Monsanto - Bayer Engineering Death: Bees, Bats and You?

Originally posted by SLAYER69
Another Nail in Monsantos coffin

Germany bans cultivation of GM corn

You honestly think you can take down Monsanto by banning GM crops? Monsanto has rapidly been buying up organic farms because they want to corner every single part of this market. What surprises me is that monopoly laws are not being enforced. I happen to know a few independant organic farmers and they all say the same thing, they are being pressured to sell and the sad thing is that Monsanto and companies like it will often push the limits of the laws governing organic farms, to the point that the farm risks their organic status.

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984

I happen to know a few independant organic farmers and they all say the same thing, they are being pressured to sell and the sad thing is that Monsanto and companies like it will often push the limits of the laws governing organic farms, to the point that the farm risks their organic status.

That was what bill S-510 the Food Safety Farce was all about.

Recession, the massive, hidden tax change in Obama Care (1099 rule change) and soon all the red tape and trackback for lawsuits from the new law. You would have to be insane to want to stay a farmer.

Forget insurance coverage. After 9/11 and the e-coli at the North Carolina State fair illness, food borne illness is now an exclusion on my insurance coverage as is damage from terrorist attacks.

reply to post by crimvelvet


Understand this is a world wide issue and not simply an american one. I take major issue with a single company buying up all of the food producing farms. This is Monsantos end goal and they are marching toward it.

However also understand that organic farming can be worse for the envrionment that other farming methods. Organic farms can use pesticides, they simply use organic pesticides which are often worse than synthetic ones as they often tend to last in the environment whereas the synthetic kind are continually being developed to break down.

However once again this entire argument could be voided if we adopted indoor hydroponics. I have written letter upon letter asking the government for funding to further this technology and i haven't gotten anything other than a standard letter reply. This is down to companies like monsanto of course because their pesticides would be useless if this came to pass.

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Syngenta

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
S+F!

Okay here's a bit of wild speculation on my part, but take a look at the big picture and possible reason behind Monsanto's use of this pesticide; Most are viewing the bee die off as a side effect or a lack of concern for the environment - what if the real goal was to create the die off as a means of preventing bees from cross-pollinating crops in the wild - i.e., outside of Monsanto's control?

First off, excellent report Slayer!

As for Blackmarketeers comment, I clearly remember that Monsanto has been lawyering up and legislating "pollination" where possible for decades. If memory serves me, early on, perhaps 30 or more years ago, farmers purchasing Monsanto hybrid seeds were contracted to not save any seed from the mature plants. Despite the breakdown in the hybrids in the very next generation there are always chances for beneficial genetic combinations to come from the progeny of hybrid seeds. They did not want to compete with themselves no matter how remote the possibility. Keep in mind this was merely hybrid corn, they were not yet to the level of the insect proof GM frankencorn. Another part of their contractual agreements had to do with farmers agreeing to not plant non-hybrid plants within cross pollination distance of the hybrid seed grown plants. For instance if a factory farm was contracted by Monsanto to grow corn for seed for selling in the next growing season, they didn't want any genetic leakage from non-hybrids into next years' hybrid seed. Monsanto would go as far as contracting with and paying adjacent farms to not grow corn for this reason. Also, as you can imagine, they did not want the traits of their hybrids to escape into the public domain, aka the neighboring cornfield. It's been a long twisted journey to where they are now.

Keep in mind that some crops, corn in particular, does not need insects for pollination. Corn, wheat and most grasses are "wind" pollinated. Thus these plants are planted in close proximity to each other acre after acre, a light breeze can carry the pollen from plant to plant. I would imagine these grains are Monsantos' "bread and butter" if you'll pardon the expression and they might not give a damn whether there will be bees for the rest of us. And so the bee decline from the various aspects of the GM plants could easily be an unintended consequence rather than a designed outcome. Either way a big NG.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

What gives them the right to create the situation whereby they cause the Unnatural extinction of possibly not just one but two ancient species? Not only that, but how is this possibly affecting the food chain on the whole?

Well lets go back into history a little.. as to who gives them the power and about that extinction stuff and YOU

This is a clip from the French documentary "The World According to Monsanto." It summarizes the history of Agent Orange, a toxic herbicide produced by Monsanto, Dow Chemical, and other companies. It was sprayed extensively during the Vietnam War, leading to a horrific variety of adverse health effects. Monsanto conducted deliberately flawed and coercive studies to "prove" that Agent Orange was safe, causing many Vietnam veterans to be denied sufficient health benefits.

In the late 1990's, Monsanto changed its focus from chemicals like Agent Orange to biotechnology. It now indirectly controls approximately 60% of the world food supply. Monsanto insists that its genetically modified crops are safe

The History of Agent Orange



Funny how the Agent Orange is suddenly in the news again

Monsanto Manufactured Agent Orange Afflicts Subsequent Generations

In the 1960s, at the request of the United States military, Agents Orange and Purple— very toxic and lethal herbicides used in the Vietnam War—were tested on a wooded area in CFB Gagetown, a Canadian military base located in the province of New Brunswick.

Canada probes 1960s Agent Orange tests on military base
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U.S. military tested Agent Orange in Panama
www.highbeam.com...

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You have to wonder about companies like Monsanto in the grand scheme of things. If you know history you know that dictators have fallen down due to one issue or another, usually revolving around food supply, media control or a combiantion of various factors. Now look at our world.

You have monsanto controling the food supply.

You have Rupert Murdoch controlling the media, to the point that when a minsters declares war on Murdoch that minister finds himself in hot water and almost fired within days.

It does seem as if people are positioning themselves strategically. If these people wanted to control the world it wouldn't be difficult, they just need to cooperate. Any country saying no would find themselves with farmers who don't have seed and a media that hates the government.

Great new threads up.

Check it out here.....
Bee Viruses Spread via Flower Pollen, study finds (the final answer?)

reply to post by SLAYER69


Thank you for the linkage Slayer.

What a great thread on the Bee matter/topic. Very well presented and it is nice to see it was rec'd so well.

You deserve all the S&F it generatged. and I hope the you have raised the level of wareness. Well, you did in my case. Take care

What I don't understand is how Monsanto get so many people to actually work for them.
I mean, how do these 22,000 or so average Joe's sleep at night, or all they all blissfully ignorant of the death and destruction they are enabling?

Also, how come Anon doesn't do something useful for a change and go after these mega-corps?

I'm not going to say it's connected but.......

We should be keeping an eye out for just this type of stuff. They could be related.
Massive fish kill blankets Arkansas River

(CNN) -- Arkansas officials are investigating the death of an estimated 100,000 fish in the state's northwest, but suspect disease was to blame, a state spokesman said Sunday.

Dead drum fish floated in the water and lined the banks of a 20-mile stretch of the Arkansas River near Ozark, about 125 miles northwest of Little Rock, said Keith Stephens of the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission. A tugboat operator discovered the fish kill Thursday night, and fisheries officials collected some of the dying animals to conduct tests.

I don't understand how they sleep at night either. But, I'm sure there is quite a bit of "brainwashing" that goes on for the average joes that work there. Some people are easily fooled. I have the hardest time convincing dad that pharmaceutical drugs are bad for him, and he already knows that some of the drugs are terrible. That shows how strong the words of authority penetrate some people. And, some people probably "live with it," knowing they are getting good paycheck.

Of course we know that there are total scum bags that work at Monsanto too. These are your true criminal types, they don't see anything wrong with mowing over farmers and people's lives to make a dollar. We've got to stop letting the criminals rise to power.

Troy

Originally posted by SLAYER69
I'm not going to say it's connected but.......

We should be keeping an eye out for just this type of stuff. They could be related.
Massive fish kill blankets Arkansas River

(CNN) -- Arkansas officials are investigating the death of an estimated 100,000 fish in the state's northwest, but suspect disease was to blame, a state spokesman said Sunday.

Dead drum fish floated in the water and lined the banks of a 20-mile stretch of the Arkansas River near Ozark, about 125 miles northwest of Little Rock, said Keith Stephens of the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission. A tugboat operator discovered the fish kill Thursday night, and fisheries officials collected some of the dying animals to conduct tests.

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We've definitely got something going on, on this planet. I wouldn't shock me that there is some corporation(s) at the bottom of this, in some fashion.

Troy

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Well now we have several good threads going with much wild speculation. COULD? they be related?

They are worth a read IMO.

Birds Dieing All Over The World!
Hundreds of dead birds... this time... in Sweden!

Another good read.....


Avian and Aquatic deaths reported across the Globe - What could be the cause?

WikiLeaks Uncovers Government Bee Killing Conspiracy

While the WikiLeaks media frenzy may have been focused on the release of tens of thousands of classified military and U.S. State Department documents, it's a leaked Environmental Protection Agency document that has conservationists, environmentalists and beekeepers abuzz.

The November 2nd memo, leaked to a Colorado beekeeper, indicates that the EPA was well-aware that the pesticide Clothianidin posed some serious risks to honey bees. There have been concerns about this chemical from as far back as 2003, and it's already been banned in Germany, France, Italy and Slovenia because of its toxicity. But the EPA chose to sweep all that under the rug to keep the pesticide on the market.

I have to believe monsanto has found a way to pollinate crops, by some means, and has plans in place to charge for this "service" as the bees do die out. This will be the result of this end-game bee scenario if it is brought to fruition.
I wouldn't put it past them to have engineered this die out for $$$...

With all the Animal Die offs in mind
I dedicate this song to my fellow human beings....
MAN it's been one hell of a ride!

Wik-Bee Leaks: EPA Document Shows It Knowingly Allowed Pesticide That Kills Honey Bees

According to a time line provided by PANNA, the sordid story begins when Bayer first applied for registration of clothianidin in 2003. (All of the documents to which I link below were provided to me by PANNA.) By 2003, U.S. beekeepers were reporting difficulties in keeping hives healthy through the winter, but not yet on the scale of colony collapse disorder. In February of this year, the EPA’s Environmental Fate and Effects Division (EFED) withheld registration of clothianidin, declaring that it wanted more evidence that it wouldn’t harm bee populations.