Dear Santa (You suck!)

reply to post by Mr Mask


Mr. Mask.....

When you explain to your (son, is it??).....or ANY future children, just put it in full context. Make into a fun "game", or learning experience, etc....YOU are the parent, after all!! BE the parent!

I mean no disrespect....I assume you are doing so already. Been thinking on it.....

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When inundated with such overwhelming evidence (cough, cough....sarcasm...).....well....honesty IS the best policy.......AND, cultural so-called "norms" DO tend to interfere, don't they?? Deal.

Originally posted by thegoodearth
reply to post by Mr Mask

 

I enjoyed your rant.. laughed aloud at several points.

Thank you! Salute!

The feast of St. Nicholas is actually celebrated tomorrow, December 6. He is still recognized as the Patron Saint of children and lived in 4th century Turkey.

Yknow...if there is a lot of food and drinks...I'll learn to keep my Santa bashing to myself as long as I'm invited...and don't have to pay.

MM





He was beloved for his generosity and incredible giving, and his most widely spread story of generous giving was his giving of three bags of gold to a poor father who was unable to support his three daughters.

Unfortunately commercialism latched on to these and similar stories of St. Nicholas' generosity, giving birth to "santa claus" with his "big bag" of goodies.

Rant on, my friend!

All the greater generations in Americas past were lied to, and they turned out ok.

But is it really lying if Santa does not exist in the physical world?

Santa may not exist physically but his spirit is alive in all of us, it's up to us whether we choose to kill him or not, and from the looks of it, people would much rather wish him dead.

If you choose not to tell your kids about Santa because you feel you are lying to them, that is your call.
If you want to deprive them of the joy of waking up on early on Christams Day running up to the tree and tearing open their gifts that is your call,
...but you will be missing out, big time.

It's about giving and seeing their eyes light up like never before.
It's also about bonding as a family as well, creating and living those special moments that kids will remember for the rest of their lives. Christmas should be for the children, yet it seems that it's the selfish people that wish to kill Santa.

Rather than forcing a child to accept things from an adults perspective, it's about bringing happiness down to the level a child can naturally grasp and easily understand. It's about love.
I'm sure we can all agree that is one very important factor that's missing in the modern family.

There will be those that will say I don't want to expose my kid to that lie.
NEWSFLASH 1! Kids will be lied to as they grow into adulthood.
NEWSFLASH 2! Many times, you won't be available at that moment to pick up the pieces.

Kids are a lot more resilient and forgiving than the PC parents wish to give them credit for.
When the time comes and the truth about Santa is revealed, it's all the positive reinforcement they received in the form of family bonding and love that will soften the blow, and in the process a valuable lesson will be learned.

Maybe that's part of the reason we're in the condition we're currently in, there is no accountability any more.
People have gotten too damn lazy over the years.
If parents feel their kid(s) won't be able to handle the truth about Santa, then they shouldn't tell them.
But these are the folks that failed as a parent and should be labeled "L" for lazy for choosing not to take them down that Santa route.
Yes, they are lazy and extremely selfish too.
Too busy for their kids and choose not to be bothered by it all.

They always try to take the easy way out by taking things too literally, and in the process choose not to go the extra mile.

And I'm sure, many of these lazy parents are too busy playing video games about fictional characters that have no meaning nor spirit?

We shouldn't be blaming Santa if Christmas has gotten so commercialized over the years, we should be blaming ourselves.

Shame, shame, shame for missing the real reason and instead letting corporate greed dictate "their" meaning of what Christmas should be.

Santa may be a fictional character but his spirit is alive in all of us.
It's up to you whether you choose to kill him or not.

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give me a star alxndro plx

reply to post by Mr Mask


The reason that Saint Nicolaus was removed from the saint's list is that the proven origin of saint nicholas/niclaus is really taken from the Pagan religion and merged with the person that was said to be saint nick, father christmas, aka Pan has origins dating back to the beginning of time. He was said to live in the forests and dress in the colors that have been associated with christmas. The actual person that lived did give but to charities as far as I know. Which is why he got his "Saintly" title. But, Americans took an older religion and merged it with a living person that was a christian/catholic saint. America bastardized santa, basically. Sorry if this has already been posted, I didn't read the entire thread yet. Because the OP was quite long.
I do agree with you about lying to kids I never wanted them to beleive in this santa business, oddly their father looked down on me for wanting to tell them the truth. HA! Anyway they're teens now and preteen so I no longer am at the mercy of santa clause. LOL!

Anyhoo, christmas is not based on the birth of Jesus either. It was also robbed from the Pagans who celebrated yule (Where the yule log comes from) The pine tree was one of the other symbols of yule...it was a celebration of the promise that the earth would return to spring and that there would be bountiful harvest again. They robbed it because Pagans were so set in their ways celebrating this mark on their calender (which happened on the 21st of december when the days gradually got longer), that the christians, in order to bamboozle the pagans into converting took it and "MADE" it the celebration of the birth of jesus, who has equally as questionable background as does Santa. There is, after all no proof jesus existed and more than there is for st. nick. IMO.

Are you serious? A fictional character causes you that much grief? I wish my world was that simple. Seriously whats the big issue? Either let your kid be young (only one chance at that) and have a good time or tell them the truth and make him/her the kid in the class that everyone thinks is a weirdo . Your really not doing your child an injustice either way. I asked around and people who were told froma young age santa wasnt real are kinda mad at there parents for not letting them be "normal" and ruining the magic of childhood, but thats just there opinion.

reply to post by Mr Mask


I hear ya. My daughter was seriously p-od when she found out "Santa" really didn't exist. She actually accused me and her dad of lying to her! I grew up believing in Santa and eventually coming to the realization that he was just a fairy tale. Didn't harm my psyche at all, though. Yeah, its over the top commercialized, I agree with that. But it's fun when the kids are little. It's a parental choice in how you celebrate the holiday. In my family, we only give gifts to the kids. It's a little bit of magic and fun, kind of like celebrating their birthdays. It is however a very stressful time for the adults who feel pressured by society to give their kids the best presents so they can get what all their friends get. It can be a very depressing time of year for those that have lost loved ones, have money problems, etc. In fact, the suicide rate around the holidays are high. I would like to take my family and so some volunteer work at a Toys for Tots or some such program and take the kids so they know that it is a season of giving and hope.

reply to post by Mr Mask

You couldn't be more correct. I also struggle with the dissonance of whether to lie to my child or offer him the truth and become the devil incarnate. I also went through this when I decided not to baptize my children. Christmas=one thing and do not be fooled, Money. The more you spend the more you love your child. If you cannot afford to provide an illustrious event, then you are a horrible parent who does not care about your kid. We have completely taken Christmas out of context and people put themselves into debt. Then worry for months after about how they will pay their bills. NONSENSE! No other word can extrapolate lying to your children, tricking them and bribing them, under any other circumstance, one would be looked at as cruel for doing such.

What does this do for parents? It causes extreme pressure and anxiety. Many fall stupidly right into the trap, every year outdoing the previous. I have an idea, how about showing your child you love them the rest of the year. How about explaining the meaning of Christmas, and how it is meant to share time and affection with those you care for. It isn't about the latest barbie dream castle or the new power wheels escalade. How about teaching your kids what sacrifice is and about people who do not even have food for Christmas, or a warm bed to sleep in. How about teaching your children to be thankful for all that they possess by showing them the many who are not as fortunate.
Great Post!

Well thought out post and I too are among the many here that agree with you. Thankyou

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Socio, thanks for your reply, but mostly, THANKS FOR JOINING ATS! Its good to see you here and I hope all is great with the family!

PS- I have heard much abut your husband's project and I am very much wanting to see it when its finished or complete enough for a preview.

PSS- Happy holidays to you and yours!

Again, great to see a familiar faceless!

MM

Originally posted by G.A.G.
Well thought out post and I too are among the many here that agree with you. Thankyou

Thank you. Yknow, so many people either agree or blatantly don't. The thing that gets me most is the Christmas people usually celebrate (greedy or not) was invented less than a hundred years ago by soda companies and department stores. And yet, so many people defend the holiday as if it has true roots and meaning.

MM

reply to post by Mr Mask


MM,I have posted a bit about the film and the trailers. Although they do not give too much away. In a nutshell the film is about hamartia and morphic resonance. Even after explaining the concept of the film to many, they just do not get it. Some of the talent are still lost to the meaning. Even if someone can not grasp the hidden messages, it is well worth the watch, if only for the visual splendor. It is good to see you as well my faceless friend. I love the comics, good to see you focused. I hope that you enjoy your holiday, may Santa fall down your chimney and break his neck. Your friend, Socio

reply to post by Mr Mask


Explanation: Mr Mask [+ everybody else]

PLEASE Don't forget to spike your eggnog with both kinds of Brandy's this year ok!

Personal Disclosure: Remember that "I Told You So!" about just over a year ago Here! (by OmegaLogos posted on 2-12-2010 @ 10:32 PM) [ATS]





:w: Be excellent to one another & Party On Dudes!

P.S Your just going to have to thrust me on this one! [google search videos for Bad Santa Thrust (rude) ]

reply to post by Mr Mask

omg santa is not real im sooooooo shocked,yh i agree companys do like to hype santa to make us spend more , as adults at christmas, but kids enjoy the fantasy of him and the waiting and the expectation.It is a magical night for children, yes its a huge lie but the excitment on there faces as you seen them xmas morning is worth it. You dont have to buy the most expensive presents to prove you love them, its how you have bought your children up that counts. Its the magic of having some presents appear over night, the magic, that makes it worthwhile. Have a happy christmas may you all have oranges in your stocking's ...but please dont stand on them when you put your feet in

p.s It sparks there imagination which is good for developing children, we all need a bit of fantasy now and again.

Bumping for Xmas time!

Merry Xmas!

Great thread as always mask,,, My parents actually made sure none of us believed in santa growing up, because they knew we'd be bummed that they lied to us later on. My parents didn't want us to be ignorant

how did I miss this one?
Excellent thread, superb rant and writing.

The idea of Christmas has become nothing of Jesus, or family, or of feeling thankful for most American homes. It has become a time for stress and a time for "getting" and "spending". Nobody can count on you to do anything but "sell sell sell", and the kids who adore you only care for what you bring them. You are a bastard Santa...you have no real parents or even a home. You don't pay bills or have to suffer the burden of telling anyone lies about you.

you nailed that one.
and I definitely noticed there was no mention on the birth of Jesus in your history of Santa.....
Sadly, the meaning of Christmas has been lost in the commercial shuffle. Very sad.

reply to post by Mr Mask


Well i knew the truth when i was about 6... never done me any harm.
As long as i got presents it was all good.

Tell your kid, or don't. Maybe have more faith in your child's ability to deal with it.

And what do poor people tell their children? Santa hates you cause your dads on welfare?

If it makes you feel any better, I never thought he was real, even as a child - it was obvious that my parents bought the presents and put them under the tree.