Israeli Nuclear Complex Revealed (sort of)

They are nothing like the photos that got Mordechai Vanunu into hot water, but the public can now see images of the top-secret Dimona nuclear complex in Israel via the facility's new website.

Israeli Nuclear Complex Online

The world got its first official but unrevealing look inside Israel's top-secret Dimona nuclear complex on Sunday, courtesy of a new Internet site launched by the country's Atomic Energy Commission. But a color photo of what Israel calls the Nuclear Research Center Negev -- and where outside experts suspect nuclear warheads have been made -- kept the view limited to a clipped, tree-lined lawn leading to a white-domed reactor in the background.

Israel Atomic Energy Commission (English Translation)


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Originally posted by Spectre
They are nothing like the photos that got Mordechai Vanunu into hot water, but the public can now see images of the top-secret Dimona nuclear complex in Israel via the facility's new website.

Great set of links. I wonder were in the country they have the ready to use nuclear weapons stored. Id bet they have them ready to go at a moments notice.????

As asked my the Mod I will post here in the original thread:

Israel's Dimona Plant - Illegal Nuclear Weaponry

Nuclear Dimona Plant - Israel cannot be touched.

The readily acknowledged fact is that Israel has been one of the world�s worst offenders in the development of internationally prohibited nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. They have repeatedly violated UN international policies and have never allowed any sort of International inspection of their facilities, not even from the United States, the nation that has certainly provided most of the military funding that Israel has used for such projects. Does the United States call for the blockade of Israel for such offenses? Does it make billions of dollars of American military aid to Israel contingent on Israel honoring its commitments not to develop biological, chemical and nuclear weapons?
The former American Secretary of State said she was willing to cause the death of 500,000 children in order to slow the spread of biological and chemical weapons, but she was just as willing to continue to help finance the development and spread of those kinds of horrendous weapons in Israel. Is it any wonder why such double standards are increasing hatred toward the United States?

Spotlight on Israel's nuclear facilities: news.bbc.co.uk...

Ariel Sharon sticks to nuclear policy - news.bbc.co.uk...

Israel's nuclear programme - news.bbc.co.uk...

BUT ALSO - In the plant Israel has developed Ethnic-Bomb: www.abovetopsecret.com...

An entirely new kind of weapon is now under development in the Supremacist State of Israel. It is an ethnically targeted, biological bomb. The Sunday Times in Great Britain revealed that Israel has been developing a terrifying new kind of biological weapon. The story broke at the same time America was getting ready to bomb Saddam Hussein for not allowing weapons inspectors into
his country.

Israel planning 'ethnic' bomb as Saddam caves in
by Uzi Mahnaimi and Marie Colvin

ISRAEL is working on a biological weapon that would harm Arabs but not Jews, according to Israeli military and western intelligence sources. The weapon, targeting victims by ethnic origin, is seen as Israel's response to Iraq's threat of chemical and biological attacks. Yesterday Saddam hussein, the Iraqi leader, backed away from the brink of war and agreed to resume co-operation with the inspection teams seeking his suspected chemical and biological weapons plants.
Kofi Annan, the United Nation secretary-general, said he believed Iraq had met UN requirements. As Britain and America stood by to bomb Saddam, however, Tony Blair's office said compliance must be unconditional. The White House, which is threatening Iraq with the biggest onslaught since the Gulf war, said President Bill Clinton's advisers were assessing whether Iraq's offer was adequate. The Pentagon is ready to bomb within days�
In developing their "ethno-bomb", Israeli scientists are trying to exploit medical advances by identifying distinctive genes carried by some Arabs, then create a genetically modified bacterium or virus. The intention is to use the ability of viruses and certain bacteria to alter the DNA inside their host's living cells. The scientists are trying to engineer deadly micro-organisms that attack only those bearing the distinctive genes. The programme is based at the biological institute in Nes Tziyona, the main research facility for Israel's clandestine arsenal of chemical and biological weapons. A scientist there said the task was hugely complicated because both Arabs and Jews are of semitic origin. But he added: "They have, however, succeeded in pinpointing a particular characteristic in the genetic profile of certain Arab communities, particularly the Iraqi people." The disease could be spread by spraying the organisms into the air or putting them in water supplies�
The idea of a Jewish state conducting such research has already provoked outrage in some quarters because of parallels with the genetic experiments of Dr Josef Mengele, the Nazi scientist at Auschwitz. Dedi Zucker, a member of Knesset, the Israeli parliament, denounced the research yesterday. "Morally, based on our history, and our tradition and our experience, such a weapon is monstrous and should be denied," he said.
�William Cohen, the American defence secretary, revealed that he had received reports of countries working to create "certain
types of pathogens that would be ethnic-specific". A senior western intelligence source confirmed last week that Israel was one of the countries Cohen had in mind. The "ethno-bomb" claims have been given further credence in Foreign Report, a Jane's publication that closely monitors security and defence matters. It reports unnamed South African sources as
saying Israeli scientists have used some of the South African research
in trying to develop an "ethnic bullet" against Arabs. It also says Israelis discovered aspects of the Arab genetic makeup by researching on "Jews of Arab origin, especially Iraqis"� (Mahnaimi, Uzi and Colvin, Marie. Israel planning 'ethnic' bomb as Saddam caves in. The Sunday Times in the UK. Nov. 15.)
Additional reporting: Matthew Campbell in Washington, Hugh McManners

Israel, of course, has denied this story that appeared in one of the most respected newspapers of the world, just as it denies every other criticism against them. But, tellingly, it also continues to deny any access or inspections of its weapons facilities, including those biological weapons facilities the United States has already identified and has acknowledged in the Israeli State.
The fact that Israel would even consider developing such a biological weapon in the light of their endless demonization of the Nazis has monstrous implications. Whether or not the Nazis are truly guilty of all the accusations the Jews have levied against them, the Israel of the 21st Century is approaching in reality the extremes of racial Supremacism of which the most supremacist Nazi could only have dreamt.

It was the highly respected Sunday Times here in England that reported it. THe link to the websites article is here but taken down:

www.sunday-times.co.uk...

And here:

www.times-archive.co.uk...

I did have a copy of the paper so I will find it and take a photo. Have a look at the internet archives websites and you will see. Please see below for more links:

jerusalem.indymedia.org...

www.peace.ca...

Also reported by Alex Jones's PrisonPlanet (left hand side): 66.102.9.104...:JcvMdVoKfF8J:www.prisonplanet.com/03_10_03.html+%22Israel+planning+%27ethnic%27+bomb+as+Saddam+caves+in%22&hl=en />

And here: www.mail-archive.com...@listserv.aol.com/msg39050.html

But not a damned thing will be done to that Racist Supremacist country because they control America. Just like their ILLEGAL nuclear weapons and the fact they break internation laws and won't let inspectors in!

I will take a photo of the article but if you still have doubts please email the paper.

www.ihr.org...

More on Israeli treachery: www.abovetopsecret.com... (scroll down for my post)

Also, here for Israeli ILLEGAL Nuclear Weapons: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by The Hunter
As asked my the Mod I will post here in the original thread:

Israel's Dimona Plant - Illegal Nuclear Weaponry

Nuclear Dimona Plant - Israel cannot be touched.

The readily acknowledged fact is that Israel has been one of the world�s worst offenders in the development of internationally prohibited nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. They have repeatedly violated UN international policies and have never allowed any sort of International inspection of their facilities, not even from the United States, the nation that has certainly provided most of the military funding that Israel has used for such projects. Does the United States call for the blockade of Israel for such offenses? Does it make billions of dollars of American military aid to Israel contingent on Israel honoring its commitments not to develop biological, chemical and nuclear weapons?
The former American Secretary of State said she was willing to cause the death of 500,000 children in order to slow the spread of biological and chemical weapons, but she was just as willing to continue to help finance the development and spread of those kinds of horrendous weapons in Israel. Is it any wonder why such double standards are increasing hatred toward the United States?
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Israel never signed the NPT, meaning there is nothing illegal in us having nuclear weapons, and the UN is aware of it. Not to mention that we have them for more than 2 decades, and we haven't done anything with them other than building them. If Israel is so evil and dangarous, why hasn't it destroyed Iran, Lebanon and Syria with its nuclear weapons? Because they first want to manufacture enough nuclear bombs to destroy the whole world?

I wonder where all that hatred and ignorance comes from. To me it seems like the only reason why so many people hate the US is only because of people like you, who spread nothing but lies about Israel and the Jews, making them and everyone who supports them look evil and immoral.

Shame on you.

Originally posted by The Hunter

Israel planning 'ethnic' bomb as Saddam caves in
by Uzi Mahnaimi and Marie Colvin

ISRAEL is working on a biological weapon that would harm Arabs but not Jews,

That would be kind of difficult, since the two populations interbreed and share many genes.

Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by The Hunter

Israel planning 'ethnic' bomb as Saddam caves in
by Uzi Mahnaimi and Marie Colvin

ISRAEL is working on a biological weapon that would harm Arabs but not Jews,

That would be kind of difficult, since the two populations interbreed and share many genes.

Possibly true, but did you know that it is illegal to interbreed in Israel, they have strict race laws their.

Israel itself came into being by massive ethnic cleansing and displacement of Palestine�s indigenous population. At the time of the Balfour Declaration in 1917, Jews made up only 10 percent of the population of what today is Israel. After most of the Palestinian population had been driven out by terrorism in 1947 and 1948, Jewish Supremacists established Israel. The Zionist state still scrupulously preserves the cultural and genetic identity of the Jewish people.
Israel protects its Jewish control over their ethnic enclave by carefully guarding its ethnic makeup. It bases its immigration on a genetic standard and limits immigration almost exclusively to those of biological Jewish descent. An atheist Jew from New York City who has never stepped foot inside Israel is financially encouraged to immigrate, while hundreds of thousands of Palestinians whose families have lived there for thousands of years are forbidden to return to the place of their birth.

Israel is not a "multicultural nation." It is unashamedly a Jewish state devoted exclusively to the interests of the Jewish people. A nation
with a sizable Palestinian minority, it is certainly the most rigidly segregated society in the world. Separate schools exist for Jews and
Arabs, separate apartment complexes, separate neighborhoods and
separate settlements. Many laws and regulations adversely affect Palestinians
as compared to Jews. For instance, Palestinians are forbidden by law from joining the military. In spite of their 22 percent of the population, (close to double that of African Americans in America) there has never been a Palestinian member of the Israeli cabinet. A former member of Israel�s Supreme Court, Haim Cohen, described the system that applies to Jews and Palestinians in Israel as similar to "Nuremberg laws" of Nazi Germany:

...the bitter irony of fate which has led the same biological and
racist laws propagated by the Nazis and which inspired the infamous
Nuremberg laws, to serve as a basis for the definition of Judaism
within the State of Israel.

[edit on 17-8-2004 by The Hunter]

Originally posted by The Hunter

Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by The Hunter

Israel planning 'ethnic' bomb as Saddam caves in
by Uzi Mahnaimi and Marie Colvin

ISRAEL is working on a biological weapon that would harm Arabs but not Jews,

That would be kind of difficult, since the two populations interbreed and share many genes.

Possibly true, but did you know that it is illegal to interbreed in Israel, they have strict race laws their.

Israel itself came into being by massive ethnic cleansing and displacement of Palestine�s indigenous population. At the time of the Balfour Declaration in 1917, Jews made up only 10 percent of the population of what today is Israel. After most of the Palestinian population had been driven out by terrorism in 1947 and 1948, Jewish Supremacists established Israel. The Zionist state still scrupulously preserves the cultural and genetic identity of the Jewish people.
Israel protects its Jewish control over their ethnic enclave by carefully guarding its ethnic makeup. It bases its immigration on a genetic standard and limits immigration almost exclusively to those of biological Jewish descent. An atheist Jew from New York City who has never stepped foot inside Israel is financially encouraged to immigrate, while hundreds of thousands of Palestinians whose families have lived there for thousands of years are forbidden to return to the place of their birth.

Israel is not a "multicultural nation." It is unashamedly a Jewish state devoted exclusively to the interests of the Jewish people. A nation
with a sizable Palestinian minority, it is certainly the most rigidly segregated society in the world. Separate schools exist for Jews and
Arabs, separate apartment complexes, separate neighborhoods and
separate settlements. Many laws and regulations adversely affect Palestinians
as compared to Jews. For instance, Palestinians are forbidden by law from joining the military. In spite of their 22 percent of the population, (close to double that of African Americans in America) there has never been a Palestinian member of the Israeli cabinet. A former member of Israel�s Supreme Court, Haim Cohen, described the system that applies to Jews and Palestinians in Israel as similar to "Nuremberg laws" of Nazi Germany:

...the bitter irony of fate which has led the same biological and
racist laws propagated by the Nazis and which inspired the infamous
Nuremberg laws, to serve as a basis for the definition of Judaism
within the State of Israel.

[edit on 17-8-2004 by The Hunter]

"Driven out by terrorists?" How can you expect people to belive you when you say thing that are not only completely unsupported by facts and history, but can also be proven to be wrong quite easily?

The Palestinian refugees were created as a result (and during) the 1948 war. Why did this war happen? because Israel was evil and wanted to kill everybody? Not really. In 1947 the UN proposed a partition plan to devide the land between Jews and the Arabs, and by doing so to create 2 states. The Jews agreed, because that was their main goal from the start (to create a Jewish homeland), the Arabs didn't. Not only they didn't agree, but ALL of the Arab countries surronding us (AND the palestinians) decided its time to destroy Israel, and murder its population. But the Jews were underastimated, and eventually they won this war mainly out of self defence. As a result they got most of the country, and in the process of this war - many palestinians became refugees (and this even wouldn't have happened if they didn't chose to destroy and murder all of the Jews in this area). Jewish terrorism? right :-/

Palestinians can't join the military because 99 percent of them hate Israel and Jews. They brainwash their children in schools to hate us. However muslims such as Beduins and Druses, who have good relations with Israel, do join our army, and even serve in combat units.
Does that seems odd to you? Are al-quaeda members allowed to join the US army?

Israel has several pro-palestinian arabs in the Knesset, they even have thier own political parties there. Are there any ex-Taliban leaders in the US governemt?

Most of the Israeli arabs (I don't mean the palestinians) do not live with the Jews, mainly because eventually it will lead to another murdered Jew (and this already happened before), however, Arabs do use freely our busses, they do go to out to Jewish malls and shops, and you can see lots of them on the streets of Israel, and we treat them with respect.

We do not live with the Palestinians mainly because the last time 2 Israeli soldiers arrived to some palestinian town by mistake - they were lynched by several dozens of palestinians.

The result?


And with all the respect, you should really read what the nuremberg laws were before you start talking about them.

lets see:

1935 - Jews were forbidden to join the Wehrmacht (But anlike the palestinians - the Jews loved their country (germany), and were not terrorists), and in the summer of the same year, anti-Jewish propaganda appeared in Nazi-German shops and restaurants

15 September 1935 - "Law for the Protection of German Blood and Honour" was passed preventing marriage between any Jew and non-Jew. (while in Israel many Jews marry arabs)

1936 - Jews were banned from all professional jobs, effectively preventing them having any influence in education, politics, higher education and industry. Because of this, there was nothing to stop the anti-Jewish actions that spread across the Nazy-German economy.

March 1938 - Government contracts could not be awarded to Jewish businesses. On 30 September of the same year, "Aryan" doctors could only treat "Aryan" patients. This was ridiculous, since Jews were banned from being doctors or having any professional jobs. This severely limited the doctors Jews could go to for healthcare.

17 August - Jews had to add "Israel" (males) or "Sarah" (females) to their names, and a large letter "J" was to be imprinted on their passports on 5 October. On 15 November Jewish children were banned from going to normal schools (Palestinians and Arabs CAN go to Jewish schools, and some schools were created directly for that purpose. However - since they hate Israel so much, most of them are not willing to do so). By April 1939, nearly all Jewish companies had either collapsed under financial pressure and declining profits, or had been persuaded to sell out to the Nazi-German government.

On 7 November 1938 - a young Polish Jew attacked and shot two German officials in the Nazi-German embassy in Paris. He was angry about the treatment of his parents by the Nazi-Germans. Goebbels took the opportunity to impress Hitler, and ordered retaliation. That night the SS conducted the Night of Broken Glass ("Kristallnacht"), in which the storefronts of Jewish shops and offices were smashed and vandalised. Approximately 100 Jews were killed, and another 20,000 sent to the newly formed concentration camps.


Hmmm, it is about as similar to the Israeli laws as your claims are similar to what this site tries to represent ("Deny Ignorance").


Have a nice day.



[edit on 17/8/04 by Transc3ndent]

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[edit on 17-8-2004 by The Hunter]

Right, let's talk about this. Odviously not here as the thread will get locked or moved and I really shouldn't be going off topic. Is their anywhere on this board we can discuss this like rational and intelligent men? Start a thread soemwhere in an appropriate section and I would love to debate this with you - It's what I am good at. Besides, what about the huge organisations like "Jews against Zionism" that say exactly the same and have spent over 50 30 years exposing this? Shahak, Roth, Cantor, Freidman - all Jews that have said this independently. But hey, if you want to debate let's do it in an appropriate place. I am quitre new here so you may know of a better place or section?

Originally posted by The Hunter

Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by The Hunter

Israel planning 'ethnic' bomb as Saddam caves in
by Uzi Mahnaimi and Marie Colvin

ISRAEL is working on a biological weapon that would harm Arabs but not Jews,

That would be kind of difficult, since the two populations interbreed and share many genes.

Possibly true,

Not possibly, but actually.

but did you know that it is illegal to interbreed in Israel, they have strict race laws their.

The state of israel, as far as I understand the situation, only recognizes marriages between mainstream jews, or at least doesn't recognize marriages between mainstream jews and non mainstream jews. There was a samaritan woman who wanted to get married to an orthodox man a little while ago, but she had to convert from being a samaritan jew to an orthodox one. As far as interbreeding being illegal, thats quite a lie.

It [israel] bases its immigration on a genetic standard and limits immigration almost exclusively to those of biological Jewish descent.

So? Australia used to have strict immigration laws too. Most countries control their demographics by restricting immigration. The US would be an exception to this.

An atheist Jew from New York City who has never stepped foot inside Israel is financially encouraged to immigrate, while hundreds of thousands of Palestinians whose families have lived there for thousands of years are forbidden to return to the place of their birth.

So? The palestinians and the israelis are in a state of conflict, the isrealis shouldn't let any palestinians settle there if they don't want to. Its their country.

Israel is not a "multicultural nation." It is unashamedly a Jewish state devoted exclusively to the interests of the Jewish people.

Duh. Thats kinda the whole idea behind 'Zionism'.

Palestinians are forbidden by law from joining the military.

And you think that this is a bad idea? Palestinians in Isreal are treated better than palestinians in most other arab countries, like say in syria, where they aren't allowed to permanently settle. And just how free do yuo think jordan is? What about iraq, they actually had mass executions of jews there. When did the state of israel arrest and murder masses of palestinians at a time?

In spite of their 22 percent of the population, (close to double that of African Americans in America) there has never been a Palestinian member of the Israeli cabinet.

Guess the palestinians need to get better organized eh?

Originally posted by The Hunter
Right, let's talk about this. Odviously not here as the thread will get locked or moved and I really shouldn't be going off topic. Is their anywhere on this board we can discuss this like rational and intelligent men? Start a thread soemwhere in an appropriate section and I would love to debate this with you - It's what I am good at. Besides, what about the huge organisations like "Jews against Zionism" that say exactly the same and have spent over 50 30 years exposing this? Shahak, Roth, Cantor, Freidman - all Jews that have said this independently. But hey, if you want to debate let's do it in an appropriate place. I am quitre new here so you may know of a better place or section?

Many people have different opinions, and yet not always all of them are right. The believes of the people you mentioned come usually as a result of flawed education within the family (although they probably wont admit it) and other events during their life (usually while they are young). You can, of-course, claim the same thing about people who agree with ME, but there really wouldn't be much I could say to you if the things you base your opinions on were things that truly happened, and not some other opinions of amore anti-semites or anti-zionists.

I can't agree to your claims simply because I KNOW its not so. I live in Israel, I FEEL the conflict, I know what its like to serve in the IDF, I know what orders our soldiers get, I know the reasons for those orders, I probably hear much more news about what the Palestinians do and what we do, I see the arabs walking our streets freely and I wonder why can't we walk on their streets without getting shot or beaten. I hear each weak about another terrorists who wanted to blow himself and kill jews, about more evidence of brainwashing in Palestinians schools, about some more rockets that were fired on some Israeli town - just in order to kill and murder. We stopped HUNDERDS of terrorists in our roadblocks and checkpoint (which are the main reason to the low life quality of the palestinians), and we made constructed them exactly for that reason. If not those roadblocks, those terrorists would pass freely, killing and murduring more and more Jews for no reason. Is that what needs to happen before people like you will believe that Israel is not interested in genocide, but only in her right to exist?

Do you know why those terrorists are willing to murder? You think its because their poor life? Terroists admittedthat they truly think they will sit next to Muhamad in heaven, and have 70 virgins (or whatever the terror organizations promised them) if they'll suicide and kill Jews, add that to the brainwashing in their schools - and you get thousands of people who hate Israel not because they want to live better, but only because they heard nothing but lies for all of their life.

Why does most of the Palestinians mothers think its great when their sons suicide in order to kill Jews, because they want to have a better life? I don't remember any Jewish mothers who wished their children would die during the holocaust (and the holaucost was much, MUCH, MUCH worse than anything the palestinians ever felt), even if it means killing german people. This is not a will to survive. The problem is in their whole system, governemnt, religion. They believe that killing jews is something holy, they believe they are becoming sacred but the act of murder. You that is a justified fight, caused only by the wish to have better life?

Do you know what operations our soldiers do in the territories? you truly think they kill palestinians? you truly think they are there to make their life bad, to turture them, to make them suffer? I've known pilots, soldiers in combat units, soldiers in military intelligece. We do not murder, we do not wish to kill people for no reason, we to not wish to destroy the Pelestinians! We even teach in our schools to understand the otherside, to try to achieve peace. We capture terrorists, we destroy places where they make bombs and hide, we destroy tunnels where they smuggle weapons. We don't just shoot at children for no reason, I know people who been there, I KNOW that your claims are simply not true, and I cannot just read your posts and say nothing and just watch all of those people who also start hating Israel just because the lies you feed them. Do we need to stop all of our military operations and face another wave of terrorism just so that people like you will believe us?

I also heard claims that we are building the wall in order to put the palestinians in "concentration camps", to destroy them later, to make them suffer more. HOW CAN YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT THAT? You have all the facts infront of you!!! Terrorists come from those areas, they murder families, they kill and kill and kill! our military actions can't stop them all, and our negotiations only make them worse! So we are building a wall, to stop them. And yes, it will hurt the palestinians, but we won't watch our people die just so that they will be able to live happily, and just so that people like you will hate us less. Since when the quality of life is more important than life itself?

ITS SO FRUSTRAITING to see claims such as yours, to KNOW they are not true, and not being able to do anything about it.

I'm sorry, but I simply cannot understand nor accept the claims of people like you, and I never will. I hope that one day you will be able question yourself and your believes, and finally open your eyes to see whats really going on.

It might not be very mature, but for me - this arguement is over.

Believde it or not I can understadn where you are coming from as I am Jewish! I do not live in Israel but I am Jewish and very Jewish I am.

Ignorance is bliss isn't it!

However, like the famous Albous Huxley said,

"Facts don't cease to exist because they are ignored." (Proper Studies)

I do not mind you disputing with me (infact, all the more! I encourage it) but please use a tiny of intelligence! While we are in this dabate, which has happened on every level of my posts, I will now admit that I am Jewish - Just like Roth, Cantor, Friedman and Shahak, and all the millions of other Jews that say what I say. So, am I an anti-semite?

Don't you think that anti-semitism may be a result of Jewish behaviour!?

I fear for my people I do but just because I am one of them doesn't mean that I will hide and ignore what the supremacists of my people are doing!

Please, NO MORE "you can't say that because it is hateful and anti-semitic" because to any intelligent person here it doesn't wash.

I am Jewish and I will expose their racist agenda as best I can. You say you are Jewish but will not dispute my claims anymore. Well, that says alot doesn't it. A person like yourself living in Israel not saying anything and a Jew like my trying to expose everything. I am sure that when the &^$%& does hit the fan I will stand with all the rest exposing the Jewish Supremacists for what they really are. Shame on you and shame on you for not being willing to discuss it.

How odd is it that we are woth Jewish but one of us will live in ignorant bliss and the other wil expose what they are doing. I know that what I say will murder me in Israel just like Vanunu but I live here in England and will do what I can just lie millions of the rest of us. I will never stop as long as what I believe is true and when we really start to look at the facts their is no real dispute.

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