Ok, you tell me. Why should anyone support this Administration?

nyarlathotep & Muaddib,

This is not a Bush Bashing Thread in the least. In fact I specifically asked at the beginning NOT to post any return arguments to the questions being asked. Those questions were simply for any of the Current Administration Supporters, which includes the entire Admin. or at least the Key figures and not just Bush, to explain why it is they support the Current Admin.

More specifically though, not just why they elected them or why the personally like someone's character or whatever, but to give examples of what Positive things they have done for This Country and The People of this Country. Or the Environment, Economy, Poverty, Liberties, Heath Care, etc. That is all I was asking. The reason is because there seems to be so many Pro Bush and Pro Administration(Current) I wanted to know in their own words. What was it that they thought was so wonderful that any of these men have done for this country.

I don't know any other way to explain it or say what I'm saying here. Others seemed to get what I was asking at least in part and it was actually starting to get somewhere until you both came in crying 'Foul'. This isn't Mud Pit and it never was intended to be. But you two as well as others seem hell bent on doing nothing but Bitching about everything. Others of us, even when it would get a bit heated, still remained to stay half way civil. Try reading the posts again and see if you can tell the difference please before you continue to post!!! That goes for anyone else who sees this as mud pit material as well.

Mojom, I did what you said and went back and read the entire thread. Here is an excerpt from your original post:

Honestly, I would like to hear, in detail and with serious intelligent & enthusiastic examples and even supporting links when possible. Convince me why the Current Administration, primarily Bush and his Key Players, are such great Leaders for this Country. Show me just what it is that they have done for this Country that is so worthy and beneficial that others should support them. Explain to me why the Current Bush Supporters think so highly of everything that he and his key officials have and are doing.

So now I have to ask you, how has Sauron contributed to this thread? Why haven't you got after him? Where has he shown why Bush is a great leader? That was the point of this thread, right? All he has done is try to refute the reason others have posted why Bush is a great leader. He is the one who took this thread off topic by giving reason why Bush is not a great leader.

It was then and only then I made my post about being sick and tired of Bush bashers. Perhaps you should go back and read Sauron's posts and ask him why he posted reasons why Bush is a bad leader.

I think he needed to get a better handle on spending. This is my view only but there has to be huge waste of money and money that never makes it to where it is supposed to in the US govt.. I think, a President can sign executive orders, so in my opinion he needs to sign one freezing salaries for those in office for a specified time.

I am a christian, and he says he is one. Sept. 11th was a big deal for this nation. It was a MAJOR wake up call from God that we are moving far away from Him and also at a continually accelerating speed.

In the Bible God told the Israelites if you listen to me, if 1000 men attack you it will only take 100 of you to make them flee. If you move away from me it will only take 100 invaders to make 1000 of you flee.

How many men did it take to freak out 280 million on Sept. 11? 19
I was very pleased that Bush humbled himself and went on national tv and prayed for this nation. The trouble is he stopped, and he shouldn't have stopped doing this publically and at regular intervals.

Well at least bush is a leader and doesn't lead by appeasement but by power and he is more concerned with killing the enemy and terrorist then he is about getting his...sucked yeah way to go bill you had about 5 chances to kill soma but your intern was too busy under you desk tell that to the 2500+ people that died at 911.

oh and can we keep it down on the god stuff I don't believe in worshiping fictional character thank you have a nice day.


[edit on 4-7-2004 by WestPoint23]

That was a nice cheap shot WestPoint. It still doesn't explain why Bush is such a good president. He may be better than Bill Clinton or every single democrat out there, but it still doesn't justify why we should support Bush's administration. If you didn't remember, Clinton went to war in Kosovo to stop a genocide. I'm not trying to play on the democrat/republican thing because they seem pretty much like the same party to me. Why should we support the actions of either one.

What has Bush done for this country? He saved his freinds millions of dollars in taxes. What has he done? He has gone to war with a country because, as he claims, god told him to. But him and his cabinet are evil. People describe them to the likes of Hitler, and here is one reason why.

"# the Jews. They didn't vote for us."�Secretary of State James Baker III, speaking privately (attributed by The New Republic, 3/30/92)

Hmmm, is this the response you want from a politician? Almost makes Dick Cheney's mouth look clean. Almost.

Want more from Bush and his administration?
"Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?"
-Florence, S.C., Jan. 11, 2000
"Will the highways on the Internet become more few?"
-Concord, N.H., Jan. 29, 2000
"I was raised in the West. The west of Texas. It's pretty close to California. In more ways than Washington, D.C., is close to California."
-In Los Angeles as quoted by the Los Angeles Times, April 8, 2000
"I think we agree, the past is over."
-On his meeting with John McCain, Dallas Morning News, May 10, 2000
"It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it." -Reuters, May 5, 2000

Is it sad this man was elected 5 to 4 to run this nation? Even more scary is he has control of the nukes in this madhouse.

(non US resident)

After 911 i started seeing common sense being applied to the "terrorism" issue and pretty much sided with bush, and things were pretty black and white for me. There was a threat and it needed to be stopped, i didnt really care about all the details. I had the bias mental block installed thus giving me the *block ears lalalalalalala* syndrome.

Then Australias PM John Howard started to blindly follow and things went down hill over here, he was in the US at the time of the attacks and i think it really effected him.

The US started to rush into things and were spinning things their way while overdoing the whole patriotic freedom rally around the flag thing which i thought was a big mistake, they should have thought about why the attacks happened instead of getting enraged and wanting revenge, you guys are the self proclaimed "leaders of the free world" yet you handled the whole situation like children in a schoolyard. Then you switched targets and things went haywire, this alone, as well as bush's inability to rationalise and his overpowering moronic attitude forces me to realise that it is not healthy for him to hold the title of the "leader of the free world".

I know you live inside the US and have a totaly different prespective of the man, but you have to acknowledge that from an overseas perspective, the man makes a fool of himself and your country every time he opens his mouth. Were not being bombarded with news, images and white noise concerning him everyday like the US and its really shocking that so many people are behind him every step of the way.

All he does is divide and confuse other countries, all in the name of "freedom" and blah blah, there has to be other solutions.

Why are alot of people scared of leadership? For the first time in 12 years we have a leader in the White House. Clinton was a joke, he survived day to day with his finger in the air, and is the reason for alot of the problems we have today. We are just recovering from his failing economy, and his lack of response to terrorism led directly to 9/11. At least he was smart enought to know the Saddam was a threat, but did nothing about it. George Bush #1 compromised with democrats, by raising taxes and laying off Saddam the 1st time. If he wouldn't have cared what dems thought, we would be in W's 2nd term right now. We have a President right now that is protecting your butt, whether you like it or not! Here is a conspiracy for you. Bush will be reelected in a Reaganesque landslide, with the Clintons help, because nobody is going to get in Hillary's way in 2008. The democrat leadership gave up on 2004, how do you think John F'ing Kerry got the nomination in the 1st place. Can you say sacraficial lamb?

Posted by dlbrandt:

quote: Is Saddam Hussein a terrorist,

Posted by Sauron:

really says who?

That's interesting. I know who says that he's a terrorist! Why, it's our old friend Merriam Webster!!!

Taken from the online websters dictionary:

the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion

Funny, isn't it! to coerce, meaning to restrain or dominate by force. Hmm, using terror as a mean of domination. Now let's take a look at the facts! Sadam raped, killed, and tortured many of his OWN citizens in order to get them not to rise up against it! Heh, looks like he's a terrorist!

Really, I'm sick of morons trying to tell me that Bush is the real terrorist (Not saying at all that you're a moron sauron, just that alot of morons say that). Sadam IS a terrorist, and don't even try to tell me that Bush is one as well. Bush did not use terror to win. He used coercion, but he did not use TERROR as a MEANS of coercion.

[edit on 6-7-2004 by Herman]

Oh, and all these liberals that are saying Bush stole the election, "Your vote doesn't count" obviously haven't heard of a little thing called the electoral college.

Originally posted by nyarlathotep
Mojom, I did what you said and went back and read the entire thread. Here is an excerpt from your original post:
So now I have to ask you, how has Sauron contributed to this thread? Why haven't you got after him? Where has he shown why Bush is a great leader? That was the point of this thread, right? All he has done is try to refute the reason others have posted why Bush is a great leader. He is the one who took this thread off topic by giving reason why Bush is not a great leader.

nyarlathotep, thanx for staying on topic first of all. You're right Sauron was out of line. In fact he was first in being out of line as well. The only reason I didn't jump his ass for it was because he admitted himself he was out of line and so I figured there was no point in me saying anything since he obviously didn't care anyway. But perhaps I should have.

Also, if that was what you were upset about then I understand where you were coming from. That wasn't at all what I wanted this topic to be about as you know. I was hoping others would just ignore those posts and stay on target. Believe me, if there was something I could have done to stop them I would have.

MOjOm and nyarlthotp
You are both right I should not have posted my comments of Bush in this thread please except my apologies to both of you

You are right Mojom, Suaron admitted he went off track. I should have let it go and stayed on topic. Thanks for understanding.

Edit: Thanks for apologizing Sauron. hey no problem. I know how it is to be passionate about a topic, Lord knows I am guilty of that everyday.

[edit on 7-7-2004 by nyarlathotep]

OK, so imagine that I have never heard any of the pros or cons to voting for Bush and I want you to provide me with some verifiable facts demonstrating why I should vote for Bush in the upcoming election...How would you persuade me to vote for Bush/Cheney in November?

Ahhhhhhh........can't ya just feel all the love in the room!!!

Ok, now that we're all talking again in a civil manner, let's get back to it shall we? I still haven't got any replies that deal with what I'm asking.

Remember, this is not just about Bush, but the whole of his Administration as well.

Please look at Jezebel's post above and use that as a guide for answering. Also keep these other points in mind.

1.) Don't tell me why you voted for him, tell me what they've accomplished.

2.) Using the war on terrorism isn't a real good topic to base your argument on for a variety of reasons, so don't just use that as if it's the answer to everything. If you want to include that fine, but don't have that as your only point.

3.) Site accomplishments in areas like Economy, Health care, Jobs, Education, Environment, Foreign Policy, etc. (That's if any exist that is.) Also, give supporting links too if possible.

4.) Show multiple (if possible) areas that have been improved in the last 4 years since ALL THESE PEOPLE have been in office, that have convinced all of you Pro-Bush-Admin. people that they are doing a good job.

5.) Don't compare these guys to other Administrations as it's not relevant. Using Bill Clinton as an example showing what a bad leader he was isn't the same as showing what a Good leader Bush and his Admin. are, you see what I'm saying.

Also, thanks for all the replies so far, even though I'd say it is still lacking a whole lot of examples of what benefits America & it's People has received.

I would have a very difficult time convincing anyone to vote for Bush. So this is very OFF TOPIC but ... I just need to ask:

James the Lesser:

Why does your signature include this: "What are Frenchmen? Cheese eating surrender monkeys!".

Here's why I think all Americans should vote for Bush.

I am only half convinced myself of the validity of my own arguments, so please feel free to destroy me.

Bush's blunders and disastrous foreign policy decisions have one redeeming quality: they are sincere and honest efforts to dominate the world through military force - I refer here to the ideology of Rummy and Co. in the PNAC. The mask has fallen. The velvet glove that previously covered the hand of US foreign policy has turned into an iron gauntlet. There is no more pretense and smug comfort in fake justifications - the cards are on the table.

How could this be good?

First, Bush has put politics where it should be: at center stage. That's right, BUSH IS POLARIZING PEOPLE and forcing many Americans and others around the world to react, to take a stand and actually BECOME INVOLVED IN POLITICS. That's ultimately the goal of a democracy isn't it? Of course there is a slight problem with the US media (slight!), but then again there seems to be a backlash going on right now which has contributed to the success of Farenheit 911. So Bush has revived the political debate from the ashes of consumerism. Well done.

Second, this polarization is starting to get people to think about their basic values, what it means to be American (I speak from a French perspective here) and how these values are to be projected around the world. The torture debate is a great example of this. There is open talk about 'Empire building'. At least Americans are asking the hard questions.

Third, the entire world including the Chinese (I live in Shanghai) now realize that what happens in America affects the entire world and must be closely followed. Protectionism is no longer an option, people are finally waking up to that. Challenges are rising against the Bush vision of coporate-led globalization. Bush can be credited with reviving the left, not just in the US but around the world.

Fourth, the mistakes that Bush has made are likely to take decades of enlightened leadership to fix up. Americans and their children and grandchildren will pay the price. What is good about that you ask? Well to be a good leader, one needs to be humble and share in a little suffering of the majority of the world's citizens. You fall when you become too comfortable, not when you are aware.

It's open season, go for it and nail me. Of course, personnally I feel that Bush has done enough damage in four years and should not be re-elected... But there are positive aspects to spreading EVIL the way he does, it only strengthens the resolve and spurs the creativity of those who believe in a peaceful future, one based not on missile shields but international cooperation.

Props to the posters in this thread for at least attempting civility in this discussion. Quite rare in threads with this subject matter.

I'll not try to 'convince' anyone one way or another. I can explain why I'll be voting for Dubyah. It's simple, really. What it boils down to is:

There are lots of people out there who would love to kill and mutilate us all. As others mentioned, at least GWB is giving back. I'm sorry, but sucking up to France and the rest of the liberal crony governments of the world isn't going to do us one shred of good. Does anyone really think that if things went south for the US, any of these countries would lift a finger to help? Most would just sit back and watch, or try to get their cut of us once it was all said and done. We do have a few loyal countries with us, and they deserve our help and respect in all areas. The rest of the world can feck off.

Insofar as foreign relations are concerned, can anyone else give me one instance when Russian and American presidents tooled around the 'back 40' of one of their ranches in a pickup?

Say what you will about the economy, but my profession, which lies in the allegedly 'hardest hit' manufacturing sector, is booming. We're all working like dogs just to keep up with continually increasing demand. Q1 of this year was the best, economically speaking, in the last 20+ years if you believe the people who analyze this sort of thing.

As for the tax cuts-I don't recall getting a check back to me in the mail due to the actions of any other president besides GWB.

As far as the opposiiton, I don't really see much from the other camp besides rhetoric. I keep seeing Kerry telling us all how Bush is bad, how he was a "war hero" in Vietnam, how he would do a better job, how much better hair he and Edwards have, etc. Where's the substance? How does he propose to do better? From all I've read, I would suggest he use his Fonda-coddling self-proclaimed "war hero" title very loosely. Talk to some real 'Nam vets--they don't like him! His voting record is spottier than a cheetah on the Serengetti. I see him taking a stand, only it's for whatever side of an issue is politically expedient at the time rather than for any core beliefs. Does he in fact posess any?

I could go on, but I think that's enough of a rant for now. Again, I don't claim to try to sway anyone to one side or another. Personally, GWB has done OK by me. I won't say he's the greatest--he's of course made some mistakes--but I think he's done surprisingly well with the hand he's been dealt. I view Kerry as an amalgamation of all things wrong with politics in America, and as a crony for the rest of the corrupt world governments whose pocket he resides in.

These are my views, take them as you will. This is what the thread's about, so I've tried to deliver as best as possible.

[edit on 8-7-2004 by Q]

Oh yes, Bush has really done a great job in these past four(almost 4) years, that he had to include the "Patriot Act" into law. It is such a good law that it give the police the right to stop anyone they please , for any reason to search peoples cars without warrants, and to terrorize 2 , 3 1/2 year old children by yelling at and threatening the children's grandmother when she's only trying to be helpful so she can be on her way, OH YES SUCH A WONDERFUL LAW that George W Bush installed making it legal for the police to do anything they want to the citizens of the U.S. and the citizen's can do NOTHING to protect their selves from the injustice that is done to them, .

The day when that S.O.B. is out of office I hope someone hangs the Bastxxd by his monkey ears and beats the livin tar out of him for in-acting such a horrorable law and trying to take our rights away from us.

Bush has already put us into a "police states" ( 1st shoe has dropped), now all we have to do is wait for the (2nd shoe to drop,) Martial Law to be called.

Bush & Co, sure has been doing a great job, Blah, when pigs fly !



Sorry mOjO .

[edit on 8-7-2004 by nanna_of_6]

Thank You, Q!! That was, IMO, the first post which was aimed at answering my questions in the method that I was looking for. If I could give you an applause I would. I can't so I'll just hope a mod will on behalf of me.

Don't get me wrong though, Analyst, your post was also worthy of mention in here, although, not in the same way as Q's post was. At least, not IMO & from the perspective of what I was looking for as far as answers from other members.

Q, you did tackle this from the perspective that I was looking for and I did find it interesting and I hope others will too. I also think others may find it a useful guide in what to shoot for, if and when they decide to make their posts. You started to wander a bit at the end when you started in on Kerry and all that, But until then you did excellent!!

BTW, what is it that you 'manufacture', as you said that you are dong the best ever, even though your area was supposed to be one of the hardest hit? Why do you suppose that you or your particular division of the 'Manufacturing Sector' or whatever didn't experience the same loss of jobs and/or government funding or whatever that the others did?

Also, as for those Tax cuts and the check in the mail thing. I assume you mean the IRS Tax Advance thing that was used to stimulate the economy. Now, I could be wrong about this, but from what I understood about how it works it that it just estimated based off your return the year before and assumed that if you got back at least $300 then you'd get it again in 2001 so they sent you that money in advance. Then after you filed, they would send you anything over that initial $300 you were owed and if you weren't supposed to get back that $300 after all, they went ahead and let you have it anyway.

Anyway, the point is though, is that the money was going to be yours anyway, you just got it a little early based on past Tax Records. This also allowed them to NOT really lower the Tax Tables since in doing so along with the advance would have been considered a Double-Tax Cut. So in reality, IMO, it was a bit of a scam actually. You can read it in a little better and clearer version here:
The Tax Relief Checks Sent to U.S. Taxpayers in 2001 Are Not Really Refunds-Truth!
www.truthorfiction.com...

Also, it's ok to try and 'convince' me of why I should vote for Bush again based off what he and his admin have accomplished. I know that isn't your goal and I thank you for not attempting to sway anyone and all that. But just for this one thread, it's ok to kinda 'Act' like you are trying to convince me. Because I'm also 'Acting' like I don't already know what has or hasn't been going on and asking others to kinda give a pseudo presentation of the 'Bush Admin in Review' in order to inform me of what he and his cabinet have done for America and The People over the past 4 years. So, it's ok to think of it as Convincing Someone since that is kind of what this thread is about, in a way. Ya see what I mean?

Great post though Q.