Israeli connection to Abu Ghraib?, page 1

posted on Jul, 3 2004 @ 09:48 PM

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CNN has broken a story stating that a general says she met with an Israeli interrogator secretly in Iraq. Interesting...

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The former military commander of Abu Ghraib prison claimed Saturday that she met an Israeli interrogator who was working at a secret facility in Iraq.

Although Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski told the BBC in an interview that no Israelis were working at Abu Ghraib, she claimed that she met an Israeli interrogator at an undisclosed facility while she was escorting a retiring four-star general through Iraq last year.

"He was clearly from the Middle East and he said, 'well I do some of the interrogation here, and of course, I speak Arabic but I'm not an Arab, I'm from Israel," Karpinski said in an interview with the Today program on BBC Radio 4.

"My initial reaction was to kind of laugh because I thought maybe he was joking," Karpinski said.

"He did look like he was an Israeli. At that time he didn't elaborate any more than to say that ... he was working with them and there was people from lots of different places that were involved in the operation," Karpinski said.

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's Bureau issued a statement "emphatically denying" her information, saying that there was "no basis whatsoever to the reports."

An Israeli presence in Iraq could further turn Arab opinion against the coalition.

Karpinski, an Army Reserve officer, was relieved of duty in Iraq on January 17, a day after the coalition announced an investigation into allegations of abuse at Abu Ghraib.

The case erupted three months later when CBS broadcast graphic photographs of American troops posing for photographs with naked, hooded prisoners.

Karpinski, a self-proclaimed "scapegoat" for the abuses at Abu Ghraib, has given several interviews to the BBC to defend herself against allegations that she was to blame for the events at the prison.

Karpinski was rotated out of Iraq but says she was not officially notified of her suspension or the reason behind it.

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What so you think? Does this change anything? I know that a few of our people here were discussing this a few weks ago, and now here it is out in the open.

You gotta love ATS!

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Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

posted on Jul, 3 2004 @ 10:03 PM

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It doesnt surprise me in the least. the dirtbag Mossad seems to show up in the strangest places............

And given the Zionist mentality of the israelis...it wouldnt surprise me in the least. keeping thier presence was essential, since the Arabs hate jews and Israelis. Now that the bag is out, be prepared for a big backlash.

Jamuhn

posted on Jul, 3 2004 @ 10:30 PM

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I don't think they hate Jews. If they do, its just as much as they hate everyone else who isn't Arab or Muslim. Jews have been living in Arab countries for a long time, even before Israel was created.

Riwka

posted on Jul, 4 2004 @ 05:36 AM

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Originally posted by natas

"He did look like he was an Israeli"

wow.

"Good" argumentation skills.

The Jewish population of Israel is approximately 80% and Muslims make up about 15% of the population. Everybody knows, the birthplaces of Israelis are not only Israel-born.
For instance Moshe Katsav, President of Israel, is born in Yazd / Iran (which also is the home town of the Iranian President Khatami)

How does someone look who "looks like he is an Israeli"?

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judge

posted on Jul, 4 2004 @ 05:58 PM

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Israeli interrogators being present at the prison was suggested as far back as may 10th in this article by Wayne Madsen. He quotes the Tabuga Report which states, "In general, US civilian contract personnel (Titan Corporation, CACI, etc), third country nationals, and local contractors do not appear to be properly supervised within the detention facility at Abu Ghraib."

AceOfBase

posted on Jul, 4 2004 @ 06:04 PM

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Originally posted by Riwka

How does someone look who "looks like he is an Israeli"?

Maybe he had a tatto like this guy from the New York Times Abu Ghraib photos:

Riwka

posted on Jul, 5 2004 @ 03:31 AM

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The strength of world Jewry today is little more than 13 million. Jewish Population of Israel is about 30% of World Jewish Population (source: Israeli Central Bureau of Statistics)

At least 1,000 Jews are among the more than 100,000 U.S. military and civilian personnel in Iraq ...but...... they are no Israelis.

Serving in the Season of Liberation

For Military Personnel, Passover in Iraq Summons History, Symbolism

By Caryle Murphy
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, April 5, 2004; Page B01

Shortly after sundown tonight, Dick Reed will join a small group of other American Jews in Baghdad for a Passover service at one of Saddam Hussein's former presidential palaces.

The unusual venue -- hardly imaginable a year ago -- is only one of the reasons the night will be like no other.

The matzoh and bitter herbs for the Seder, or ritual meal, will be supplied by the Pentagon, the Torah scroll borrowed from Baghdad's last functioning synagogue and the services led by an Orthodox rabbi in U.S. military dress: Baltimore resident Mitchell S. Ackerson, senior Jewish chaplain for Operation Iraqi Freedom. [...]

Washington Post

.....btw: The Torah forbids getting a tattoo (Leviticus 19:28)

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Netchicken

posted on Jul, 5 2004 @ 03:39 AM

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Typical argument to wind up the Arabs even more against the coalition. (as if you needed any more excuses, they only way they could make it worse would be videos of the prisoners screwing pigs)

Its the same argument the Saudi Arabian government pulled to turn the populace against the Al Quaeda attackers. They described them as "Israeli terrorists".

It just hits a nerve with the average arab mohammed and creates a teeth gnashing knee jerk reaction.

Riwka

posted on Jul, 5 2004 @ 03:43 AM

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Originally posted by judge
Israeli interrogators being present at the prison was suggested as far back as may ...

His NAME is John Israel - that does not mean he is an Israeli.

Taguba's report

A report by US Major General Antonio Taguba into the abuse at Abu Ghraib referred to the activities of two private American contractors at the prison - interrogator Steven Stefanowicz of CACI International and translator John Israel of Titan Corp.

In his report, Taguba said he suspected that Stephanowicz and Israel were among those who were "either directly or indirectly responsible for the abuses at Abu Ghraib."

AFP / Aljazeera.Net: Israel: No interrogators in Iraq

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Transc3ndent

posted on Jul, 5 2004 @ 04:02 AM

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Originally posted by Riwka

.....btw: The Torah forbids getting a tattoo (Leviticus 19:28)

So what? most of the people in Israel don't even care what the Torah says.

Riwka

posted on Jul, 5 2004 @ 05:11 AM

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boker tov

Originally posted by Transc3ndent

Originally posted by Riwka

.....btw: The Torah forbids getting a tattoo (Leviticus 19:28)

So what? most of the people in Israel don't even care what the Torah says.

Yep.

But neither the name John Israel - nor a tattoo makes you "looks like an Israeli"

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judge

posted on Jul, 5 2004 @ 05:51 PM

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Originally posted by Riwka

Originally posted by judge
Israeli interrogators being present at the prison was suggested as far back as may ...

His NAME is John Israel - that does not mean he is an Israeli.

From the article..."Speculation that "John Israel" may be an intelligence cover name has fueled speculation whether this individual could have been one of a number of Israeli interrogators hired under a classified contract. "

Here two months ago a journalist has had the insight to see what was probably going on.
Now a US general confirms it. A US general confirms she actually met an Israeli interrogator.

Taguba's report

A report by US Major General Antonio Taguba into the abuse at Abu Ghraib referred to the activities of two private American contractors at the prison - interrogator Steven Stefanowicz of CACI International and translator John Israel of Titan Corp.

In his report, Taguba said he suspected that Stephanowicz and Israel were among those who were "either directly or indirectly responsible for the abuses at Abu Ghraib."

AFP / Aljazeera.Net: Israel: No interrogators in Iraq

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Well if Isarel themselves say they had no interrogators there and if you also believe this then that is good enough for me!

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