Freemason/Illuminati Symbols in Movies-The Black and White Checkered pattern

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
How can you fully understand your decisions surrounding masonry, if upon entering in, you don't know anything, or where it leads or what it might really signify?

It has lead me to better myself as a person, I try to do more for others without thinking of myself. I do not see how this would cause a spiritual problem.

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by Sentinel412
Masons are making decisions, but unfortunately where hierarchy lies, corruption, blind following and blind faith lies. Masons are not an exception in this matter.

Considering we elect our Grand Lodge officials for one year terms I do not see how the entire hierarchy can be corrupt unless everyone was corrupt.

Same as in Democracy with it's four year terms. In Democracy you also elect the officials, then you can see the result. Same goes in the Masonry. This is why I'm not intending to join them and the primary reason why I rejected them. I don't like "important clubs" where everyone is living an illusionary world.

Originally posted by phatpackage

As I adviced you kiddo, cool down, because this style is not going to achieve anything in my case. When you can address people properly, then we can return to normal discussions.

And everyone who knows me here on ATS also knows that I'm always explaining everything. If the addressing and the behavior is correct. You don't have style, you can't speak normally. You're just wasting your and also my time with your trolling.

Originally posted by Sentinel412
Same as in democracy. In democracy you also elect the officials, then you can see the result. Same goes in the Masonry. This is why I'm not intending to join them and rejected them.

I am not aware of any other democratic system that changes its leadership every year. Care to enlighten everyone on what one this may be?

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus

I edited the four year parallel with your reply. But you're right. Regardless from this, I don't trust them. Yet. They didn't earn my trust until this time. So I rather represent my independent angelic side, where I'm the Grand Master and the only member. At least in my "club" there is no chance to be corrupt as my lil' guardian angel knocks me out for the first sign of corruption.

reply to post by Sentinel412

You're just wasting your and also my time with your trolling.

Trolling? I am the one sticking to thread topic. I ask you again you said you know that the Mason's are responsible for planting these symbols & imagery. I would like to see it? You are the one who is diverting from the topic by called me a kid & insulting my parents. But actually keep calling me kid I like it as I have not been called that for years!
Just because you have a black & white checkered floor and someone's opinion. Hmmmmm that is Mason bashing. There is no evidence to support the OP's claims

Originally posted by phatpackage
reply to post by Sentinel412

I still don't see the proper addressing and style in your response, just the usualy psycho kid troll style. As you can see I'm gladly speaking with others. But you're not on this list.

So try again, kiddo.

Originally posted by Sentinel412
I edited the four year parallel with your reply. But you're right.

You are comparing what you know, The Republican system of the United States, to a system that you do not, Masonry in the Unites States jurisidictions. We do not have party affiliations in our elections, we do not have multiple terms or allow repeat holdings of the same elected offices. It is very disimilar.

Regardless from this, I don't trust them. Yet.

That is your perrogative.

They didn't earn my trust until this time.

I did not realize that Masonry had to earn your trust.

So I rather represent my independent angelic side.

If that is what you feel works for you then by all means do so. I enjoy being a part of a charitable orginization (among the various other activities that round out my personal life).

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus

Next time, if they're going to invite me... for the third time, maybe I'm going to accept their invitation... as a guest. But I don't like organizations in general. It's always reminded me for... "clubs" where people are feeling themselves so important, in many cases without any true background.

I did not realize that Masonry had to earn your trust.

It's a two way street and I'm a hard nut to crack. I never trust in anyone blindly. Masons are not my enemy, but they're also not my ally. They're neutral in my book.

Originally posted by Sentinel412
Next time, if they're going to invite me... for the third time, maybe I'm going to accept their invitation... as a guest.

Out of curiosity, where do you reside? In my jurisidiction (New Jersey) we are not allowed to invite anyone.

But I don't like organizations in general. It's always reminded me for... "clubs" where people are feeling themselves so important.

Understood. I can however relate my own experiences which are no where near what you mentioned.

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus

I reside in Hungary, not in the United States. I'll move to the U.S. only in 2011.

Understood. I can however relate my own experiences which are no where near what you mentioned.

Good to hear.

Allow me to clarify, and for the record I am not a mason hater by any means, I just think they've been tricked or duped into being "framed" within the wrong contextual frame of reference, that's all.

In the Garden of Eden allegory, the snake which temps Adam and Eve, is the rising serpent of kundalini awakening, up through the 33 vertibrae, and the chakras, which temps man, in his final self-aware realization, into rising above his appropriate stature, being made in the image of God to contain the living spirit of the living God but in an eternal I-Thou relationship WITH God (walking hand in hand with God in paradise), and thus, into a rebellion against God, separating man from God, in effect, trying to enter the kingdom of heaven (eternity) with ego and self-will still in tact ie: a thief. We were then banished from that garden, but not without a promise that from the lineage of the woman, God would crush the head of the serpent, because after all, only God can be God, Absolute, transcendant.

Now then, knowing man's real nature, by design, to contain the fullness of the Godhead, while at the same time maintaining and honouring the I-Thou relationship WITH God, so that the higher will of God, the will to love, can be made manifest, and the tree of life, re-presented ie: gateway point of access, or the true gate, what do we see rendered in Jesus, and in his cross, but the twin pillars of a severe justice on the one hand, and a tender mercy on the other (two sides of the cabbalistic tree of life), and yet again, this symbol is bypassed in freemasonry, or rejected whereby that same authority bestowed upon Christ at his baptism, is then laid onto the masons by their worshipful master "this is my son in whom I am well pleased."

In other words, it is anti-Christ and does not make use of the whole Biblical framework as intended, that we might find our way back to God, to walk hand in hand with him again, as intended, so that God might come to live with us, and make his home with us, and it is therefore, Satanic.

Well it does turn up alot, but it can be argued that the checkerboard pattern is often used in filmmaking because it helps add depth to the 2D image.

reply to post by Sentinel412


OK (By the way my wife is rolling with laughter at the Kid title .... I like it Thank You!) OK I will ask nicely. In your previous post you say

he doesn't need to prove anything because I know he is right.

Please tell us what you know on how he is right? Many Thanks

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
In other words, it is anti-Christ and does not make use of the whole Biblical framework as intended, that we might find our way back to God, to walk hand in hand with him again, as intended, so that God might come to live with us, and make his home with us, and therefore, Satanic.

Considering I do not believe in Satan then I can not see how I am involved in anything Satanic (which is what I infered from your post-correct me if I am wrong).

reply to post by phatpackage

See? You can ask nicely. Now, I've met with few Masons (Maybe they were true Masons or not, no one is ever going to learn it, not even humble me.) in the past and I also studied many elements which is connecting to them in the last six-seven years. This is a regular "contrast" pattern, which also can be a coincidence, but also it's appearing way too many places, even in illogical places in the movies (Such as halls and living rooms, where in standard, real life architecture these patterns are not existing at all.). In movie sets these would be surplus costs, which is also illogical.

And I'm glad you also laughed on that name. Sometimes we must bring light into the life of other.

Originally posted by Sentinel412
I reside in Hungary, not in the United States. I'll move to the U.S. only in 2011.

I see. Masonry in your country may very well be different from what it is here in the United States.

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by Sentinel412
I reside in Hungary, not in the United States. I'll move to the U.S. only in 2011.

I see. Masonry in your country may very well be different from what it is here in the United States.

Every place is different all around the world. Why this would be an exception.

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus

What I mean by Satan or Satanic, is a cunning rebellion against the authority and Kingship of God, or a rebellious spirit, and one which would make of the self, God. it's about an age old spiritual controversy involving that rebellion, and falling away from. In that case, it involved the formation of a new domain, of duality, and a new ground floor, but one in which God and the authority of God is in effect replaced, usruped or inverted, and most certainly altered and moved from the will to love, which is then only MIMICKED in selfless service, but because of the reframe, the rewards are stolen, and stored up in another place and another domain, led by something other than the God of love depicted through the Great Work of Jesus Christ.

reply to post by NewAgeMan

Actually if they would be Satanic, their symbol wouldn't be on a Catholic church in my country.



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