Nostradamus C1,Q3 - your thoughts on Line 4?

When the litters are overturned by the whirlwind
and faces are covered by cloaks,
the new republic will be troubled by its people.
At this time the reds and the whites will rule wrongly.


who do you think the reds and whites are?

The indians and caucasians?
The murderers and angels?
i always hated how cryptic those messages are.

It seems very similar to Iraq. The first parts could have something to do with the desert there. The maybe Arabs and The West in the new country of Iraq.

It could refer to the Catholic church. If I remember correctly, Nostradamus uses red and white to depict the cardinals and bishops/pope.

[edit on 7-5-2004 by Valhall]

I was thinking the unrest could be a possible Civil War in Iraq...
The reds and whites could actually be the Knight's Templar as well, part of the Illuminati theme coming into Iraq.

To me, this quatrain applies more to the Vietnam war. The reds being communists and the whites being the opposing force.

The objection within the states to the war may be a reference to the trouble in the new republic, caused by the images of body bags, faces covered by cloaks coming home.

Basically, as I see it, the fourth line refers to both governments making mistakes.

line1- well im not too sure but ill assume its turmoil.

line2-im just thinking the arabs who wear "im not sure whats it called" but anyway im hoping u know what i mean.

line3-im thinking new republic as in the new govt for iraq.

line4- well, i was thinking white for westerners and red for arabs, but im not sure tho.

well for me when someone says someone is red, i immediately think of the american red indians. but, i was wondering if nostradamus would have considered the arabs "red" when he had his "visions"?

Originally posted by Jamuhn
It seems very similar to Iraq. The first parts could have something to do with the desert there. The maybe Arabs and The West in the new country of Iraq.

Iraq or the US? Both actualy

When the litters are overturned by the whirlwind.
What country has more Twisters and Huracanes then the US?
and faces are covered by cloaks,
the new republic will be troubled by its people.
Country run by republicans, that are currently troubled by its people, since the people are loosing their trust and support for this Republican goverment
At this time the reds and the whites will rule wrongly.
Reds could be arabs, who are ruled wrongly by extremist religious zealots. The Whites are ruled wrongly by a corrupt and corporate run goverment with only interests in money and power, and I'm not just talking about the US, Europe too.

They could be both, but look under my name, Interpretation in a cage. There is way to many ways you can interpret what Nostra said.

All of the so called experts on Nostradamus that I have read, tend to agree that his references to The New Republic imply the United states. So I am inclined to believe that this reference is meant to be the USA.

To me, faces covered by cloaks sounds like dead bodies. When a person dies, their faces are usually covered. And at the time the Quatrain was written, most people wore, or had cloaks.

A whirlwind is typically a literative device for turmoil. A litter, at least to me, has always been a device for carrying people. Usually injured people. But I believe at the time he wrote it, it could have refered to something else, some other mode of transport.

I will agree that perhaps he saw olive skinned people as being red.

Heck, maybe the whole thing refers to the intifada in Israel?

EDIT: spelling

[edit on 7/5/2004 by phreak_of_nature]

well.... have "you" taken a good look at the american flag lately?

Yep.

Even without the "blue" His refernce isn't to the red and white, it is to the reds and the whites. Sounds like to distinct things rather then one.

nostradamus is crap. pure crap. to all the "believers" of him, lemme ask you all this. where the hell were you and september 10th? whats the next prediction? the things that he wrote can be reduced to pure speculation, not grounded in facts at all. it seems to me to be more like using the bible to predict the future. and dont go into the "bible code" either. the main reason for my doubt is this: they never tell you before it happens. only after. well what the hell kinda prediction is that?

@sublime4372

I sorta understand where your coming from. Hindsight is always 20-20, and psychics always point to the coincedences in their predictions as being proof.

But that's kind of the nature of the beast. It's more of a "see, I told ya" then a "look what didn't happen, because I said it would"

well, heres the thing.. im not a skeptic by nature, i am actaully interested in all fields, but pyschics just kinda seem like garbage to me. i mean, i could be one, watch. "i predict the usa will suffer a huge tragedy in the future and many will perish" now in a few hundred years or so we can look back and see how many times i was right. please dont take this as disrespectful or anything.

You weren't quite vague enough to be able to claim any simple little incident fits your prediction.

Try this:

A great power will be overcome as the sky falls on their heads.

Could be damn near anything.

well i m more believe to what is said by valhall after a long research i made by my self i seen that sometimes in the future the vatican will have 2 pope
both of this people will wrongly use their power in order to control the people and wealths.if we see on other side the meaning of RED most of the people says it must be a communist but now a day russian is no longer
strong in power like before.so it is not this russian who will doing all those thing to control,i m only believe yes there is some russian maybe by kidnapping or something have to do with it then one RUSSIAN SUBMARINE will launch a nuke attack in the middle of italy but most of the JIHADS KNIGHT will be landing on italian shore,start from there this JIHADS KNIGHT will go straightly to all over europe to US at last to southern american and they will jointly with other terrorist or leftwing partisan to gain control all over NORTH AMERICA AND SOUTH AMERICA.while in america most of the people death,starving,and had a civil war.and the millitary people will take a control to become a PRESIDENTE LIKE!!!so all of this is saying hereis by our ancient wizard NOSTRA.
P?S in FRANCE most of the JIHADS KNIGHT will be nuke by NORAD that why one of our frenz here which is his mother vision she saw the word of the NORAD in some buliding rumble it is spraying by french people who blame the usa.that action is done in order to stop all the JIHADS FORCE.but you know even a thousand nuke is not enuff to stop them because they have another POWERDRIVE which can make a DEVASTATING to all over this globe

When the litters are overturned by the whirlwind
Litter means young, overturned means overthrow and whirlwind means turmoil.
and faces are covered by cloaks,
Could be refuring to the scarves the arabians wear
the new republic will be troubled by its people.
This happens in all new republics
At this time the reds and the whites will rule wrongly.
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TERRORISTS

Does this quatrain need to be applied to the present? Or the future?

They weren't dated, and they were jumbled. Could be this one has already passed, could be it won't be for another 500 years.

I will agree with unholy enterprise, the perhaps the reference is to the vatican. The pope in white, and the bishops in red.

Nostradamus was said to have made predictions for the church. And whether they like it or not they are falable. What being mortal and all.

Here's another thought. Perhaps this one has to do with the plagues.
Litters of dead bodies, covered in their own cloaks. Did the church screw up then?

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It could be about the Bolshevik revolution in Russia. Communists were called Reds, the opposing forces were collectively called Whites.

A communist revolution is a pretty good match for "troubled by its people".

The fact that the Czar was falling would have meant that this was the peoples first say in their government for a long time, which you could weakly argue would lead to the vision of it as "a new republic".

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It could be about the Bolshevik revolution in Russia. Communists were called Reds, the opposing forces were collectively called Whites.

A communist revolution is a pretty good match for "troubled by its people".

The fact that the Czar was falling would have meant that this was the peoples first say in their government for a long time, which you could weakly argue would lead to the vision of it as "a new republic".

That is a good idea, but the quatraine also says that they will "rule wrongly". In that conflict, neither side could be said to be in the wrong at all, as with most others. That could just be me though, all I really remember of it was the Czars family being held prisoner... err.. I mean being held for protective reasons.

p.s. I do think Nostradamus is a bunch of coincidences. Not a single "prediction" in there, just a man playing one of the greatest jokes ever.