The NWO doesn’t exist, stop being ignorant.

reply to post by TheGhostViking


I don’t need you to love me.

You might want to learn how to spell “Al’Qa’ida”, before you make attempts to analyse what Robin Cook said. The history of Al’Qa’ida is too complicated for me to give you a full explanation of what he said but simply put the Al’Qa’ida of the 1980’s is not the same as the Al’Qa’ida of that existed between 1996-2001. Most Al’Qa’ida historians agree that it is possible that some of the funding form operation cyclone may have reached the small system of stop over houses the Bin Laden managed along with his register of Mujahedeen. However this number would be very small as Bin Laden funded almost all of this himself, he was also a very small fish back then when compared to the mighty afghan war lords.

There is allot more to it than that but Al’Qa’ida is not the topic of this thread.

reply to post by kevinunknown
well i found that the articles had nothing to say as far as the mag went, but i did find on other link that lead me to this www.rfidjournal.com... then go to search oct6 2010, it is rfid ID related as too what Germany has planed in may of this year.

Originally posted by bekod
reply to post by wcitizen

 

and birds fly up side down, had too, could not pass up the open.
Now sense that is out of the way, i was really wishing some one would give me feed back on how relibal is the "computer weekly" are they for real? for give me if i do not know never heard of it before are they like people? Blade? out door life? as to say above board and true? or are they like some other mags? this reason i ask is the is really interesting article in it, but i want back ground on the mag before i post it. it is related to this topic and it just might let some see just how real this stuff is, but if the mag turns out to be full of you know what then there is no sense of posting it or making a link.

I'm not familiar with Computer Weekly, so I'm sorry I can't help you with that. If there's something you find interesting, you can always do a google search and see what else you can find on the topic, This might give you a better idea of whether the article/information is reliable.

reply to post by kevinunknown


I think youll find that the nwo encompasses many things , false flags among them now many of us believe that 911 was a false flag now seeing as the media blame al quaida for it , YES kevin , all quaida is relevant to this thread . i hope you see things clearer now

If you don't think that politicians conspire together in order to accumulate political influence then you are naive. If you think there is an all-powerful Satan-esq NWO that controls all things at all times you are delusional. The answer is always somewhere in the middle.

Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by Western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians.
here you are einstein in Robin Cooks on words ,
now please go and hang your head in shame .
WE ARE FIGHTING AN ENEMY WE SET UP WE ARE LYING TO THE PEOPLE THIS IS TREASON AND YOU ARE COMMITING TREASON BY TRYING TO DISTRACT US FROM OUR PATH .

reply to post by filosophia


I couldn't agree more and thats why I dont talk about reptilians or ufos or satan , spirits and new age stuff .
I only talk about things that can be RATIONALLY discussed using unclassified documents testimony whistleblowers quotes from TPTB
Kevin is generalising us he believes we all believe in aliens and reptilians ,carrry guns and wear tin foil hats .

reply to post by TheGhostViking


If you want to keep this conversation on Al’Qa’ida, feel free.

I find it strange how you will believe Robin Cook, but will not believe all the other government ministers who would disagree and in spite of the fact you clearly have no understanding of the history of Al’Qa’ida. You have basically heard one quote and taken it as proof that Al’Qa’ida is a CIA stooge (even though that is not what this article is saying).

It’s the biggest problem on the terrorism forum on ATS, people have no understanding of Al’Qa’ida and seek to look for a alternative history of the group that will back up their 9/11 conspiracies. This just fuels ignorance, its infuriating. It just goes to show how narrow your understanding of this group is that you are talking the world of a estranged MP who is not a expert in the history of Al’Qa’ida.

Look at what he has said, at no point does he indicate that Al’Qa’ida is a CIA stooge only that they are the result of a miscalculation of American foreign policy in the 1980’s. He is just wrong to say that the CIA directly funded Al’Qa’ida and armed them at this time. Under operation Cyclone almost all funding went through the ISI and at the time Bin Laden was so wealthy through his family connections he would have no need for the extra funding. Any funding that he did receive would have come from the ISI, possibly with the CIA’s figure prints on it, but he was not directly funded by the CIA. Just about all training went through the ISI as well; however there are some interesting accounts of British SAS training the Mujahedeen in the use of American stinger missile systems. Some estimates claim that up to 100,000 militants were trained under operation cyclone however most of them received their training form the Pakistanis and not the west. During the 1980’s, Bin Laden was for the most part a financer, setting up a series of stop over homes for travailing Mujahedeen and keeping a record of those going to fight the soviets, latterly he is said to have set up a training camp. He was not a “war lord”, he was more of a logistics man, and he was a very small fish in the grand scale of the mighty Afghan war lords. Even if he did get some direct training through operation cyclone he would have been one of literally 100’s of thousands and thus it means nothing. They would never have known what he was to become.

There is nothing in any of the mainstream literature that suggest the CIA set up Al’Qa’ida directly in the 1980’s as part of a future weapon to be used against the American people as a justification for future wars and as a fall guy in a false flag. However it could be accurate to argue that as Cook may have been arguing for, that as a result of a “monumental miscalculation” by the CIA during the 1980’s they inadvertently planted the seeds for the 9/11 attacks by facilitating a victory for the Mujahedeen in the 1980’s against the Soviets and then abandoning the Afghanistan during operation cyclone.

In any case, the “Al’Qa’ida” you are thinking about never existed until between 1996-2001 Cook is talking about the Al’Qa’ida of the 1980’s which is totally different form the group you are thinking about. . So this entire argument is mute due to your astonishing ignorance.

I have no need to hand my head in shame because unlike you I know what I am talking about.

Now please, I am getting really bored of ripping up other peoples arguments and quotes so if you don’t have any of your own, go hand your own head in shame and leave me alone

reply to post by TheGhostViking
i got mine where is yours

i can see how some would take that seriously, and some do, no offense to the ones that do, watch out for pinholes, i was thinking a writing a published page ,
How close is the new world order and is it real ,
after reading searching the web net and . org's I my self, am convinced.
Is it a good thing or a bad thing? Does it bring about foretell doom?
That depends on you the reader i can only say how i feel and think.
First the Pro's, before you balk squawk and run, just hear me out, and with some history.
Chip implants did get USDA and FDA approval they have been used to keep track of Fluffy you cat and Jim BO your dog they are even used as live stock trackers chickens, cows, and pigs, they come in all shapes and sizes they are put in on just about every thing now, is that bar code RFID? could be i am still looking in too that.
Now on to the PRO, with all the kidnappings ,and disappearances of people and kids would it not be a good thing to tag them as to track them, like a bar code, oh i can her the screaming now, i did not say what kind of bar code nor am i saying we give them chips implanted but then how would you track them tag them??
Am i making you think? were is the pro? if the kids were to get "tagged" it just might cut down the number of kidnapping and disappearances would it prevent it no just a deterrence, would it help stop the sex salve trade? most likely, would help in finding them ? that is the point with "SATS" and new "BAND'S" tags chips could be tracked up to100 miles .
Am i talking BS? No not at all this can be found and in this thread i have posted some of my findings, and still more to come am i for BIG BROTHER no just pointing out observations and i am not through. this is just one way to use "tags" Medical use, Military, Justice,AP&P. Now we get to the Con's as with all good thoughts and intentions there is the bad side should this be forced upon us or should it be ones right to chose, if one is to look up RFID it still remains SiFi for human use, VeriChip aka Digital Angel was the only one to get FDA approval but after the chip caused cancer the program was tossed. but with new chips could the program begin a new? (i am still looking) and if its we should have say that we want to choose.
Corp use i came a cross this one UNCONFIRMED article (notice the caps i am not yelling i am saying so you can see it) where this Corp. wants its employees to get tagged if they refuse well they are let go if this is true then we are in the world of NWO with out choice or free will, the NWO does not need to be gov it can be Corp, and where is the world now? it is for big biz and Corp greed. now if this said Corp is in fact doing this then where are they and who is supplying the chips tags and in what form are they?
In the Corp world they use all kinds of security, voice, eye, hand, and finger/ palm but chips/ tags and i do not mean a card that at one wears/ i mean implants, if you take ones right then you become a tyrant, an enforcer, and this i want no part of.
where did i get this from
RFID id
rfid implants
RFID and it uses
rfid manufacturers
rfid devices
rfid and medical use
rfid id implants
rfid and tracking
current rfid research
and other links posted in this thread, note this it not how it will appear in the published form this is fr ATS only, thought i had to say so now one would well..."B" let me know what you the reader think, or u2u me, thanks

reply to post by kevin unknown


Kevin you haven't seen all of the NWO programs that I mentioned ? Are you saying that Global government is not boldly emerging from behind the guarded walls of the ultra privileged ? Do you not see a pattern and convergence of powers ? You consider your self the sanity amongst all the insanity . Are all the rest of us fools because the Government doesn't put out a certified letter of intent to enslave us into a socialist lifestyle governed by the Banksters ? If you expect them to inform you that they are going to have their way with you that goes beyond ignorant to stupid .Speaking of gullible do you really trust a bunch of unscrupulous politicians that has to go to the till to get campain money to get re-elected at the end of each term ?

reply to post by SimonPeter


Increasing global cooperation does not mean the abolishment of national sovereignty and creation of a one world socialist utopia state. You keep going round and round in circles, why would a bunch of elite capitalists abandon their beloved ideology in favour of a socialist doctrine, it does not make since just like the whole NWO conspiracy.

And no I do not trust all my politicians, however unlike “theghostviking” and all you other “conspiracy theorists” I do not cherry pick politicians.

How hard is it to really understand what NWO? To me it seems it is really hard. If you guys think that NWO is something sinister then what are we World order are we currently at? To think that NWO would just be a magic explosion in a magical date doesn't appeal to me. If you really think about it the state we are currently at we are at the OWO and OWO is just expanding their reign and control making NWO and the Illuminati sound sinister is the greatest propaganda of the OWO. We are created with our own minds to think and analyze every fact (if there is even one) so why aren't we using it?

reply to post by kevinunknown


I don't guess you heard where George Soros another Bilderberg member said he was getting tired of Obama . He said Obama was not moving fast enough to socilism and the NWO . He made Obama what he is today .

reply to post by SimonPeter


Proof of this?

www.welt.de...

sarkozy has just said we need a new 'international' financial system..

reply to post by SimonPeter


Yes but I also heard that old Gorge was pulling the strings for Wikileaks in addiction to his other off the record activities. That one made me giggle, just shows how ridiculous the NWO crowd have become.

Originally posted by kevinunknown
reply to post by SimonPeter

 

, just shows how ridiculous the NWO crowd have become.

So why are you here ? Is it because fools prefer their own company?

Kevin when the NWO comes it will be too late, you will be part of the microchip population .
When will you wake up ? You can only worship the status quo for so long freind!

I agree somewhat with the OP, but it seems that there is a genuine fear of this NWO...

To me it seems like it is as many ideas as to what the NWO is as there is members here on ATS, and that to me is the only proof I need to know that this is just a word that seems more intelligent to use than just using the term "them/they".

The more dangerous/disgusting aspect of the use of the NWO is by nationalist movements like stormfront etc that uses it in the context of multiculturalism and immigration being a part of the NWO plan.

The use of the term "a new world order" is not proof.
For example, I want a new world order, but it doesn't mean I want the kind of world order that Bush jr and various neo-cons wants.

reply to post by kevin unknown


Think about this ; If you can bring America down and that's Soros' plan , you can bring them all down . Then you can reshape those nation states into a global scheme . Break their will and give them a new will .This will make a cohesive alliance that can be controlled easily . If you destroy the sometimes arrogant pride of America and disrupt their belief pattern then they can be nudged as Cass Sunstien of Obamas administration stated into Socialism . We would be like Canada .

reply to post by SimonPeter


I feel sorry for you.....

You have allowed yourself to become completely brainwashed by this illogical religion of conspiracy. You are an even bigger “Sheeple” than the average guy working the 9-5 in a mall. I know that I can never change your mind, only you can allow yourself to open up to the truth.

I remember reading once that a belief in conspiracies was akin to mental illness, didn’t really believe it at the time, but I am slowly becoming convinced.