ANON Has Shut Down My Business--Paypal Related

Yes, that's another thing, as far as I know payments were not interrupted. In any case, although I might be being trolled I enjoy the thought experiment

reply to post by tothetenthpower


Silly... because you put all of your eggs in one basket, it is someone else' fault?

You could similarly could say that China selling off US Treasuries is hurting your business because the value of the USD is falling.... that your 401k is getting hurt because of behemoth budget shortfalls... that your neighbor's trashy Xmas lights are hurting your home value...

May I suggest that everyone dealing with Paypal take personal responsibility to find alternatives?

I myself with never for the rest of my life have anything to do with Paypal, Amazon, MC or Visa. Nothing. Am I hurting your business because I am part of a boycott of tyranny supporting businesses?

If you have a business interest, then you will find alternatives to Paypal, you will seek out ways of doing business with your clientele... if you're ideologically interested, then you'll make you'll stand your ground though the heavens fall.

I like Anon and personally I will likely boycott their targets for the rest of my life. Yours included.

reply to post by tothetenthpower


But aren't they the ones who cut off payments to wikileaks? I'd look for a different payment method that supports free speech. I personally closed my pay pal account and won't do biz with them anymore.

Originally posted by hawkiye
I have a private business that depends on paypal to collect funds also and have had a customer complaint on not being able to complete a transaction. I also had a problem with my account a few days ago. So because of a CIA construct lots of businesses are being hurt because a bunch of stupid kids think they are fighting the bad guys. That is the real collateral damage... Wake up folks WL is a government OPS to justify controlling the internet and all communications eventually icing on the cake for all legislation over the last several years leading up to this...

THEY CANT CONTROL THE INTERNET

ANON IS JUST A BUNCH OF KIDS DOING IT

IMAGINE WHAT REAL HACKERS CAN DO

they cant control the internet, its impossible, they would need to shut everything down and replace with another type of network, replace hardware ... but that would make them lose more money, so, they wont shut it down

they will probably arrest some fat boys, call them hackers ... so what ...

the reality too is that there are 10000000 computers infected with virus that allows a "controller" to simply launch an attack, so, this is far from what can be done

reply to post by hawkiye


"fanboys, fanboys, fanboys"

Let's see how many more times you can say the exact same thing in this thread.

What is it, like every other post?

Yeah, pretty much.

Someone just learned a 'new term' recently eh?

durp!

Some of you are soo far gone it is sickening.

What's more sickening..
is that you don't even realize it. lol

un-fn-real.

Ahmose~ the "WL fanboy" signing off.



edit: new avatar,
just for you. lol

We've been using Paypal since 2002...in their defense I say the fees they charge are directly in line with what others charge...look at Western Union and American Express (which charges MORE!) for example. Most credit card companies charge merchant fees as well. We have also NEVER had an unfair experience with them and these so called horror stories usually don't give all the facts. PayPal has definitely taken the "customer is always right" line of working out issues, but for sellers that's the way business should be done anyway. Yes, you have CYA big time with PayPal, but hey, you have to in any business situation these days. We have received well over 100 payments via Paypal since Tuesday and have not had a single customer complaint, nor have we been unable to access Paypal to print over 100 shipping labels...I call a BS on the whole thing.

Originally posted by Tippys Dad
There is no way Assange read all the information he disseminated - so really he's just throwing it out there without knowing what he's throwing. You and others may want to make him some sort of folk hero - but to others, like me, he's closer to being a terrorist than a hero. Just my opinion, I respect yours, I hope you can respect mine.

Actually, this is the very reason the leaks are coming out so slowly - they are taking time to redact them so as not to reveal any names and such like what happened with the Apache helicopter footage.

If memory serves correct, Wikileaks invited US officials to come and assist with the redactions, but were blown off.

Originally posted by DuneKnight

Originally posted by loveguy
Isn't paypal the middleman here?

Big brother came and stepped on his toes.

paypal said ouch, and removed their foot out from under the pressure.

Every action causes a reaction.

Let us not forget who the bad guy is here, shall we?

edit on (12/9/1010 by loveguy because: edit

Using words like Big brother and bad guy never helps your argument. Surely you are old enough to realize that the world is not out to get you. Assange is the villain here and should be treated like the terrorist he is. The government so far even in the wikileaks docs released showed how much it is dedicated to protecting the welfare of its citizens and not something mischievous.

Yeah, I know the "world" is not out to get me. But on the same token, there are people in the world who have a greater stake in their own interests than mine or yours. Governments have the obligation to their respective citizens, you and me. Unless you're a bureaucrat/aristocrat/banker/thieve you and I are on the same side...

Here's an observation I've made in my short lifetime;

People immigrate to and become Americans from all over the planet. Of those that I have met and come to know and like are just like you and me. We (become friends) count on our government to protect and preserve our interests in freedom, life, and liberty in the pursuit of happiness. Now who is throwing the obstacles at people like you and me to over-come?

Now who is taking a stand for those of us who lack the resources, ambition, and know-how to do battle against an oppressive "security" force?

"Transparency in government?"

Logistics.

Use something besides Paypal.

What kind of a business owner are you? Use your noggin.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
I watched this play out in the 1960's which were very much the same. Different issues but the same.

Did they have cyberwars back then?

You keep saying you "know" who anonymous are, but I don't think you actually have a clue. You just think you do because of something that happened 50 years ago and to make yourself sound educated.

I also think you're jealous. Jealous because they are now doing what YOU never had the guts or capacity to do "back in the sixties".....Something.

While they may have started many years ago as a group with a name, today it is impossible to categorise any of them as anything but an unknown group of individuals. They are many, they are everywhere, they are growing in number and they probably don't even know most of eachother. They are "anon"....don't you get it? So your definitions show nothing but ignorance. Please stop.

They are acting with TPTB as their primary target in defence of a worthwhile cause who's only crime is exposing truth and promoting freedom, and unlike you they are not trying to get people to join TPTB to change things from the inside. Fact is, the huge majority of people who enter politics or "the system" with good intentions these days will soon end up part of the pack and out for everything they can get. The time for wishing any kind of internal solutions is over. We need ACTION not ACTORS.

In a protest, businesses can get hurt that's why it's effective. If protests had no economic implications the government wouldn't want them to stop and perhaps reform. Same with paypal if you don't hurt them you don't change anything.

I'm sorry about your business really but somethings are worth more. If civil war broke out tomorrow and your business would crash would you also say the same? "Thanks guys now I can't make money anymore". The fight anon fights is bigger then you might think.

Take your money invest it in silver, work some more, wait a few years, sell silver get profit. Your economy is going down the toilet anyway, you can't blame one group for your loss, blame your entire society for being corrupt and for it to neccesitate such an action from anon. I know it's hard to swallow but all the bad things happening to the world or to you individually are concequences of past. If you see someone littering don't call that person bad, that person is the product of our society.

It's easy to criticize someone about the very distressing situation of losing income, and make judgments about their integrity and point fingers.

If the shoe was on the other foot, those of you who are being critical of the OP might have a different philosophy.
It's different when it's you. It's quite possible you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to his personal situation.

I hope this mess is resolved shortly.

reply to post by ladyinwaiting


Well, were I live I have to put up with this kind of stuff EVERY YEAR due to the metalworkers' extreme fondness for protests. And I don't really complain except when they really cross the line (burning peoples' cars) because I am aware that they have #ty jobs, and if they didn't protest they'd be virtual slaves. So there, I am able to give my opinion now?

reply to post by Blaine91555

first, fancy of you to assume that i was 'absent' from the radical push of the 60s, 70s & 80s ... contrary to your opinion, not only was i present, but a participant, a victim and suffered their failures as well as their successes.

Now, i did read your previous post and sadly, you are mistaken ... to participate IN or WITH the system IS supporting the terroristic, totalitarian antics, tactics and failures of the system. shame you don't see the truth before you.

I learned early on ... it is NOT what you do, what you know or how you apply that knowledge ... to 'gain' in the system, you either cheat, steal and lie OR call in favors from WHO you know, based on who groomed them and then wait patiently for your 'piece' of the table scraps ... there is no other way. Well, ok, maybe you define 'networking' differently but it is the same in most nations.

change is the direct effect of leverage ...nothing more. and presently, Anon seems to hold the greater amount of leverage ... if only just in numbers, commitment and desire. These are the forces of change, not rule of law or power of the Authority or imbalance but commitment and desire ... something the US is seriously lacking and has been for about 40 yrs now.

Originally posted by ladyinwaiting
It's easy to criticize someone about the very distressing situation of losing income, and make judgments about their integrity and point fingers.

If the shoe was on the other foot, those of you who are being critical of the OP might have a different philosophy.
It's different when it's you. It's quite possible you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to his personal situation.

I hope this mess is resolved shortly.

That's kind of a huge chunk of the problem -- It's Different When It's You. TTTP said, I think, that he supported Anon until their actions affected him. So why the double standard?

I would hope that if the shoe were on the other foot, I would keep the facts distinct. And if I didn't, I would hope that people would set me straight.

reply to post by ladyinwaiting


tttp said the following:

Way to go ANON. I'm officially NOT supporting you anymore.

Which means that he was supporting them until their actions affected him personally. That also means that if they had for example gone after Western Union or other company, in the process affecting other people's livelihood instead of his, he would still be supporting them.

You see the problem?

Economic collateral damage and people are still whining... maybe you would have preferred a real war? Get yourself a better company to handle your transactions, or continue using TPTB tools and be hit when there are people that actually do something for this crap to end.

boo hoo all wars have casualties, just be glad in this war it is monetary gain and your government hasn't put a gun in your hand and said fight the war for us or go to jail.

this is what's wrong with the US.. i will fight the good fight... as long as it's convenient..
not trying to be argumentative, but what your seeing is a revolution unfold in front of your very eyes.

reply to post by tothetenthpower


Have they brought paypal down permanently or just for a few hours?

second

reply to post by wcitizen


Paypal was never brought down. Traffic to the main page was temporarily interrupted. Payment transactions were not impacted. The op is full of it.