NEW Graphic Analysis on the Videos of UFO's over KUMBURGAZ, TURKEY w/ ET Pics

Originally posted by BrnBdry
And finally, the only time cruise ships anchor that close to shore is when there is an excursion where people get off the ship and go on smaller boats to take them to shore, because there is no docks for the ship to dock. And that only happens durring the day time. NEVER at night. Night time is STRICTLY reserved for traveling.

Well the problem with your rebuttal is that it is full of holes.

First of all the ships DO have a dock (see below)

Second the angle of the 'UFO' matches perfectly with the angle of the bridge of a docked ship (see below)

Third the windows where the Capt is ARE dark on the UFO, what you see lit is the header of the bridge, most likely by sun. The time stamps are all wrong on the tapes so it is likely it was filmed at dawn or dusk

Fourth... the 'UFO' is at the same spot at the same angle, three years in a row... Most likely because the date he is taking pictures is when the ship is not out cruising

Funny how people like Zorgon, found the brief instance in the video where the object looks like something else, and are focusing on that 'face in the cloud' as the basis of their complete argument.

Also, the dude that posted the debunk video cunningly said the dog was barking cause there was a person swimming. Yet the dog wasnt in the video clip where the guy was swimming. He was however barking when no one was swimming. Then he suggests the dog was taking orders from his master when he turns back to the camera. yet his master was clearly in the process of speaking when the dog turned back, and wasnt giving any orders to the dog.

If I look close enough at the still Zorgon is fixated on, I swaer I see a chefs hat.

Also, what about the glowing orange lights that form a half circle. What part of the ship is that? And why did all the other lights on the ship get turned off exactly durring that part of the video in your opinion Zorgon?

Continue to enlighten us.

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I dunno..the shoe kinda seems to fit here:

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Originally posted by BrnBdry
Funny how people like Zorgon, found the brief instance in the video where the object looks like something else, and are focusing on that 'face in the cloud' as the basis of their complete argument.



Also, what about the glowing orange lights that form a half circle. What part of the ship is that? And why did all the other lights on the ship get turned off exactly durring that part of the video in your opinion Zorgon?

Continue to enlighten us.

Well one thing about 'people like me' I don't just buy any old video and say "yep, that is a UFO" The fact that it is at the same angle, and there three years in a row and no one else has any pictures of it... the fact that he lives on the beach with lots of boats available... and he never thought of getting closer?

Believe what you wish... these are not UFO's and they are not flying... nothing could hover at the exact same spot several years in a row

As to the orange lights, haven't bothered to look... they look like flames.. I would have to see if there is an oil refinery or oil rig in the area... just like the Mexican UFO's that the Mex military chased

Originally posted by Chadwickus
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I dunno..the shoe kinda seems to fit here:

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Gadzooks!!! Yet another thread? Your right though, sadly. I was hoping not but it explains why he had the original footage of this...

UFO releases intelligent moving spheres!! First ever video footage!
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and wouldn't share it with us... and it explains this post...

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Pity... that changes the ball game

reply to post by zorgon


So what you are saying is, because it happened 3 years in a row, on the same date each year, is basis enough for you to call it a cruise ship? Wow.

How do you know the person filming this deosnt go there on vacation the same time each year?

Cruise ships are not metalic in color. Cruise ships ar not round. Cruise ships dont have glowing orange orbs that hover in a circular formation. Cruise ships dont have sliding doors on the tippidy top of the ship that open up for the view. Cruis ships are well lit at night. Cruise ships dont anchor at night.

What is metalic in color, round, with glowing floating orange orbs, a viewing door ontop, that isnt well lit, and seems to hover? Nothing I can think of. Nothing I can identify. Some sort of unidentified object in my opinion.

When you do look into those orange orbs you seemed to not notice, let me go ahead and stop you, and state that they are not identifying ship markers, or lights on poles so planes dont fly into it or anything like that.

Originally posted by BrnBdry
So what you are saying is, because it happened 3 years in a row, on the same date each year, is basis enough for you to call it a cruise ship? Wow.

What I am saying that BECAUSE it happened three years in a row to find a UFO in the same spot at the same angle that no one else is seeing means it is something that is always there and not an Alien spaceship

How do you know the person filming this deosnt go there on vacation the same time each year?

Whether he lives there or visits there every year is irrelevant... it still doesn't account for the same 'UFO' being in the same spot every time he is there.

You may be happy calling anything odd looking an Alien spacecraft. Me, I need to eliminate the obvious hoaxes in order to study it properly. Unlike the hoaxers, I am not making any income at this Unfortunately these days the number of hoaxes, CGI and misidentified objects is burying any really good observations.

Cruise ships are not metalic in color. Cruise ships ar not round.

Well the PART of the ship that you see as a UFO matches pretty close to that bridge. Angle curve levels all match.. How do you explain that?

Cruise ships dont have glowing orange orbs that hover in a circular formation.

Hmmm how do you know they are hovering? Looks more like a mirage to me... I see em all the time out here in the desert. I will see if I can find some flame sources along that sighting path tomorrow BTW I notice he didn't spend very long filming that one... was sorta just in passing...

Now show me the reports of others that saw the glowing orange lights.... seems to me such an awesome sighting would look even better if you were closer... and there are a lot of people along that coast

Cruise ships dont have sliding doors on the tippidy top of the ship that open up for the view

Neither do UFO's well none that I have ever seen in 30+ years. You still haven't explained the logic of the same tilted angle, the fact that it doesn't move, and the fact that it is back in the same spot every year.

Cruise ships are well lit at night. Cruise ships dont anchor at night.

Of course they anchor at night... when they are not on a cruise. I bet the reason he catches em every year about the same time is that its an off season period and they are all in port. Now your just being silly

:shk:

What is metalic in color, round, with glowing floating orange orbs, a viewing door ontop, that isnt well lit, and seems to hover? Nothing I can think of. Nothing I can identify. Some sort of unidentified object in my opinion.

"Seems" to hover... now your getting it And the orange lights have nothing at all to do with the other objects

When you do look into those orange orbs you seemed to not notice, let me go ahead and stop you, and state that they are not identifying ship markers, or lights on poles so planes dont fly into it or anything like that.

You just said they were nothing you can identify, yet you can say what they are not? To me they look exactly like blow off flames from an oil rig or refinery. Don't know yet if they are... but that is exactly what they look like. There are many vids on youtube that show just that

Here is one close up... Imagine them in the distance at dusk

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by alfafox

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as the RADAR and FLIR operator's did many infamous recognition mistakes.

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Regards to you and all.
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reply to post by alfafox
A character reference from Narcap's Ted Roe is as good as it gets in my opinion. He's a great guy.

Oh naff naff naff,i click on op link & i get this...........[IMG" target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">img828.imageshack.us...[/IMG]]

WTF is up with that......please?

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ive seen this and its fakes as he@@. it looks like a toy near a black curtain

Originally posted by fotsyfots
Oh naff naff naff,i click on op link & i get this.......... >

WTF is up with that......please?

The page was canceled due to heavy traffic.

I suggest this: go to Google in your browser, in the search window
type this URL complete (without dashes):

---www.archivosovni.com/analisis-kumburgaz/kumburgaz-ingles.htm---

After re directed look for the cache on the URL that shows this title:

ANALYSIS ON THE VIDEOS REGARDING UFO's FILMED IN TURKEY

Then you should see the archived page.

Try this other URL from the hoaxer HAKTAN AKDOGAN that was posted
in the SIRIUS UFO Forum.

SIRIUS UFO KUMBURGAZ
ANALYSED BY MARIO VALDES SANTIAGO - CHILE

Regards
.

Zorgon, cruise ships don't anchor at night out at sea, no matter how bad you want too belive they do. Also, there are no off seasons for cruise ships either, no matter how bad you want too believe there is.

Finally, if for some strange reason a cruise company decided to take a season off from earning money, and as odd as it would be, anchor out at sea,... they sure as hell wouldn't do it next to an oiling station.

I'm not trying to convince you it's an alien space craft by no means. I am however trying help you see that it's not a cruise ship. Cause it's clearly not.

reply to post by BrnBdry


It's not out at sea though, it's been determined that the object being filmed appeared to be just off the coast.

reply to post by antibren


Pretty interesting stuff!

LoL Guys. It looks like a plastic toy. look at how you go from one video to a sudden close up. the video was cut so you could see the starship enterprise. it doesnt look real at all. i believe UFOs exist but this is a joke

Um.. that's the prow of a cruise ship?

Where is the rest of the ship? Where are the rest of the lights? If you look up pictures of ships docked at night (which of course, is usually at port.. not in the middle of the ocean), there are plenty of lights along the length of the ship. Not just a few lit at the prow.

While this may have a mundane explanation, I'm disappointed with the feeble reasoning put forth so far in trying to explain it. Yachts? Prows of cruise ships? C'mon.. can do better than that, can't you? And most of the videos were clearly taken at night, with the moon quite visible. The one they took at dusk (or dawn) was obviously so.

lmgtfy.com...

Third picture is the closest I can find to the ones in the video - and they are not even close. They are obviously ON the water. The ones in the video are not. Look at the others. Go ahead and find me a magical cruise ship where only the prow is visible, and the rest of the ship is not. You'll need to do better than finding a DAY picture of a ship, and then trying to superimpose a curved shape over the prow. Yes.. lots of things have a curved shape to them. Doesn't magically make this the correct explanation to this video.

ITS A PLASTIC TOY. IT DOESNT EVEN PASS THE GIGGLE TEST

reply to post by surfnow2

If you think the issue is as simple as that ... could demonstrate in a concrete way please? should be easy to prove that it is a plastic toy, please do, everyone will appreciate it very much.

reply to post by archivosovnis


look at the video, just look at it. it looks like someone is behind a black curtain holding a toy in front of it. use your eyes and look again. how does a video go from day to night instantaneously?????