leadership from a federal government. The position of POTUS needs to be abolished.
Can you cite your sources?

Edit: Most of what you posted was originally from April, 2010. Has anything new developed? I'm not quite sure what your motive is by making this seem new... Although, it's surprising that this is 8 months old and this being the first time I've heard of it.

edit on 18-12-2010 by Yellow Ledbetter

edit on 18-12-2010 by Yellow Ledbetter because: (no reason given)

Yeah it is called the Articles of Confederation (AC). When the constitution was created they met to amend the AC. They had no authority to create a new central governing body and steal the fruits of peoples labor etc. A good start would be getting back to the AC. it had no power to tax or restrict commerce and the Statists didn' lt like that hence we got a constitution that gave them the authority to eventually morph into what we have today.
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