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LONG BEACH, Calif. – Angry relatives of a man shot to death by police who apparently mistook a pistol-grip water nozzle he held for a gun are lashing out at officers, saying they made no effort to contact him before opening fire.
However, police officials say Douglas Zerby's behavior prompted the officers' response.
"As the subject was in a seated position, he used a two-handed pistol-grip hold on an object with his arms fully extended," Long Beach Police Chief Jim McDonnell said. "Somebody that is impaired and waving what appears to witnesses and police to be a handgun. That's w
"As the subject was in a seated position, he used a two-handed pistol-grip hold on an object with his arms fully extended," Long Beach Police Chief Jim McDonnell said. "Somebody that is impaired and waving what appears to witnesses and police to be a handgun.
Its a judgment call in terms of how the officer perceives a threat, and action taken, even in daylight. Until you are standing there with someone pointing an object at you, and you dont know exactly what that object is, how do you react?
McDonnell said the officers took positions to observe Zerby, who appeared intoxicated, and believed he had a gun as described by the callers, but focused on setting up containment of the area rather than contacting him.
As officers awaited requested backup units, the man pointed the object at apartments and played with it, causing it to make sounds similar to those of a gun being handled, he said.
Police snuck down the corridor and shot him,
The officers on scene have no idea what this guy has in his hand, what his mental state is, his intentions. If the guys appears intoxicated or ALOC (altered level of conscious) and appears to be in one area, then yeah these officers did their job by attempting to contain, observeing the individual, while remaining out of sight so as not to set this guy off on the off chance he is suffering from a mental / drug / substance induced altered state.
Simply walking up to make contact with this setup is dangerous.
Contrary to popular belief Police Officers are not required to give any verbal commands if the situation is severe enough. However we are all trained to give loud clear repetative verbal commands when dealing with these situations because of audio / visual exclusion of the person we are dealing with, and to notifiy anyone in range of our authority and our actions, as well as to serve as a warning to stay back from the situation.
Originally posted by VictorVonDoom
I guess now I need to add body armor to my car cashing kit. I don't suppose there was any mention of the names of these courageous officers? We should all know the names of the brave men and women who protect us from getting wet.
Originally posted by Oaktree
If they have no idea what this guy has in his hand, how can shooting be justified?
"As the subject was in a seated position, he used a two-handed pistol-grip hold on an object with his arms fully extended," Long Beach Police Chief Jim McDonnell said. "Somebody that is impaired and waving what appears to witnesses and police to be a handgun. That's what the officers were faced with."
Originally posted by Oaktree
I was not implying anyone walk right up, but contact, even commands, from a covered position seems reasonable, no?
Originally posted by Oaktree
According to the article, and the police chief, no verbal commands were given.
Do you believe that a person sitting on a porch stoop with an unidentified item in his hands presents a severe enough situation in which no commands need to be given?
Zerby pointed it at one of the officers and two officers fired their weapons, a handgun and a shotgun.
Originally posted by Oaktree
If so, 99% of all America is at risk of being shot, for the safety of an officer or his partner.