Sexist Female Oppression? Cleavage In The Workplace

Originally posted by undo

i thought it was ridiculous it had to get to the point where they felt they could only be assured they were succeeding due to skill, by having them removed. and that now, the new trend is, to punish women for looking female. (sorry, that's just how i translate the choice of styles and colors in the corporate world)

Have you considered the idea this says more about their own character and state of mind rather than any predudice surrounding their large breast size? Many women in positions of power have large breasts, i've known a couple myself and they didn't seem to think their breasts got them there. Maybe the women who do think this are just people with issues who can't accept their own success, maybe their self doubt is so high they blamed their breasts.

Also why are you continually using a few examples and seemingly applying them to the entire large breasted population?

Originally posted by Crakeur

As an employer, I can say that I would never, ever tell one of the women working here that they shouldn't show their cleavage or they should dress a certain way. it's a lawyer's wet dream

Right! An intelligent professional woman (or man) will be responsible for herself and the way she presents herself.

Basic dress codes - - would probably not define how much cleavage a woman could/should/will show.

However - Again - - if any person creates disruption in production - - by what ever means - - they only hurt themself in the end. Even though it is difficult to fire a person these days - - there are ways of transferring - eliminating a position - redefining a position - etc.

In the end - - YOU are responsible for YOU and YOUR actions. An employer should not have to tell you how to dress.

Originally posted by Crakeur
reply to post by undo

 

As an employer, I can say that I would never, ever tell one of the women working here that they shouldn't show their cleavage or they should dress a certain way. it's a lawyer's wet dream

Why Crakeur I didn't know you were a lawyer! (rimshot)

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reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


i mentioned the article, because intrepid brought up in a post to me. i was commenting on it.
what did you want me to do, just not respond?

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by brutalsun
I think it's sexist how women refer to their breasts as "assets"

Why?

I can't speak for him but I do agree. Look at "assets".

noun: anything of material value or usefulness

www.onelook.com...

Women have fought long and hard for their rights to equality. This would be a step back imo. If one has to use boobs to get ahead, or to avoid repercussions as is pointed out in the source material, it's a slap in the face of those women that knew they were equal and didn't need to perpetrate this in the male dominated world.

Yeah - but we are still women. Was in mentioned Assets in the Work Place - - - or just Assets?

On a personal level - - I think my boobs are kind of awesome. Great Assets when filling out a "hot" outfit.

Originally posted by Annee
Right! An intelligent professional woman (or man) will be responsible for herself and the way she presents herself.

Exactly. When conducting business I pull my hair back into a ponytail, that's acceptable to both sexes but if I don't remove the earrings to look more businesslike and I don't, say, get the job, I'm not going to complain about it. My fault for knowing that I was making a fashion statement, not trying to be professional. Btw, I DO remove the earrings. I can always put them back in at an appropriate time.

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984

 

i mentioned the article, because intrepid brought up in a post to me. i was commenting on it.
what did you want me to do, just not respond?

All i have done is respond to what you have said, i didn't say you shouldn't have mentioned the article, i just asked a question regarding why some women feel the need to cut off their large breasts to make sure they deserve their position while other large breasted women in power are quite sure they deserve their current roles.

To me that sounds like a self confidence problem rather than male oppression.

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


perhaps. i didn't write the article though, nor the op. i 'm just extrapolating what happens in the kind of anti-boob environment being cultivated in the corporate world atm, due to people being weary from past experience, or who are prejudice, sexist, and any number of other possible scenarios, brought up in the thread thus far. (including your observations that they just might be suffering with confidence problems)

Originally posted by Annee
Yeah - but we are still women. Was in mentioned Assets in the Work Place - - - or just Assets?

Yes, in the workplace. See the source material that is in the OP. If one can't be equal without resorting to sexist behavior, you don't deserve to be on equal footing. That's a slap in the face of women that fought of the rights that women have. Aside from that, knock yourself out imo.

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984

 

perhaps. i didn't write the article though, nor the op. i 'm just extrapolating what happens in the kind of anti-boob environment being cultivated in the corporate world atm, due to people being weary from past experience, or who are prejudice, sexist, and any number of other possible scenarios, brought up in the thread thus far. (including your observations that they just might be suffering with confidence problems)

Err sorry but the reason it seems that those issues exist are because of people out for a bit of quick cash filing frivolous lawsuits. I never said you wrote the article, nor did i say you wrote the op, as for an anti-boob environment, well it's an utter nonsense. If it were true then women would never find employment and large breasted women would never get promoted. As for self confidence issues, well that's just one of those things and can stem from bad parenting, a possible genetic predisposition to depression or bullying at school.

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by Annee
Yeah - but we are still women. Was in mentioned Assets in the Work Place - - - or just Assets?

Yes, in the workplace. See the source material that is in the OP. If one can't be equal without resorting to sexist behavior, you don't deserve to be on equal footing. That's a slap in the face of women that fought of the rights that women have. Aside from that, knock yourself out imo.

No - I was just responding to one specific post that said women shouldn't refer to their breasts as assets.

I am old school - - when it comes to office attire.

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Hey, stop agreeing with me. What fun is there in that?

I grew up in a time where my father would slap the ass of a woman, not my mother and there were twitters of laughter. Vice versa for Mom too. The strides for womens rights has come a long way since then and I HATE to see things like this trying to drag us back to the Stone Age.

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it does run somewhat counterproductive to the idea of bra burning parties, cause then you have a huge group of women, with various sizes of breasts, wearing any number of shirt/dress types, all without bras. i'm guessing the advent of the 60s pre-corporate shindig, saw alot of the same feminists (that support the non female, drab colors, played down body parts, look, now) running around back then with in braless,wet, tie-dyed t-shirt look. reminds of that scene from back to the future where marty's mom is like "i never sat in a parked car with a boy" etc etc.

Originally posted by intrepid
reply to post by Annee

 

Hey, stop agreeing with me. What fun is there in that?

I grew up in a time where my father would slap the ass of a woman, not my mother and there were twitters of laughter. Vice versa for Mom too. The strides for womens rights has come a long way since then and I HATE to see things like this trying to drag us back to the Stone Age.

Oh Yeah! I'm 64. Raised by a single working mom. Have two daughters and a 10 year old granddaughter.

Women's rights is very important to me. Also - respecting yourself and not using being a woman as an excuse for anything.

Originally posted by undo
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it does run somewhat counterproductive to the idea of bra burning parties, cause then you have a huge group of women, with various sizes of breasts, wearing any number of shirt/dress types, all without bras. i'm guessing the advent of the 60s pre-corporate shindig, saw alot of the same feminists (that support the non female, drab colors, played down body parts, look, now) running around back then with in braless,wet, tie-dyed t-shirt look. reminds of that scene from back to the future where marty's mom is like "i never sat in a parked car with a boy" etc etc.

All I can say is you Had to be There.

Somethings don't transfer to paper.

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


i think that's what the article is stating: that there's a new trend to not hire/promote women who appear to be trying to make their way in the corporate world via their sex appeal, particularly as it relates to cleavage and breast size.

just simply covering it up must not have been effective enough, so some are opting to having them minimized/reduced.

this suggests if you're sexy, even though you aren't attempting to be-- if the boss even perceives you to be, you may lose your job or miss a promotion, so better to be safe than sorry! have them twin peaks trimmed, dress it down. don't enhance anything, don't accentuate your best features to cover up your less attractive features as this can be perceived as drawing attention to your beauty rather than trying to downplay a shortcoming, and etc best possible scenario, when all else fails, find a man's suit in your size, some flat shoes, cut your hair off, remove your make up and jewelry and perfume, and you're good to go.

reply to post by undo


Really - all you are talking about is trends.

Just like I mentioned in regards to Playboy Centerfolds. The trend today is trim athletic bodies.

I can think of worse trends.

reply to post by Annee


are you saying no female athletes have large breasts?
i never even thought of that.

Originally posted by undo
i think that's what the article is stating: that there's a new trend to not hire/promote women who appear to be trying to make their way in the corporate world via their sex appeal, particularly as it relates to cleavage and breast size.

The article is flawed because it relates to a handful of cases, you make a terrible error thinking this is commonplace when there is no proof it is.

Originally posted by undo
just simply covering it up must not have been effective enough, so some are opting to having them minimized/reduced.

Again self confidence i think is behind this and more importantly there is no proof at all in the pening article that any of this is true. A woman had her breasts reduced because of something she perceived, maybe that says more about her than the environment she works in.

Originally posted by undo
this suggests if you're sexy, even though you aren't attempting to be-- if the boss even perceives you to be, you may lose your job or miss a promotion, so better to be safe than sorry! have them twin peaks trimmed, dress it down. don't enhance anything, don't accentuate your best features to cover up your less attractive features as this can be perceived as drawing attention to your beauty rather than trying to downplay a shortcoming, and etc best possible scenario, when all else fails, find a man's suit in your size, some flat shoes, cut your hair off, remove your make up and jewelry and perfume, and you're good to go.

Why should anyone be concerning themselves with hiding a less attractive feature when they are at work? You are there to work, not pick up a new guy/girl. That goes for both sexes as well so stop making it out to be a woman issue. I hate suits and i look kinda stupid in them, i would love to go to work in a tight fitting top to show off my pecs and arms, i never did though because i realised certain standards were needed.

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


i think you and i realized yesterday that we had nothing else to say to each other. this was so because you thought i was disagreeing with you even when i wasn't, and when i was, you just neglected to accept any evidence i offered or the op offered without resorting to calling it inclusive, irrelevant, not definitive enough, wrong news company, etc. in effect, discussing this topic with you is utterly pointless, and i apologize for getting dragged back into it and wasting both our time.