Anti Moore Nitwits, leave us alone.

Moore apparently presented this within the normal "divide and conquer," paradigm, the political story. While the globalists engineered 911, and Bush is likely nothing more than a helpless spectator who cannot protest, one sidedness and blindness predominates his imitation 911 movie.

Not only are issues ignored in the same fashion that the news media ignores these things, but only a few fine points are illuminated if you get my meaning.

It is not about Bush and this usual political concept, Moore is simply another side of the polarized problem reaction solution scenario. The only issues that matter are whether we are better informed and therefore strong and free as individuals having agreed rights under for example the Constitution, and whether we are ignorant as our rights diminish daily by facist globalism from the likes of Leo Strass and others.

Honestly his UN saving the day scenario is rubbish, since globalist are the same people who implemented 911, and placed our government in the role of "helpless spectator," and/or assistant undersecretary of la la land. In some cases they may be enthusiastically supporting this due to superficial economics, eg. billions in defense dollars.

So shortly after 911 I wrote on MSNBC chat:

Lap dance in Miami $137.98, Box cutters $2.37 at Kmart, First Class Plane tickets $9.242.50....an unlimited budget for national defense...Priceless.

[edit on 5-7-2004 by SkipShipman]

Originally posted by FlyersFan
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Anti-Moore people don't trash Moore because he is right. We trash him because he is dead wrong. It's very simple. He is dead wrong, he is dragging people down into the darkness of ignorance with him, AND he is bad for America. Pro-Moore people are welcome to pretend otherwise, and to try to convince themselves that Bush is guilty of slander, when in fact it is Michael Moore who is slanderous. His whole film is slander and lies. Continue to pretend whatever you like ... Michael Moore is a liar and an idiot who is stealing the money of those who pay to see his ignorant propaganda.

Why don't you explain how he is "dead wrong." Any of you Bush supporters. TRY and explain how Moore is wrong. Please, I beg you.

You can't...

Originally posted by zero_snaz
I also see alot of the dribble Bush says is biased and unfactual. The Commision on 9/11 saying Osama and Sadam not having any strong ties to each other, with Bush responding that they did, only evidence is his word.
Any 'hollywood' movie that has a strong left agenda goes under the radar. I wouldn't really say that F-9/11 was a hollywood movie. 'Spartan' with Val Kilmer, showed the White House in a bad light, and it went under the radar.

It must be horrible being a Right-Winged Conservative. I mean, with the entire media industry out to get you and promote their quazi-communist social ideals. Being bombarded by all the news-papers, televison, hollywood and radio. It's a good thing you have your guns.

If you are going to use the 9/11 commission as a source, please do so correctly. What they said was, and I'll be paraphrasing the head of the commission, while there is evidence of a link between al qaeda and hussein, it is, however, not for 9/11.

OBTW. If your last paragraph is indicative of your wit, the Vast-Right-Wing-Conspiricy has no worries.

Originally posted by thematrix
Would you mind reading the thread before replying?
This thread HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT MOVIE!!!!!!!!
Apart from that a load of fanatic TICKS can't see anything else anymore then F9/11 and they attack other users on any subject even remotely relating to the subjects covered in F9/11, saying they have inspired all their info and their topic on that damn movie.

I'll repeat it again. That movie has been around for a few weeks. These topics have been around for years, and the members even longer in some cases.

Would you mind reading the response before replying?
My response HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT MOVIE!!!!!!!!
I have never seen, nor do I have any intention of seeing that piece of fiction.

It is quite apparent that you consider Mr. moore to be in a higher position than that of America. After all, that is why you gave him a M and America a lowercase a, isn't it?

Or are you part of the blame/hate America first crowd?

[edit on 7/7/2004 by BigJohn]

So ignore the awards Moore's film has received. Ignore the fact that Bush has caused Republicanism to become a joke. Ignore the fact that you don't have a single piece of evidence to support your tenuous position. Ignore the facts that prove Bush is a crook and a moron.

Cling tightly to your right-wing knee-jerk, partisan stupidity. Close your eyes and plug your ears and hum loudly until the next election. It's makes no difference whatsoever to me.

What facts are you refering to, when you state that "Bush is a crook and a moron"?

In addition, would you please enlighten me with your reasoning that you would be any different than "Cling tightly to your right-wing knee-jerk, partisan stupidity".

[edit on 7/5/2004 by BigJohn]

Originally posted by Thorfinn Skullsplitter
Why don't you explain how he is "dead wrong." Any of you Bush supporters. TRY and explain how Moore is wrong. Please, I beg you.

You can't...

Can you explain why you think he is correct?

[edit on 7/7/2004 by BigJohn]

Originally posted by Thorfinn Skullsplitter
Why don't you explain how he is "dead wrong." Any of you Bush supporters. TRY and explain how Moore is wrong. Please, I beg you.

You can't...

I'm not speaking from the standpoint of a supporter of any political party, but as one who is not blinded by hatred for an individual. But I have shown direct quotes from Richard Clarke where he states that he told MM in advance that one major premise of the movie that MM tries to tie directly to Bush was in fact false and misleading. In my mind, deliberately attempting to pass a premise that you know is false, inaccurate, and misleading equates to "dead wrong".

Originally posted by shanti23

Originally posted by jsobecky
It makes a world of difference when Moore is attempting to plant a seed of direct complicity between Bush and the order to fly.

My personal opinion is that bush would have trouble tying his shoelaces, let alone organising the horrendous mess that is the 'war against terrorism' (although, richard clarke may shoulder the blame for that too, who knows?)

Do you know anything at all about Richard Clarke's political background? It doesn't seem like you do, because your statement makes absolutely no sense at all.

Instead of launching another personal attack at Bush, why not address the part of my post that you quoted? I think it is because there is no defense, so you are trying to deflect attention from it, correct?

Originally posted by jsobecky
The article states why Clarke made the decision. And why not fly out all muslim nationals? Maybe because all muslim nationals don't have the name bin Laden.

Osama bin Laden responsible for 9-11?
Hell, lets give his family private planes and fly them out to safety, what a master-stroke of security brilliance, what a credit to the intelligence gathering community richard clarke must be.
[edit on 5-7-2004 by shanti23]

Are you saying that bin Laden was not responsible for 9/11? Your feelings on this may very well explain your cozenage.
Once again, I don't think you know anything about Richard Clarke, or what happened on 9/11. All you seem to be able to do is to launch an attack on any name that is put before you.

whats wrong with being anti-moore? does it offend you pro-moore people? like say this image?

slandering the slanderer is only right.

The more experienced participant of sites like ATS totaly heard or saw nothing new in that docu. And if they went to see it, like me, came outside with the thought in their mind of, hrm, this smoking gun had a limp barrel ...

While I agree with you that the content of Moore's documentary was/is available for open minded, curious people to find on ATS and many other sites - I am still very glad that he made this movie. Because, it is not the open minded, fact seeking people like us who need to see it. It is 'joe neighbor' and his family that have chosen to bury their head in the sand thus fa that really need to see this film. This movie is getting lots of press and lots of attention and that is a good thing if it helps a few more folks see the light. I'm bummed that the movie got an R rating - PG 13 would have been better IMO, then it would reach a larger audience. I'm buying the movie when it comes out since it is a well organized compilation of historical data - one that I plan to share with my Great Grandchildren some day. This is important stuff, and most of the public is not as enlightened as the people who frequent ATS.

About your main point - I agree that it sucks for people to assume that opinions and facts that people have held and known for years come from a recent documentary.

maybe if there were more facts in the movie that would all be true...

[edit on 6-7-2004 by namehere]

Originally posted by FlyersFan
On the subject of a libel suit brought by the White House against Michael Moore.

That would be EXCELLENT, and no doubt the White House would win. However, this president and his lovely wife have a lot of class. More than Michael Moore could have in 100 life times. Based on recent behavior, I doubt G.W. would bother to lower himself to Michael Moores level.

You're correct about this one, FF. The funny part is, Bush is probably only mildly aware of who MM is, and couldn't care less.

The funnier part is, if Bush said something similar about MM, you can bet he'd (Moore) be wailing about it to every camera and mic that got shoved in his face. Just like he tried to mislead the public about the Miramax/Disney "censorship" fiasco (which he knew was BS before he ever complained - just like his "facts" in F911). Just another attempt to drum up publicity.

When Clinton left the White House, he and his demon hord left it in shambles. Porn graffiti on the walls, equipment damage, etc. G.W. could have embarrassed Clinton and shown everyone the extremely disrespectful and damaging things that Clinton and his goons did. BUT, G.W. took the high road and just documented the damage and had it repaired. BTW - it was us tax payers that paid for the repairs to the White House that were needed after Clinton left.

They used the toilets but didn't flush. Well, it takes time to potty train children. Some people make it all the way to the presidency without learning to keep their fly zipped.

[edit on 7/5/2004 by FlyersFan]

from AmethystWolf
Because, it is not the open minded, fact seeking people like us who need to see it. It is 'joe neighbor' and his family that have chosen to bury their head in the sand thus fa that really need to see this film. This movie is getting lots of press and lots of attention and that is a good thing if it helps a few more folks see the light.

A caller on a talk radio show said that a viewer of the movie, a doctor, walked out and said that, based upon the movie, he was switching his vote from Bush to Kerry. He said he was "amazed to learn of the Bush links to the Saudis".

These type of uninformed people need to do more than see F911 to form a viewpoint.
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