Americans----> You're FAT!

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


The history of Diabetics in my family is a hit and miss. Some who are over weight seem to develop it early and the others who maintain their lower body weight seem not to develop it. I know there are study after study out there saying there is a genetic connection but from what I've seen diet and lifestyle plays a very large factor.

reply to post by SLAYER69


I believe the genetic factors are more to do with the body's insulin response. we have interbred with other regions, so the genetics can be quite the quagmire.

Just like the references to "metabolism"...it is all insulin response. How well do you deal with sugar? My genes? Not so good at it.

Go to the tiny islands of Chuuk or Palau and talk to them about Obesity/Diabetes.

They will tell you it started when ships started bringing food from America.

The dioxins/toxins in the food did it.

The cure is to quit eating the poison being peddled on us.

Why gee thanks for noticing, I happen to love my glutes thank you very much. Granted they just sit around all day spreading their BS but that's besides the point. It is about time someone kicks them into action!!! HUUZAH!

reply to post by SLAYER69


Environmental factors (diet, exercise, smoking, drinking, etc.) influence genetic expression of genes that do, in fact, affect metabolic processes (blood sugar, fat deposition). Genetics play a role, no doubt; however, predispositions, in regards to chronic diseases, are heavily dependent upon one's diet and lifestyle.

reply to post by SLAYER69


Slayer this is the best tread ive seen in here. I appreciate the honesty with our fellow Americans. It is agreed just walk down the street right now and look at all the people and i bet you can count on one hand the amount of skinny people you see. But trust me you will need that hand and all your toes to count how many fatties you see out there. It disturbs me greatly to see these small children well not small but fat young children out there and the parents do absolutely nothing to restrain them from all the crap they eat. The schools are doing the best they can to make sure kids eat right and they are removing the Mc Donalds from them too. Thats right folks you heard me there was a high school here in Minnesota that actually had a Mc Donalds in it. Its gone now with no thanks to the school board they actually wanted to keep it because of the revenue it was generating was funding other aspects of the school. Mind you those kids still did not have text books to read. I wonder where it was going? Ahh getting off track here. Anyways yes were fat and its not getting better. I personally have joined a gym recently to get rid of the some of the weight I was gaining. Its working pretty good so far and its cheaper monthly than a twice weekly visit to a fast food joint. Just gotta stick with it. Anything is better than nothing at all. Instead of 2 burgers get 1 that there is my first tip for you. Second park a litter further out in the parking lot at your local convenience store so you have to walk a little more. And 3rd Stop drinking pop guaranteed you will get a headache when you quit but take asprin it will help and drink water or iced tea no sugar. That my friends is a good start and easy steps to living a healthier life.

Watch this Street View video its interesting what people have to say about Mc Donalds.
Mc Donalds

Very good thread! I myself, am constantly battling fat. I have a solid physique and I'm 5'9" 161 lbs. There really is no "secret". All those diet pills that claim to melt fat and reduce appetite are mostly a scam. In the short term, they may have little if any effect whatsoever. Eat right and slowly but surely step up your activity levels. Healthy foods are not THAT MUCH if any more expensive than junk. Examples of inexpensive healthy foods from each food group are oatmeal (unflavored, unsweetened), frozen veggies/fruits, eggs, and skim/1% milk. I have a high risk for type 2 diabetes given my family history, so I am pulling out all the stops and taking action!

Yeah, as I said this is a very good thread. I guess I have more that I would like to throw out there... with this "epidemic" there in my own opinion is MANY factors

-The additives in food now compared to many decades ago (high fructose corn syrup, trans fat, msg, enriched flours, etc)
-I think genetics may play SOME role, but no excuse altogether
-Much more sedentary lifestyles than in the past
-Junk food is cheaper than whole, healthy foods (I myself believe there is a way around that. Yes, it may cost more but probably not as much more as you'd like to believe. At any rate, trust me it's WORTH IT!)
-Emotional and psychiatric/psychological issues
-Society is peppered with fast food restaurants, vending machines, pop/soda machines, and many people have several kids to feed with little time. Food is literally EVERYWHERE and much easier to access than ever before!

I myself, can just never imagine letting myself go like that. Of course I used to be able to eat anything as much as I wanted and when I wanted and I would be just fine. I worked at a Pizza Hut when I was younger, so I did! After I turned 24, my metabolism declined. I got just a little porky nearly pushing 180 at 5'9". But for me, I just have body image issues which I am finding not to be such a bad thing these days!

Yet, there are some of us who eat sweets in moderation and are healthy. Common sense goes along way I think. Make homemade cookies and treats instead of buying them at the store; this way you know what you're putting in your food.

Thank you corn syrup!

Maltodextrin shall be my second line.

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


New (last decade) research does suggest not just a genetic connection but an epigenetic connection for diabetes and obesity.

forecast.diabetes.org...

Research in epigenetics took off after a 2003 study published in Molecular Cell Biology found that giving nutritional supplements to female mice during pregnancy could affect the color of a mother’s offspring’s fur as well as their risk of developing obesity, diabetes, and cancer. These changes were linked to the methylation of a single gene.

So not just what you do matters, but what your parents and grandparents ate affect your weight and chances for becoming diabetic.

And the breaking news is the bacteria in your gut may be making you fat. And it may also explain those people who can eat like horses and never gain weight.

natmednews.posterous.com...

Gut flora has also been linked to obesity. Over the past five years,
Jeffrey Gordon of Washington University
in St Louis, Missouri, and colleagues have shown that there are marked
differences in the gut flora of obese and lean individuals. Their
analysis suggested that the microbes in obese individuals are releasing
nutrients from food that would have remained undigested in lean
individuals. Importantly, they showed that transferring the microbiota
from obese mice into lean mice caused the lean mice to put on weight
(Nature, DOI: 10.1038/nature05414
).

Of course diet and exercise also matters, but for those who do diet and exercise, and are not losing weight they feel they should be, there may actually be a physical reason that is the case.

Originally posted by heavymetalgolfer
. I have a high risk for type 2 diabetes given my family history, so I am pulling out all the stops and taking action!

There may be some revolutionary treatments for diabetes in the near future. Researchers have discovered that if you eliminate the production of glucogon, no diabetes develops.

www.diabeteshealth.com...

www.sciencedaily.com...

I know it is biggest news to those with type 1, but its still of interest to those of us with family histories of type 2 also. I am doing what you do as well. Diet, exercise, keeping the weight normal, but its nice to know they are making inroads in case my efforts fail.

Good OP, I agree completely. I like to go to the beach whenever I can in the summer, and I work hard to make sure I don't gotta be embarassed to take off my shirt. It is definitely not just an american thing though, there are a lot of really really fat people here too. But then it has to do with how much they frikken eat up here... The local resteraunt, me and 2 of my friends order one large plate of fried clams, and usually don't even finish it between the three of us. Picture a platter plate, with a 6 inch mountain, and that is a serving. Many people order that for just themself! It did get a whole lot easier to keep in shape when I gave up soda and other sweetened drinks. The only one I drink now is tea and iced tea, made the old fashioned way.

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To share my own experience, and my observations on it.

Jan 3 i weighed 429. My son (5'10") had just spent about 4 months in a wheelchair for a broken femur, and had put on over 80 lbs, and was at 385. The majority of his problem is his body chemistry is a mix of my wifes and mine. I, at 400 lbs, look about 100lbs lighter. I am a former powerlifter, and have a big frame...with what used to be a lot of fat wrapped around it.

My metabolism is a typical "offensive lineman" metabolism, where i can eat what i want and not gain or lose much weight as long as i am active. Lower activity put about 150lbs on me since my wedding 16 years ago. My wife has the kind of metabolism that will never, ever see her lose weight (which i like, to be honest...i am a fan of the rubenesque). My son is about half way.

We have been doing a low carb diet. I stray from some Atkins concepts, but for the most part we are doing atkins. Since Jan 3 i have gone from 429 down to 342. My son has gone from 385 down to 307. He eats far less carbs than me, as he won't eat much veggies (i work flax into the diet, and he drinks metamucil and takes multivitamins). But my body will tolerate carbs a lot better than his. I could eat about 60 carbs a day before i stop losing weight. He can only do about 35. A slight difference in metabolism.

But the kicker is, his eating habits mirrored ours. Unsurprisingly, he had similar results, if not worse (my apetite with my wifes metabolism is a bad combination. she eats like a freaking bird, it is strange). We were big fans of pasta and rice. Fried rice at least 2 times a week (i make a killer fried rice), and pasta 2 or 3 times a week. Carbs, carbs, carbs. High glycemic diet, and it really took its toll on the two of us especially (my wife not so much, as she really eats very small portions).

I think that the connection is a similarity in metabolism combined with a similarity in eating habits. My oldest son took completely different eating habits. He is 20 years old, is 5'10', and weighs maybe 120 before he pees in the morning. But he chooses to eat different foods completely, and physically looks different because of it.

Sometimes i think scientists are full of it. The connections they see are intuitive and obvious, and do not need DNA testing to comprehend.

reply to post by queenofsheba


To go along with this, i would encourage you to learn to cook with flax. it adds a somewhat nutty flavor, will cut carbohydrates, and will increase fiber (who doesn't need more fiber, honestly?).

It has some nutritional value, but is a net zero in carbohydrates, due to all of its carbs being from fiber.

If you add splenda into it in place of sugar, you can really cut down on how fattening the cookies can be.

Flax...it is a great secret for whittling down on how much of those cookies stick to the hips.

I will also have to say it very unfortunate for those few whose obesity is beyond their control.
2nd

funny, but true tho 0

I have lost forty pounds,

New study finds the body is programed to fight weight lose, but I already knew that.
news.ninemsn.com.au...

The bad news for people trying to slim is that the body is programmed to resist weight loss, according to new Australian research.

It is well known that dieters and people exercising to shed kilos often hit a plateau - a point where weight loss stops that is difficult to push past.

Weight management consultants recommend longer exercise times, higher intensity or cross training to combat it.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan

 

The history of Diabetics in my family is a hit and miss. Some who are over weight seem to develop it early and the others who maintain their lower body weight seem not to develop it. I know there are study after study out there saying there is a genetic connection but from what I've seen diet and lifestyle plays a very large factor.

My daughter became type one at age 16, she eats like a horse and is skinny as a rail,

I am the only pleasingly plump one in my family, yet I have perfect blood pressure and blood glucose levels,

My husband is thin yet he had a heart attack at age 42, we are now in our sixties,

My father and grandfather lived until they were in their eighties, and smoked till the day they died,

I still believe many health issues are genetic, along with the nasty food we are provided.

AND THE MEDICATIONS WE ARE ON.

I raised two sets of children, my first set now in their forties, are healthy as horses, and were raised on fish and game very little processed foods or sweets,

My second set now in their twenties, I have one that is diabetic, and they don't seem near as healthy in many respects.

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Congratulations! How did you do it and how long did it take? I have 50 extra to get off of my body.

Interesting thread, some good comments and some hurtful ones.

I only want to eat at night, cant get a grip on day feasting.