USS Carl Vinson.... Help needed by any member!

Originally posted by henrysmomLoose Lips Sink Ships. Use some xxxxxxx common sense.

And this is the same forum where Julian Assenge is worshipped as a hero??? Even the Vinson's own page lists where they are! I see you joined up just to make your comment. Good for you. Welcome! Did you see your comment was censored? In any case, you really ought not tell others they cannot do things.

CVN-65 Enterprise is off the East coast
CVN-68 Nimitz is now in Bremerton, PSNS for scheduled maintenance.
CVN-69 Eisenhower is home at Norfolk and nondeployable
CVN-70 Vinson is off the west coast on a scheduled 3 week training exercise.
CVN-71 Roosevelt is home at Norfolk and nondeployable, undergoing refueling.
CVN-72 Lincoln is in the Persian Gulf
CVN-73 Washington is cruising in the Yellow Sea
CVN-74 Stennis is in Bremerton/Kitsap and is nondeployable
CVN-75 Truman is in the Med probably headed home to Norfolk.
CVN-76 Reagan is home at San Diego having just completed what the Vinson is doing now.
CVN-77 GHW Bush is underway off the East Coast.

The above are all Carrier Strike Groups that normally travel with about 7-8 support ships including one cruiser, several destroyers, a fast attack supply ship, and a fast attack submarine. The support ships are designed to protect the carrier. A CVN is about 100,000 tons displacement and can carry approximately 100 aircraft.

Below are the Amphibious Ready Groups/Marine Expeditionary Units. The main ship here is a "baby" carrier that is about half the size or less of a CVN, about 40,000 tons displacement. It is designed to hold helicopters and Harrier VTOL jets. These guys can pull of a minor invasion, if necessary. They usually carry a handful of tanks. Marines, by and large, are light infantry.

LHA-4 Nassau is home at Norfolk
LHA-5 Pelelieu is at Pearl Harbor
LHD-1 Wasp is home at Norfolk and undeployable
LHD-2 Essex is in the Yellow Sea alongside the CVN Washington.
LHD-3 Kearsarge is in the Persian Gulf
LHD-4 Boxer is in the Pacific Ocean near San Diego, probably with the CVN Vinson.
LHD-5 Bataan is home at Norfolk
LHD-6 Bonhomme Richard is home at San Diego in dry dock
LHD-7 Iwo Jima is home at Norfolk.
LHD-8 Makin Island is home at San Diego

And there you have it folks. This is where everyone is this week. This is all publicly available information, in most cases provided by the US Navy itself on its own web pages. An even more comprehensive listing is provided by the "Navy Times" every week. Anyone can buy a subscription for $30 per year. If you think some bad guy is going to suddenly discover the location of one of these task forces and create a problem, then you are certifiable. Anyone anywhere in the world that desires to know this information already knows it. So get over yourself and your little proclamations about what is and what is not proper.

Originally posted by schuyler
OP has contacted me.OP has contacted me.

Number one, I didn't contact you you contacted me via PM. Number two, your the one whom decided to insult me not the other way around. Number three, there is no reason for wanting to know other than my granddaughters fiancé is on the ship and she's been crying constantly since he left. I was merely hoping to find out from someone here "normally some great minds and info can be found here" where it was so I could maybe give her some good answers.

I don't lie to my granddaughter so I was hoping what I heard was good news rather than make something up to tell her. This has gotten completely out of contexts. As far as I'm concerned "schuyler" your a freaken useless..... well you know! You go ahead and post whatever you want, takes absolutely no skin off my arse what-so-ever.

You have no clue about anything you have said. I brought you out where you belong, that's all that matters to me. So if you think your something special and you want to have everyone on this site think you have uncovered something covert about me, Do what you do the best, dig a deeper hole for yourself.

Now read what I have said here and tear it apart so you can tell the members that I have contradicted myself or why would this person write this then turn around and write that. You need to find something else to do with your time schuyler because I cannot be intimidated from some nobody on ATS for any reason.

I do believe you need to regroup and think before you type! Really think schuyler, really think hard.

Originally posted by VrilOrder

Originally posted by schuyler
OP has contacted me.OP has contacted me.

Number one, I didn't contact you you contacted me via PM. Number two, your the one whom decided to insult me not the other way around. Number three, there is no reason for wanting to know other than my granddaughters fiancé is on the ship and she's been crying constantly since he left. I was merely hoping to find out from someone here "normally some great minds and info can be found here" where it was so I could maybe give her some good answers.

There's no reason to insult me like this. I did contact you to tell you to look at your thread because I ANSWERED your question. You then proceeded to tell me I was wrong and that I had no idea what I was talking about. You also went on and on about the coming war with North Korea. In other words, you got the best answer you could possibly get and then you freak out over it. You wanted to know WHO I was that could possibly know anything about this then called me a traitor. Now suddenly it's all about your poor crying grandaughter. That's changing history. You keep saying how wrong I am. Well, if you've got some contrary information, put up or shut up. You've got nothing!

One more bloody time: The Vinson is engaged in a three week training exercise off the coast of San Diego. After that the Vinson will be on a scheduled deployment so your granddaughter has at least six more months of crying to do.

What in blazes is wrong with you? You're old enough to be a grandfather and your acting like this? Un-freaking believable! All I did is respond to your request and try to help you out and I get all this grief over it.

Now, here's what I'm going to do. I am going to follow the Vinson throughout its entire deployment. Every week I'm going to post approximately where the Vinson is. And were going to follow this ship until it returns to San Diego. And you can go ahead and tell me how wrong I am every week if you want to, but I'll just let the record speak for itself.

You are the last person that anyone here should even acknowledge let alone take advice from! I know where it is! Some people help, some people hinder and some are just plain "Blowhards." Most members here are here to help, a good portion actually do their best to mislead in any way they can. Then you have the trolls "some that have been on the forum for quite a while. I don't have to tell you where you fit in, now do I?

I imagine that it's possible to misguide many who actually believe some of the slosh that's given out by a few overly imaginative members. That's very disheartening. You know nothing about where any and all ships are and after all no one in their right mind would tell anyone that kind of information on this site even if they were as insightful as you claim because they would be facing down the barrel of a .45.

Like I told you in a message before I do not take kindly to traitors! Keep your mindless rhetoric to yourself. It means nothing and hopefully it will mean nothing to more members as time goes by. Your title of "Document Archivist" means nothing as well. I sure hope the powers that be check your work with a fine tooth comb and plenty of white out!

Oh one last thing. You seem to be falling apart a little. Your last response was pretty sad. Try to keep it together. If you fall apart that easy I would love to see the look on your face when DHS and Naval Intelligence show up at your door!

reply to post by VrilOrder


Last Post:

You are the last person that anyone here should even acknowledge let alone take advice from! I know where it is!

First Post:

Is there anyone here at ATS that can tell me if they know where the Carl Vinson Carrier is at this time.

Not taking sides, just pointing out the obvious. Why would you ask if you already know?

On another note, there is some "real-time" tracking software for every carrier group out there and you can watch it move 24 hours per day. As others have said, nobody tries to hide a carrier group! What is the saying....."20,000 tons of Diplomacy." We announce where we intend to put them, then we announce they have left for their destination, then we announce their arrival! They are chess pieces and it is important that they draw plenty of attention so that our more covert operations can proceed unnoticed, and also to avoid any large scale engagements, because NOBODY engages a carrier group!

Your kind of entertaining. Thank you. You asked where the Vinson was. I told you. What is your problem with that, Gramps? Where do you think the Vinson is?

Sorry OP but I think your the one who needs to keep it together. All Schulyr did was tell you where it was, and even explained how the information is publicly available and how you could even get it yourself. You do not have to be a special someone to get that type of information. I recall a web site last year where we were able to track the movements of every ship off the coast of Vancouver. It was in a thread about a possible false flag event in Vancouver during the Olympics if I remember correctly. You could probably do an ATS search and find the thread. So that does not make him a "traitor".

I can't help but laugh, this thread is a joke. The OP ask for information, receives it, then attacks the poster for answering the question.... I have now seen it all on ATS .

reply to post by MrWendal


I think this is a case of a scared seaman telling his scared girlfriend where he "thought" he was headed, and her overreacting, and her family assuming some poor scared cook on a ship has any idea where he is going in the first place.

Probably not intentional on her part or his part or gramps part. I tend to trust the educated folks on ATS over some scared recruit lost on a very big boat, LOL!

And in all fairness you did make some pretty big claims which you later retracted? So what was the deal with all that? If it was just an angry post that you thought twice about just say it, no one should argue with that as we are all guilty of doing that at one time or another.

reply to post by VrilOrder


On another note, tell your Granddaughter that there is really no safer place in the world than buried in the inner hulls of an Aircraft carrier surrounded by the escort ships and defended by a squadron of fighters!

When my wife was pregnant, she brought home a scary statistic.....the most dangerous place in the world for a pregnant woman is.........at home with the one she loves!!

Loneliness is understandable, but irrational fear can, and ought to be controlled. No reason to be stressed and hysterical over minimal risk. The stress is probably more dangerous than any war theatre. We lost more convenience store clerks last year than we did soldiers! There were more gun deaths in Washington D.C. than in Iraq!

reply to post by VrilOrder


I would like to help as I have some experience in this type of problem. What your granddaughter is going through is normal. She is away from the person she loves, she does not know where he is, or if he is ok. My wife went through this when I entered the Navy. What she has to realize is that her fiancé cannot talk about ships movement.

Now if she wants to know how he is doing, there are ways for her to keep in contact with him. The best way is e-mail; he should have an e-mail address that he can use on the ship. He needs to be the one who starts this process. Also the ship has what is called “sailor phones”. Your granddaughter’s fiancé can buy a phone card from the ships store and call home. At the time I used the sailor phones the cost was about a $1 a minute. It seems like lots of money, but when you can hear the voice of the people you love, it is money well spent.

Your granddaughter needs to know that she does not need to be alone in this new world of being or almost being a Navy wife. There are support groups that she can join, have you’re soon to be grandson-in-law talk to the other guys in his division. Have him explain how hard of a time your granddaughter is having and they should have no problem in having their spouses contact her to support her.

I hope this helps, but I need to tie this up by saying that it is not a good idea to announce ships movement. I hope you realize this, it could endanger the lives on all the Officers and Sailors on the ship, including the person your granddaughter loves. Best wishes.

Originally posted by metal1992
reply to post by VrilOrder

 

I hope this helps, but I need to tie this up by saying that it is not a good idea to announce ships movement. I hope you realize this, it could endanger the lives on all the Officers and Sailors on the ship, including the person your granddaughter loves. Best wishes.

Thanks metal, At first it was to find out in an " I don't need an exact location kind of way" where the ship was at that moment but after the rude, belligerent, I know everything gibberish, that the bottom feeder, aka schuyler was spouting out, I felt the need to spout back. When tested the BF tends to gravitate to name calling and just plain ignorant behavior. Which is what a liar or fake or just a typical underage moron does.

No one was asking for intelligence reports on the ships whereabouts. I had info that the vessel was not where it was supposed to be and was hoping to get confirmation that what I heard was wrong. Instead I ended up with some total, who knows what, spouting off about I know everything. Well that's typical here and only have myself to blame for that.

From this point on though I can guaranty that I will do what I do best and will be keeping a very close watch on everything this person writes. If I'm lucky it's mouth will overload and spout out Intel not meant for a forum.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by MrWendal

 

I think this is a case of a scared seaman telling his scared girlfriend where he "thought" he was headed, and her overreacting, and her family assuming some poor scared cook on a ship has any idea where he is going in the first place.

Thanks, getready. Hadn't thought of that. "Scared" seaman tells fiance he's going on a "secret mission." Nobody knows! It's gonna be hot! The North Koreans are threatening Nukes, and he may NOT EVER COME BACK!! So love me now because I may never see you again! Classic, time honored, centuries old.

So the kid blabs it to everyone she sees immediately. And Gramps here buys the whole thing hook, line, and sinker.

Now, just WHO am I? Valid question. I was in the Navy. My brother was in the Navy. My Uncle was in the Navy. My daughter was in the Navy. I've worked in a Navy town for 35 years. I even worked for the Navy as a contractor for awhile. Many of my colleagues and friends are either ex-Navy or Navy spouses. There are six Navy commands in my immediate area. Around here we live and breathe Navy. So I'm just interested. ALL the information I have provided is freely available in the public domain. Nothing is classified. Although the Navy never publishes WHEN a ship leaves port, it's kind of obvious when a 1,000 foot long, 100,000 ton displacement carrier gets underway.

It's not like an SSBN Trident slipping out of port unannounced underwater. Those things are so quiet that no one has ever caught one. But a carrier can't be hidden. The newspapers around here print when they are about to come home and when they leave. People line up on the shore with American flags to wave them off or welcome them back. I remember quite clearly when the Vinson (Yup, same ship) came back from that very first sortie off Afghanistan. Pleasure boats crammed the harbor. A fireboat trailed the ship spewing water. There were people on both sides of the narrow channel for ten miles waving flags. The Vinson nearly scraped the sides of the channel. (CVNs can only traverse it during high tide.) It tooted its horn in thanks. Two thousand sailors manned the rails in their whites in very cold weather as the ship slowly made its way to the dock filled with thousands of people awaiting its return.

Awsome? Yes. Secret? No. You are welcome.

We have some minor developments this week.

1. The Vinson will embark on a scheduled deployment in the WESTERN Pacific after its training exercise. That would seem to rule out relieving the Lincoln in the Persian Gulf. It also rules out a secret run towards Korea to start a war.

2. The Washington has returned to its home port in Japan from the Yellow Sea. That means the joint exercise with S. Korea and Japan (Operation Keen Sword) has concluded. It also means tensions in that area have lessened somewhat.

3. The Truman has left the Med and is in the Atlantic returning to Norfolk, its home port.

4. The Enterprise has returned to Norfolk, but will be leaving soon on a scheduled deployment.

5. The GHW Bush visited Mayport, Florida this past week. Mayport may become a home port to a CVN in a few years. It is already a home port to over a dozen destroyers, cruisers, etc. Home porting a carrier is worth millions of dollars a year to the local economy.

Of course, anything can change. If I have erred in any FACTS regarding an information I have provided, please let me know and I will check it out.

P.S. CVN Factoid of the Week. A CVN has four propellers about the size of houses. Although it has a rated top speed of 35 knots (about 35 mph) when it gets moving it leaves its support ships (also rated at 30 knots) far behind. It puts out a rooster tail that is higher than the flight deck.

There have been no substantial fleet movements of our Navy this week. The Truman is back in port at Norfolk as expected. The Peleliu is also back home at San Diego, and the Kearsarge is visting Oman. The Vinson, our ship of interest, is still off the coast of California. There should be a couple of deployments to report in a week or two.

Some developments for the Vinson, not that our ungrateful OP will pay attention since he has made very clear this is not the information he wants to hear. The Vinson is headed straight for Pearl Harbor and will likely stop there before heading toward the Persian Gulf and the "5th fleet area of responsibility" (AOR). This most likely means it will replace the Abraham Lincoln in the Persian Gulf. The entire deployment is supposed to take seven months. The Vinson and the Lincoln are the ONLY carrier strike groups underway this week. All the others are in port. It's a little unusual for things to be so calm. There will be several deployments in the coming weeks.

So, in all respects this looks like a very normal deployment for the Vinson. The exact same pattern has been going on for at least 20 years. There are no suicide missions to Korea. Unless something changes all the sailors will be back in San Diego sometime this next Summer.

reply to post by schuyler


Thanks for keeping this one going!

I think the OP has abandoned his own thread instead of taking his lumps, admitting he overreacted to an emotional child, and sticking around to learn some facts.

Oh well.

Now, as Devil's Advocate, Pearl Harbor is getting closer to the general area, and they could be diverted while en route. If the mission does materialize, you will have a lot of crow to eat!

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by schuyler

 

Now, as Devil's Advocate, Pearl Harbor is getting closer to the general area, and they could be diverted while en route.

If the mission does materialize, you will have a lot of crow to eat!

You're absolutely right, but I'm willing to take that chance!

reply to post by VrilOrder


Hope your grand-daughter is feeling a wee bit better since your last posts; think positive things tell her

The USS Carl Vinson bypassed Pearl Harbor and looks to be on a course to Guam. Naval sources say it will be operating in the 5th fleet AOR, which is where the Lincoln is now. It remains to be seen how long it will take to get there. There are probably close to ten support ships sailing with the Vinson. The Navy says the ships will be 'visiting ports' in the 7th fleet AOR. My guess would be in Indonesia, perhaps India, since they are both on the route to the 5th fleet AOR.

Named ships accompanying are USS Bunker Hill (CG 52), USS Stockdale (DDG 106) and USS Gridley (DDG 101). USS Higgins (DDG 76), USS McClusky (FFG 41), and USS Rentz (FFG 46). CG is a Cruiser, only slightly bigger than DDGs, destroyers. FFGs are frigates, somewhat smaller than destroyerrs. The cruiser and destroyers run the Aegis defense system which is a coordinated "bubble" to protect the carrier. Frigates are used in anti-submarine warfare. There is also one unamed supply ship and one fast attack submarine with the strike group. I don't know their names yet.

Here's a picture of the Vinson and some of the support ships while underway last September.