Ramayana the Hindu Epic : Proof of Extraterrestrials and Original Earth Race.

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May all the hindu extremists open yours? I can find documentaries about that too, there are plenty of both sides being dicks to go around.

If you must know the Christians probably are afraid of going near idols or eating food offered to idols. There are idols everywhere in most Hindu households. You may not believe in it, but idolatry is a sin in Abrahamic faiths.

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I condemn Exploitation and manipulation of people by any religion or religious groups. But sometimes it becomes necessary to come in defense of our cultural and traditional values that are not related to religion in many ways, in that case use of force can be justified. I am re-posting the following from my other thread, I think you will agree with it:

Yes some missionaries might be doing some good humanitarian work, and a majority of it is only limited to rich first world countries like US, UK, Europe etc. mainly to earn their loyalty and support in the form of donations, and keeping them in deception about the heinous acts they are committing in the rest of the world. And if you want to truly understand the intentions of an organization, you have to look at it with a wide perspective. And the same goes for freemasonry, which is being run by orthodox Christians and monarchs.

It doesn't matter what religious label a person adheres to, If a religion is being used for exploitation and manipulation of people than it should be condemned immediately as it is against humanity. There are good and bad elements in every religion, all of them started with great teachings which were taken form culture, traditions, folk arts and nature. But as time passed, those original teachings were modified and new malign concepts were added to them. Some of those malign concepts include heaven and hell, god being a separate entity and you have to pray/beg to him for material comforts etc.

Take Hinduism you have seen people praying to various deities as people pray to Jesus in Christianity, and still there are some pure concepts taken from cultural beliefs in Hinduism in which god is described as intrinsically present in everything including nature, animals and human beings, the underlying beautiful fact here is "nature is god and you are nature." This implies we are all gods and because we have separated ourselves from nature and cultural values because of our belief systems, we are no longer able to realize that fact, and such beliefs can be found in many indigenous culture everywhere in the world . The religions in which teachings like these are present are more pure than other religions but they are not the purest.

So, I do not follow any religion, but I live my life on the core belief systems based on nature and unity, preached by our ancestors, culture, and traditions which are unfortunately dying these days because of some influences and christian missionaries are one of the reason behind it.

How is this any different from advocating the use of force against Muslims in Europe to preserve culture? I'm quite concerned. I see that if Hindu Nationalists in India take control there will be a massacre for "culture's" sake. Don't tell me they're innocent. I know some of the scandals they're involved with. The use of force is justified? I can understand about wanting to control immigration. But the "use of force" is justified? Really?

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The atrocities and suffering inflicted by christian missionaries on people throughout the history, is thousand times more severe than few violent acts committed by those so called religious groups. And if you consider the fact that they are teemed up with Freemasons, and are continuously oppressing people from eons, than any means to stop them is justifiable. They are not humans beings, they are monsters inside human bodies.

Yes, all christian ministries are evil. Death to them all!

Perhaps you should have stayed a Hindu. You would quite likely fall for the rhetoric and ideals of the BJP or RSS. Not all christians are freemasons, I think there are probably hindu freemasons too.

Originally posted by 547000
Yes, all christian ministries are evil. Death to them all!

Perhaps you should have stayed a Hindu. You would quite likely fall for the rhetoric and ideals of the BJP or RSS. Not all christians are freemasons, I think there are probably hindu freemasons too.

Yes agreed with you, there are Hindu Freemasons, but there are also Muslim Freemasons, Sikh Freemasons, Jews Freemasons, Nazi Freemasons... and the list goes on, all these are cults, free-masons are nothing but capitalist gangs. Freemasons at the top, do not follow any religion, all religions are here to divide humanity and to keep us engaged in fighting. BJP, RSS are the gangs who ignite violence in the name of religion. It is needless to say, top members of BJP are Freemasons.

At this point of time, a majority (not all) of people who are followers of Christianity are free-masons, and the source of freemasonry is located in christian dominated countries only its branches are present in non-christian countries like India. But it is just favoritism of elites, it could possibly change anytime in the future. So you may see extreme poverty in US and UK, and all the riches in Africa, India etc.

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lol @ a majority of Christians are free-mason. I see you subscribe 100% to the conspiracies about free-masonry. Good on you.

But if you advocate violence because of your fear of western culture, I don't support you at all. Control immigration, don't kill people because of your paranoid ideals.

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Thank you for the time and effort you put into this. If I had to label myself, I suppose I would call myself a Christian, but it really doesn't take a huge stretch of the imagination to see that most religions are based on roughly the same, or very similar stories. I really don't think this is mere coincidence.

I've learned not to be a finger pointer and tell people who's beliefs are right or wrong, because I think all these similar stories just go to show that we don't really know for sure. That's why I hate for people of one religion to balk at those of another.

I commend you for writing this fairly neutrally and without a "I'm right and you're wrong" kind of attitude. It was an excellent read and I learned a lot. I actually think I'll look into it a bit more because I find it fascinating. I like to see how different religions and beliefs tie in together.

Originally posted by 547000
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But if you advocate violence because of your fear of western culture, I don't support you at all. Control immigration, don't kill people because of your paranoid ideals.

Western culture is welcomed like native American culture, Jesus ministry business is not welcomed. Hindu culture is welcomed, Hindu religious fanatics / fundamentalists are not welcomed. Religion and culture are different.

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You just said for the sake of preserving culture the use of force is justified.

What if some people want to be Christians in India?

Originally posted by gemineye
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I've learned not to be a finger pointer and tell people who's beliefs are right or wrong, because I think all these similar stories just go to show that we don't really know for sure. That's why I hate for people of one religion to balk at those of another.

Thanks for posting, I wholeheartedly agree with you, finger pointing by using arguments like your religion is bad mine is good is the job of religious cult leaders, who are only after money and power, this has nothing to do with spirituality. This will only ignite hatred and violence among human beings.

At the center of all religious Indoctrinations, there is a supreme being, who is studying the actions of every human being, he decides the fate of every human being and decides who goes to heaven or who goes to hell, he destroys and creates universe whenever he desires. If he is the deciding everything, than is there any free will left for human beings, we have surrendered ourselves to this spiritual being. We have let ourselves being controlled by this evil supreme being, without knowing who he really is.

But If we stand apart and don't get ourselves misled by those religious indoctrinations. We will be able to find the answers to many of our questions.

Originally posted by 547000
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You just said for the sake of preserving culture the use of force is justified.
What if some people want to be Christians in India?

Proselytizing is banned in Sikhism, Hinduism and many other eastern religions, it is only followed largely in Christianity and Islam. I condemn Proselytizing (forced or Induced), If a person wants to convert to Christianity he is free to go to church and do so, and not church coming to him and indoctrinating him with various ideas or bribing him to join Christianity. I recommend such religions should condemn all laws regarding Proselytism.(but I know they will not do that)

This is a new era, if you say people don't know what church is or who Jesus is than you are wrong. People know all about Christianity. And they can decide by themselves to go to church for conversion. And they are free to do that in India.

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Really, everyone knows do they? What about simple villagers who don't have access to the internet, electronics, or who think the solar eclipse is a god, or the tribal people around the world? And what if they decide they no longer want to follow their traditions and take up new faith? Would you call all conversions "forced"? What about muslims and christians who have been killed by the sword for not denouncing their faith? What about the goons paying money for slaying pastors? Not my problem the dharmic faiths don't believe in spreading the word. If they're so peaceful why do they feel so threatened and resort to violence when people no longer believe in them?

I can just as well post videos and and articles denouncing most of the upper-castes of hinduism as devils, as you say. Would violence be the answer there too?

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And what if they decide they no longer want to follow their traditions and take up new faith? Would you call all conversions "forced"?

You can find a church in every country these days and many of them are located in village areas too. You will not find churches in the remote tribes of amazon and Africa, because they don't follow any religion they have their own tribal cultures.

A person only changes his religion, when he feels unsatisfied with the religion he was following. So he will naturally search for other religions, and I don't think so, he will not find Christianity with or without the use of internet etc.. I welcome christian missionaries to setup churches, health care and educational facilities but making it mandatory that you have to be a christian to avail those facilities is unacceptable to me, and it is called manipulation of masses and this is one aspect of forced conversion.

Hinduism is evil, as it has also been used for money, profit and exploitation. I condemn caste system also because it came out from the religious indoctrinations and it was not part of our original culture. The real thing here is the persons who are really pulling the strings of all the religions, for profit, power and exploitation of people, they create the circumstances and manipulate people for violence to occur, they are the real enemies of mankind.

I am seeing people all around me turning their backs to religion, and they are discovering the real truth within them.

Good work.

Originally posted by vinay86
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So, I do not follow any religion, but I live my life on the core belief systems based on nature and unity, preached by our ancestors, culture, and traditions which are unfortunately dying these days because of some influences and christian missionaries are one of the reason behind it.

I love nature too and I often look at Nature to obtain answers to many of my questions and wisdom. In addition to the missionaries, there is Science and Technology, Television, Bollywood, Hollywood and Internet which does not help at times to a society Trust me. At times, it does more damage then good. Especially in a vote bank politics where political proganda is now using the Internet as a medium to achieve their objective. There are several factors that is the cause of a society changing drastically.

Originally posted by 547000
Yes, all christian ministries are evil. Death to them all!

Perhaps you should have stayed a Hindu. You would quite likely fall for the rhetoric and ideals of the BJP or RSS. Not all christians are freemasons, I think there are probably hindu freemasons too.

Agree. One should not brand the entire religion as evil. There are rotten apples in every society with a vision and propoganda.

Since the churches own the hospitals and schools they build, they can impose any condition they wish. It is not "forced" conversion, just enticement to convert. Because you view it from a perspective of ignorance of the truth, you cannot see from the churches' perspective. But if you knew the truth, and I'm not talking just belief but knowing, you would understand why it's important that you convert for the Abrahamic faiths. The dharmic faiths have people believing erroneous things such as multiple incarnations, which leads people to take a lax attitude to their fate, and so conversions are not important.

At the very least, if you can't comprehend the reason why sharing the faith with non-believers is extremely important, I hope you understand that the state doesn't own what the churches build, and so the owners can impose whatever conditions they want. Forced conversions are like when Hindu extremists in Gujarat dismembered a Muslim for not converting to Hinduism. I hope you can tell the difference.

Originally posted by 547000
Since the churches own the hospitals and schools they build, they can impose any condition they wish. It is not "forced" conversion, just enticement to convert. Because you view it from a perspective of ignorance of the truth, you cannot see from the churches' perspective. But if you knew the truth, and I'm not talking just belief but knowing, you would understand why it's important that you convert for the Abrahamic faiths. The dharmic faiths have people believing erroneous things such as multiple incarnations, which leads people to take a lax attitude to their fate, and so conversions are not important.

At the very least, if you can't comprehend the reason why sharing the faith with non-believers is extremely important, I hope you understand that the state doesn't own what the churches build, and so the owners can impose whatever conditions they want. Forced conversions are like when Hindu extremists in Gujarat dismembered a Muslim for not converting to Hinduism. I hope you can tell the difference.

What makes you think Christianity is better than Dharmic Faiths?
How can you be so sure about one's belief system?

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Personal experience. The God of Christianity answers prayers, you just have to ask for the right things, like experience or other proofs. I gave it a shot when I had nothing to lose and my prayers were answered in powerful ways. The crucifixion was a true event, as was the transfiguration and resurrection; I don't just believe the former, but KNOW. If you knew they were true, you would also know Christianity is incompatible with those other faiths.