The Secret To Surviving A Black Hole Is The Secret Of Gravity!

reply to post by AnotherYOU


rewards are best earned like "god" i'm not handing none of u sh*t

reply to post by metalholic


I don't think you are going to catch the eye of any 'higher ups' in a conspiracy theory forum on the internet, try sending U of Berkeley or someone a letter like this and see what you get as a reply, if anything. Your best bet would just be to explain what you are talking about and maybe someone will discuss it with you. I am actually interested in what you have to say as I always enjoy pondering about physics, but I'm not going to waste my time guessing about it, so please do explain?

There have been many times that I thought I had come up with some kind of logical stroke of genius idea in my mind, only to research it and find out it wasn't really plausible.

Originally posted by nivekronnoco
Um...
fail.

I'm going to indulge this guy Saturn. I've been on ATS for a good little bit, didn't join till about a good year after i started coming here. I actually got banned from posting because i called someone an A-hole and didn't know it was against the rules lol . but anyways, I've been seeing alot of your posts Saturn and i like a good amount of them, but I want to indulge this guy.


But back on topic, I can understand what you mean Metal when you want to keep a big theory of yours under wraps, but you are coming off a little narcissistic about it. But i think you and I might have similar theories.

I admit, i'm just a high-school graduate but i have my own reasons keeping me from going to college. I do however research and theorize about black holes and alternative explanations/technology ideas. Gravity, in a way, is like a gigantic magnet that attracts mass. It is like gravity is a force that attracts the common "frequency" that most all mass gives off, like a north pole magnetic frequency attracting a south pole magnetic frequency.

So in essence, you could escape a black hole by changing your "frequency" to the same as the black hole, by current black hole theory of it being a solid mass that has an extraordinary strong gravity. I personally think that there could be other possibilities of what a black hole is but thats because i think that most science about the universe is only based on theories with very little more than just hypothesis behind it. When i say that, i just think that we need to be more open to what the universe could be because all we have to go off of is what we see through a telescope.

But back on topic, I have a story I am writing called The Final Future and in it, space travel is by a form of a Gravity Drive. This drive uses gravity emitted by the ship to propel it to its destination by means of attraction. Ships "lock on" to gravity sources and change its frequency to attract or repel themselves as a means of propulsion.

Was I any sort of close to your theory?

reply to post by Lynexon


close enough i say thank you!

reply to post by Lynexon


Changing a frequency in the sense that you are talking about isn't as simple as tuning a radio, you would have to produce a massive amount of negative gravity, which would be another equally dangerous force in itself.

It's possible that 'dark matter' emits negative gravity, so how do you plan on harvesting enough of it to counter the massive and unpredictable force that is a black hole?

How would you account for the distortion of time?

reply to post by RSF77


u distort time by moving at the speed of light so time is of no issue also a black hole is nothing more then a spiral,pyramid,triangle,circle!

it has an exit at the other end its a tunnel!

all the energy that is consumes feeds another dimension or universe! energy never disappears or dies therefore it can be re used! obviously the energy consumed here is needed somewhere else!

reply to post by metalholic


Theoretically, it's impossible (for a human) to move at the speed of light.

Originally posted by metalholic
if you had no mass! could you then be capable of speeds u cannot accomplish with a rocket?

No...because you would have no mass...aka, you wouldn't be there. gah, your going all spiritual/astral travel..aren't you.

if you could create your own gravity would it then not be healthy to have extended flights of space travel?

If you think you have the formula to invent artificial gravity, then patten it asap and get a working prototype

if you could protect yourself of the crushing gravity of a black hole would it not be worth sending a satelite into it?

Of course...granted, it would be fairly dark, and good luck getting it back out considering the satellite would end up being crushed into the size of a proton..unless of course you used magic..in which case...sure..magic rocks.

if you knew how the pyramids and any other megalithic structure was built would it then not be safe to say u know the secrets of this planet aswell as the universe?

So..the secret of black holes is tossing slaves into them = space travel? I mean, if the way the pyramids were built somehow relates to the black holes...and it is pretty accepted that it was slave labor for the brunt of it...

erm...anyhow, we have no slaves...yet -eyes sweden-

if u say no then you need to re-examine who the idiot is!

heh
If you do not think exactly how I do...your an idiot.

ya, your a gem.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
If you think you have the formula to invent artificial gravity, then patten it asap and get a working prototype

You can 'fake it' with centrifugal force, but that takes mass just like everything. If I'm correct you can make a 1km diameter circular tube can rotate at 1rpm and create 1g of fake gravity.

Originally posted by metalholic
u distort time by moving at the speed of light

That is basically what I am asking, trying to enter a black hole would quickly accelerate you to near that speed, killing you with an incredible amount of g force, among other things.

Originally posted by RSF77

Originally posted by SaturnFX
If you think you have the formula to invent artificial gravity, then patten it asap and get a working prototype

You can 'fake it' with centrifugal force, but that takes mass just like everything. If I'm correct you can make a 1km circular tube can rotate at 1rpm and create 1g of fake gravity.

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Yes, but the spinny space stations simply aren't cool enough for starships...I want Enterprise already..we see endless sci-fi programs with space ships all having their artifical gravity...I wants...and I wants now!!!

reply to post by RSF77


not if u created ur own little universe inside this universe!

everything is infinite!

our earth is a universe inside this universe it has its own gravity it has its own energy it contains a mass amount of life it itself is a living entity and it has a consciousness!

so theoretically if u took a ship and u basically made a "bubble" around it that protected it from gravity but it had its own gravity humans could move at the speed of light b/c without any mass to enforce gravity and polarly switching the gravitorial pull u have now became as light as a photon!

how do u think an adavnced species would do it? they would understand what i'm sayin and have perfected it!

Originally posted by metalholic
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not if u created ur own little universe inside this universe!

everything is infinite!

our earth is a universe inside this universe it has its own gravity it has its own energy it contains a mass amount of life it itself is a living entity and it has a consciousness!

so theoretically if u took a ship and u basically made a "bubble" around it that protected it from gravity but it had its own gravity humans could move at the speed of light b/c without any mass to enforce gravity and polarly switching the gravitorial pull u have now became as light as a photon!

how do u think an adavnced species would do it? they would understand what i'm sayin and have perfected it!

That sounds nice in theory, the problem would be accomplishing that. You would have to figure out how to make your own micro dimensional bubble inside this universe that would defy its physical laws.

With any luck it will work like the chemical bonds in water and we can just touch the edge of the universe and gather a little nothingness, taking it with us surrounding our spaceship where we would be immune to any forces imposed on us inside our own universe.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Yes, but the spinny space stations simply aren't cool enough for starships...I want Enterprise already..we see endless sci-fi programs with space ships all having their artifical gravity...I wants...and I wants now!!!

I know right, when do I get my cool spaceship with warp drives and photon torpedos.

This is an interesting read if anyone wants to take a gander:
cosmology.berkeley.edu...

Originally posted by metalholic
how do u think an adavnced species would do it? they would understand what i'm sayin and have perfected it!

There is alot of speculation about FTL travel.
bubble falling is one of the lamer versions...the typical understanding that doesn't break the laws of physics is simply bending space by using point to point gravitational singularities on the same frequency, pulling the space in between from being a million like years, to a condensed like mile wide..then simply skipping over the condensed space and releasing the field so things pop back to normal.

of course, this is just sci-fi. total hypothetical near stoner talk physics..but possible

Michau Kaku has done a couple segments on the theory.

Originally posted by RSF77

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Yes, but the spinny space stations simply aren't cool enough for starships...I want Enterprise already..we see endless sci-fi programs with space ships all having their artifical gravity...I wants...and I wants now!!!

I know right, when do I get my cool spaceship with warp drives and photon torpedos.

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Actually, I would settle for my own personal holodeck...Space can wait.

This is hilarious!
Paraphrasing the OP :"I have the secret of the Universe, But because I am the only one that could understand it. I ain't tellin'."

If you want anyone in Cosmology to take you seriously:
Two clues for ya metal:
1)Learn to do the math to describe your "theory"
It is the language of physics and cosmology...Dude.
2)Read the books by the guy in my signature line,
R.P.Feynman. He was a metalhead too! I mean..really heavy metal...like Plutonium-232 heavy. Or better yet....Start with books by a guy named Newton, and go from there.
Good luck.

Originally posted by Zeptepi
R.P.Feynman. He was a metalhead too! I mean..really heavy metal...like Plutonium-232 heavy. Or better yet....Start with books by a guy named Newton, and go from there.
Good luck.

Feynman is some heavy reading in some areas..but slightly outdated.

I typically recommend people read Drexler first (Engines of creation is still free online)...that allows people to have a serious interest in a bunch of fields while getting a good dose of fantasy "wow" ideas.

Problem is, Drexler may be a bit too far fetched...at least for the near future...bit like Kurzweils fantasy singularity.

Anyhow...I wasn't aware that Feynman was much into cosmology...granted, I mostly looked at his nanotech papers and speeches...but I thought that was his main gig..

Smart chap, total visionary..

if 250 ton stones can be made to float!

my theory would work!

jus sayin!

i think the first statement says enough about our capabilities folks!

reply to post by metalholic


Well give it a shot, you would make it on TV at least, as cosmic background radiation on the static channels.

You are just too far ahead of your time, there's nothing to say that it can't be done (except the laws of physics), but you just need a few things that are a bit out of reach for us right now:

1) An amount of energy on a scale that is almost unimaginable.

2) A way to travel faster than the speed of light and/or you need to figure out how to make yourself and your spaceship absent of mass.

3) To figure out if, in fact, there is something other than just a point of singularity in the center of a black hole.

4) Some kind of shielding from intense gamma radiation.

5) Possibly a massive source of negative gravity

6) A bunch of other stuff that would be pretty difficult to come by.

reply to post by RSF77


everything that exists in our universe which is very small actually. you say how could this be we do not even know where it ends yet! i say infinite everything is!

there is never an ending b/c there is always a beginning! the reason everything exists is b/c it does not exist!

and b/c nothing exists everything exists! there can never be nothing there always has to be something and b/c there is something there is nothing!

it's like this no one can see your soul but you have one you might not even be aware you have one but you do. you can't see it so there is never any proof that you have one except for the proof's and philosophies of those that believe in them!

so to ever actually prove a soul right now is impossible! BUT they exist!

well to prove everything is infinite is like ur soul u can't point it out on the horizon to someone but its true!

this is why the universe is small b/c it is something that is of something else! SYMMETRICS!

anyways this is how it works! the universe vibrates to a frequency! everything is based off a vibrational sound! BINARY is the universal language! binarial beats!

anyways through frequency you can change the polar magnetism of an object! the guy who built the coral castle knew this that is how he done what he done ALONE and with a tripod and some box!

all he done was switch the magnetism of them stones opposite to that of the earth there fore making it weightless! light is weightless is it not?

therefore apply this to space craft! then through syntrifical force create ur own gravity inside! if u can accomplish these things and travel space what couldnt u do?

we can do this stuff with TODAY'S technology..u know why u dont know alot about it?

b/c the government dont want u to know ur wasting ur money buying half the sh*t they offer us!

b/c we are capable of so much more...we are gods!