Why is white pride a bad thing?

this calls for a little Louis CK.

Pride is just a cheap substitute for self-esteem. It's like saying "I never amounted to anything, so I'll list the accomplishments of the group I belong to instead".

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


Except that guy knows absolutely nothing about history, or geographics, or pretty much anything, except the racist propaganda he was taught in school.

There are plenty of white people who live in poverty. Go to Russia and see how great it is.

I resent being called white. White is just a color with many races and cultures within it. My Mexican girlfriend hated being lumped in with the Latinos also. There is a vast difference in Latinos, and even more vast in white.

reply to post by poet1b


Dude get a grip. He is a comedian, he is joking. He is actually very intelligent.
Lighten up. He isn't being racist, he is telling the truth.

People on this site are a little tight in the collar, no sense of humor. He wasn't saying that white people can't be poor, he was just saying for the most part they have had it easier than minorities.

BTW everyone should watch Louis CK's whole standup or his show if they get a chance. He is a very funny man, and if you watch his sitcom you will see he's actually very intelligent too.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


Um, dude, no, white people haven't had it easier for the most part than minorities.

That is the lie reported as the truth by our whacked out school systems who have decided that it is ok to have racist attitudes towards white people.

White people have succeeded because they did the things necessary to succeed. They threw off religious fundamentalism and developed democratic governments, leading to greater freedom, which encouraged people to work harder because they could enjoy the fruits of their own labor.

Somehow it is racist for white people to point this out.

reply to post by poet1b


I didn't say that we don't get hell about it. Yeah some black people like to be racist and talk about slavery like any white person today had anything to do with it. Yeah I agree that a lot of minorities are overly sensitive. But there is no denying that being white in America has it's advantages. Either way, it was just a comedy routine. A funny one at that. Both of us could sit here and point out the flaws in his act, he could to, but her is just being a comedian. I should have known someone would complain about me posting that even though I was just trying to share a funny video and funny comedian.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


I get ya, and I agree he is funny.

I was just pointing out that historically, he is not accurate.

You are right, for the last few centuries, white has been the color to be, because it has been our era for about the last 500 years. Who knows who will be on top in another hundred years. However, all too many people want to pretend that whites didn't do anything or make any contributions to get to where we are. Too many people want to pretend that this isn't so.

reply to post by poet1b


Can you please stop saying "our" as if you are included in the group of people that founded democracy? Seriously you get zero credit for this based on your skin color, get over it, man. Just because we are white and so were they doesn't mean we can soak up credit for their actions.

Which of those accomplishments are yours?

I guess it is safe to say that you have absolutely nothing to be proud of, then.

And, come on, do you think they created democracy because the color of their skin was white?

(*Facepalm*, why do I keep peeking back into this thread)

Anyways, you're right about one thing: saying these things is not racist, it could be encompassed by several other words that T & C prevents me from pointing out right now, though.

reply to post by poet1b


Im sorry maybe the educational school systems where I live teach differently than in other parts of the country....but all the history classes taught in schools in Pennsylvania glorify the roles of whites in creating society. Not once did I ever take a history class before college that ever acknowledged the true historical facts of the building of America. By "true" I mean why race is seen the way it is in America and what each race brought to the table and how they we were all put against each other. whites are not degraded in history classes one bit in the k-12 school system.

However, I do find it funny that you feel that your race entitles you to reap the rewards of what other whites have done. Also that you would rather take the good and not the bad. (we built america but so what we had slaves that was so long ago...I dont understand your rationale either you take credit or you dont) Oh and most of the democratic model was stolen from the romans the founders of this nation did not create it. And while it is true that anyone can succeed in America if they work hard enough, minorities do have to work a lot harder to prove themselves "worthy" or to be "taken seriously" because anytime a minority does something worthy of note its automatically affirmative action.

I do have a question though, how did whites throw off religious fundamentalism? Please explain this to me, that statement makes no sense whatsoever especially considering a lot of the problems we have in America stem from religion.

reply to post by Brood


My ancestors did help to create democracy, and the values of equality and a classless society are the beliefs I was raised with. I see no reason why I should not be proud of the cultural heritage in which I was raised. I certainly see others proud of their heritage, and I see nothing wrong with that as well. The same people who talk like you, about how we have no right to claim our heritage, also seem to want to blame us for all the ills in the world..

Everyone was raised with certain beliefs, do you think about where those beliefs came from? The beliefs I was raised by helped to create a great society, why shouldn't I be proud of this. I have never claimed that these are my individual accomplishments. Those are an entirely different set things to consider.

reply to post by acmpnsfal


The history classes I took in Illinois taught the good and the bad, and tried not to glorify whites. I wouldn't paint that picture at all. We were taught the accomplishments that other races contributed. I have never said anything about other races and therefore cultures not contributing to the development of the U.S., as you seem to claim. I just state that white people deserve our fair share of the credit.

So do you think that in the future, "they are going to hold us down and f#@$ in the a$$ forever and we deserve it" as the comedian states, because we are white?

Sure, it is funny, but a part of me is offended by this claim. Sorry, but nothing I have done, nor my ancestors, and I doubt my descendants will do, deserves such treatment. How much more racist of a belief can people hold? Why would a white guy make such a claim? Does he actually believe this?

If you go back to the year 2, and you are white, you will be either a slave or fighting for your life like everyone else.

I keep getting pulled back to this thread because I hear such racist nonsense being acceptable. Time for that to stop.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by acmpnsfal

 

The history classes I took in Illinois taught the good and the bad, and tried not to glorify whites. I wouldn't paint that picture at all. We were taught the accomplishments that other races contributed. I have never said anything about other races and therefore cultures not contributing to the development of the U.S., as you seem to claim. I just state that white people deserve our fair share of the credit.

So do you think that in the future, "they are going to hold us down and f#@$ in the a$$ forever and we deserve it" as the comedian states, because we are white?

Sure, it is funny, but a part of me is offended by this claim. Sorry, but nothing I have done, nor my ancestors, and I doubt my descendants will do, deserves such treatment. How much more racist of a belief can people hold? Why would a white guy make such a claim? Does he actually believe this?

If you go back to the year 2, and you are white, you will be either a slave or fighting for your life like everyone else.

I keep getting pulled back to this thread because I hear such racist nonsense being acceptable. Time for that to stop.

I think what you are failing to understand is that by default white people get credit for developing this country. No not that in school they say, white people did this and that. But when you learn about history and you see pictures they are almost always white. Nobody is denying that fact at all. However, what im saying is if you decide to take credit for that you can not just pretend that slavery is not also part of this "legacy."

Another thing, minorities do not sit around saying white people this and white people that. However if slavery comes up, of course the subject of oppression will come up. Slavery was not all that long ago, and if you want to say slavery was too long ago to discuss, the civil rights movement was not long ago. All of these things still affect society functions, its not a myth at all. Pick up a sociology book. This is recent history, not the year 2, nobody is exclusively blaming whites just by virtue of being white, but because those were the people in power in America when everything happened. It is not racist at all, its history.

However, obviously there were white who helped to liberate people of color during those time in this nations history. There were those who wanted to help but couldnt compromise their position in society. So essentially what this all boils down to is people on all sides being ignorant of the fact that everyone is human. So please do not play the victim if you dont want other groups to do it.

reply to post by acmpnsfal



I am not failing to understand anything, you just aren't paying attention to what I am saying.

White people get most of the credit for developing the U.S. because white people did most of the developing. Look at South America and all of Latin America, and the Middle East which imported far more slaves than were ever brought to the U.S., and yet failed to achieve what the U.S. achieved. It is not racist to state this, it is the historical facts.

This doesn't mean that people of many colors helped to make the U.S. the great nation it is, an African slave designed the Cotton Gin, but credit should be given where credit is due for the numerous things that white people have accomplished.

Um, yeah, many non-whites do sit around talking about how white people stole everything and contributed nothing, and that all the success that white people enjoy is because we stole it all. We can take no credit for the success of the U.S., we just happened to be lucky enough to settle in a nation so rich in natural resources. Bring up the development of democratic institutions and all the contributions whites made to technology and they get upset and start talking about ancient developments. Somehow Newton shouldn't be given credit for his contributions to physics, because ancient civilizations were developing technology fare earlier. It is complete nonsense, and I am not going to put up with it.

And no, I don't think I deserve credit for Newton's accomplishments because I am white, how ridiculous.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by acmpnsfal

 

I am not failing to understand anything, you just aren't paying attention to what I am saying.

White people get most of the credit for developing the U.S. because white people did most of the developing. Look at South America and all of Latin America, and the Middle East which imported far more slaves than were ever brought to the U.S., and yet failed to achieve what the U.S. achieved. It is not racist to state this, it is the historical facts.

This doesn't mean that people of many colors helped to make the U.S. the great nation it is, an African slave designed the Cotton Gin, but credit should be given where credit is due for the numerous things that white people have accomplished.

Um, yeah, many non-whites do sit around talking about how white people stole everything and contributed nothing, and that all the success that white people enjoy is because we stole it all. We can take no credit for the success of the U.S., we just happened to be lucky enough to settle in a nation so rich in natural resources. Bring up the development of democratic institutions and all the contributions whites made to technology and they get upset and start talking about ancient developments. Somehow Newton shouldn't be given credit for his contributions to physics, because ancient civilizations were developing technology fare earlier. It is complete nonsense, and I am not going to put up with it.

And no, I don't think I deserve credit for Newton's accomplishments because I am white, how ridiculous.

Nothing about your argument makes any sense. You say white people deserve credit but yet you say its ridiculous that you would want the credit....anyway this will be my last time addressing you because it is clear all you want to do is argue for the sake of arguing. The affect that Europeans had on the development of the Americas is only seen as beneficial in your perspective because you were raised in that system (and are so caught up in trying to be proud of who you are because of who they were) and know nothing else. So its a pointless argument.

Do non-whites sit around and talk about white people? Hardly, unless you are non-white I do not know how you would have the perspective to make that conclusion. Do you sit around with your friends and family who are white and talk about non-whites all the time? I hope not. If you do I suggest you and them get a hobby.

As far as ancient civilizations and scientist such as newton, I dont know how much you know about them, but it was common practice for scientists and artists of newtons ilk to read a lot of ancient philosophy, esoteric texts, and the like. That is kind of why a lot of them were persecuted by the church among other reasons.

You seem to be getting upset because you feel as though your "ancestors" (assuming you are actually related to any of these people) are not being acknowledged for their contributions to society.

All I can say is I am sorry you feel that way.

reply to post by acmpnsfal


White people do deserve credit for what they have accomplished.

My pointing out that Newton deserves credit for his contribution to science and mathematics does not mean that I think I deserve credit for what Newton has accomplished, as so many on this thread have accused me of wanting, now including you.

Um, you think only people I know are white people? You think the only people I talk to are white people?

I don't know what you have against Newton, and I am sorry you feel that way.

reply to post by acmpnsfal


You obviously don't understand the difference between acknowledging the contributions made by people who happen to have the same skin colour as your own and associating as guilty those living today who share the same skin colour as those who did bad things in the past.

reply to post by mayabong


I caught white orbs on films what do you think about that?

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by poet1b

 

I didn't say that we don't get hell about it. Yeah some black people like to be racist and talk about slavery like any white person today had anything to do with it. Yeah I agree that a lot of minorities are overly sensitive. But there is no denying that being white in America has it's advantages. Either way, it was just a comedy routine. A funny one at that. Both of us could sit here and point out the flaws in his act, he could to, but her is just being a comedian. I should have known someone would complain about me posting that even though I was just trying to share a funny video and funny comedian.

Hey, no worries, I laughed through the whole routine. Great stuff, and well who wouldn't select "white" if given an option based on privileges given throughout history. No, white isn't better, but for the most part white has been in power and getting ahead was easier for many based on being white.

I have tried to teach my daughters how to handle negative treatment at public school from black students, particularly girls who don't know them. I've pointed out that sadly, my blond blue eyed girls might have an easier time at least in the past getting a job. Was it fair? No it wasn't. But was it true that some had to fight a lot more to get fair consideration while others just walked in and were more favored based on looks? I think we all know that it's happened across the board, just as Louis mentioned not only being white was good, but hey, he's a man too! Talk about having it good! So, yes, it was a comedy routine (some hard truth in it), and there has been suffering for whites as well, but if one had to choose prior to being born would one look at the demographics and say, "I want to be born black in Ethiopia or I want to be born white in America?

Yes, this sounds very racist and terrible, but history does speak for itself. Thanks for the laugh. Not sure now though if everyone is going to think terribly of me for stating what I think is true of human nature. History in America has been a lot easier for whites than any other race.

reply to post by mayabong


Slavery has been going on since the beginning of mankind that I know of, even the Hebrews were slaves at one point and so has every other racial peoples.