Nostradamus is a fake.

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
And again, there is no evidence that anyone can "see into the future".

No to sure about that.
I would recommend researching these two sites.
www.crviewer.com...
www.farsight.org...
My personal experiences with these purveyor's, tells me something very different.

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Seeing into the future is easy when you plan it. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Nostradamus a Jewish Fraud! Apocalypse on Hold Part II

However, our friend says that there are deeper forces at work behind the impending clash. A deep-rooted opposition to Islam motivates the Zionists, not because Islam poses any genuine “terror threat” but on a point of principle: Islam strictly prohibits usury.

Christians may have forgotten exactly why Christ threw the moneylenders out of the temple in Jerusalem but Muslims have not.

Islam strictly forbids lending money at interest and this threatens the very basis of Zionist power.

So where does the idea that Muslims pose a “terror threat” actually come from? Well it’s here that things start to get really interesting. For the answer, says our friend, lies in one Michel Nostradamus who far from being an ordinary Catholic was in fact born and raised an Orthodox Jew.
Thereafter he ostensibly converted but his divination reportedly took place late at night in private and who knows what powers were really involved?

Many of Nostradamus’s predictions involve the threat to “Christianity” posed by Islam – a force that just so happens to be the biggest obstacle confronting Zionism today.

wakeupfromyourslumber.com...

So yes I happen to believe Nostradamus to be a well played fraud!

Originally posted by Violater1

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
And again, there is no evidence that anyone can "see into the future".

No to sure about that.
I would recommend researching these two sites.
www.crviewer.com...
www.farsight.org...
My personal experiences with these purveyor's, tells me something very different.

One of those sites has a downloadable course to "learn" remote viewing. Anyone can do it! Smells of scam.

There is plenty on Youtube alone of the failed attempts of remote viewers and psychics of all kinds.

All the beliefs in psychics and seeing into the future, yet none so far have won a lottery, predicted a catastrophe that would have prevented deaths or done anything of any notable significance. "Prophets" such as Nostradamus continue to make the vaguest of "predictions" that could apply to any event in any time. It's time to stop believing in superheroes with inhuman powers

So where is your evidence that he is fake?

Originally posted by Slipdig1
So where is your evidence that he is fake?

Isn't the burden the other way around?

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Apparently not round here, your the one with the saying he is fake, i was told, it is up too you to support your theory with evidence. Thats what i was hit with anyway.

Originally posted by Slipdig1
Apparently not round here, your the one with the saying he is fake, i was told, it is up too you to support your theory with evidence. Thats what i was hit with anyway.

It depends on who has the burden. Those with a fantastic claim, such as: "Nostradamus can predict the future", need to establish their claim since no humans have been proven to paranormally predict the future centuries in advance. Disbelief in such a claim is the default.

Copper, check your U2U. For the rest of the herd, it's a bunch of dingy interpreters that cause the trouble, if they had any real clues, they would hit a few home runs. There's a bunch of completed prophecies in Nosty's book, it's just that most aren't for public perusal. If someone psychically hits a lottery jackpot, do you really think they are going to bleat out that they pre-cogged something like that? Even Edgar Cayce, had to resort to only taking questions from his own trusted wife, in order to stop clients getting winning numbers and horses, which came back onto Mr. Cayce as migraine headaches. The thugs around us, would stalk someone forever, to see where he was betting, and which numbers or horses. Could you even place a lottery number without the counter person mirroring your numbers, with their own bets? Obviously, it's much better to work out of the shadows. So don't get in a twist over what you don't know, just check out what is being put up, in public. Find a good water witch, and even if you can't do it, remember, that even between dowsers, the person asking the questions, is the one that gets things done. The best dowse, is only as good as the question being asked of the dowser. Most of the time, the best you can do is eliminate the wrong pieces of the puzzles. In the field, this helps prevent digging a bunch of worthless wells. But on a table top dowse, it can narrow down the search before you even crack a source book. On the other end, some astrologers dowse the very precise time of birth, to get a better read on their clients horoscopes. They may already have a birth certificate that is accurate within ten minutes or so. But they want that last 30 seconds of accuracy. So, macro, or micro, these are some of the same tools that Nosty used, along with his brass tripod, and bowl of water.(Rites of Branchus).

He can see the future in a bowl of water...What's so fake about that?
If that irks you, check out the guys in this thread-
www.abovetopsecret.com...

BadBoyeed, check your u2u's. I use a four pointed diamond, something like the Scarne Diamond test, to see if I'm balanced. Nosty hits are one point, legend of anagrams are another, connections to a personal NDE make the third, and family tree connections make the fourth. So far, I've cracked about thirty quatrains, and thereby noted a couple of devices he used to construct them. I'll probably never get to forty or fifty, but so many must be deduced in the parent French, that thirty which end up here in the Pacific Northwest of the U.S.A. seem to be a miracle in themselves. These and a few that deal with a branch of my family tree on the East Coast, have let me see through the mists. I'm sure that there are folks out there, who could do the same, to a point. My read says that no other than Marilyn vous Savant will be the "well educated scavant" who really breaks things wide open. But at this time, she is quite secluded, and won't take Nosty seriously. Can't say I blame her, but there always seems to be an alternative, if the horse won't drink. I consider her to be the Sigourney Weaver character in "Ghostbusters". Nosty's decoder, will then be more the Rick Moranis's character, than the main event. Somehow, these two principals must get together somewhere, for the real story to unfold. As an example of the diamond, I see "Garden of the New World", being the great airship, making a landfall at Sandy Hook, N.J.. Roads of the hollow mountains, means lower N.Y. Harbor. They didn't have much in roads in the Sixteenth Century, but they did understand "Roadsteads". Lower N.Y. Harbor is indeed the New York harbor Roadstead. As my mother was working in a Collingswood Bank, in 1937, when the radio blasted out about the destruction of the Hindenburg, the girls all ran up on the flat roof of their bank and watched it's funeral pyre, across the river. The flaming carcass does indeed create a basket like, flaming, "Cuvee", as it nosed down hitting the ground. The passengers did indeed drink poisonous sulferous waters, caused by the burning hydrogen mixing with the waterproof doping of the skin of the Zepplin. The survivors mostly rode it down, and the victims jumped too soon. So they indeed were plunged into the Cuvee'. FWIW, this is how I use my diamond test and get the Hindenburg disaster back in 1937 for this fulfillment, instead of Hogue's shoehorning of the WTC collapse in 2001.

Originally posted by BadBoYeed
What is the deal with the history channel? It's all UFO, Bigfoot, and 2012. don't get me wrong, i love it, but i wonder what their agenda is.

It's either a form of slow disclosure

or a disinfo tactic.....i hope it is the former

as for nostredamus...it seems that his prophecies only come true in hindsight

There is definitely a reason for the History channel's agenda pushing all of these shows that deal with controversial topics like UFO's, Monsters/Legends, 2012, Nostradamus, Armageddon, etc. Because when I think of the definition of History, I think of tangible and verifiable history. Not conspiracy, speculation, and all of the other provactive ideas these shows promote.

But then again they do show a fair amount of reality based shows too that really have nothing to do with 'History' either. (i.e ice road truckers, pawn stars, swamp people, etc)

But they certainly have been pushing the UFO agenda for a while now, and every time one of the shows that deal with this subject is cancelled, another one pops up to replace it. After UFO Files ended, it essentially turned into UFO Hunters. Once that was cancelled enter Ancient Aliens which has evolved from a miniseries to a regular series and seem to be the best overall show on the UFO topic that I've seen throughout the years on various channels.

Overall I do enjoy the multitude of programming on History and I do tend to believe there is a subliminal message with some of their programs. In fact Life after people is a very provactive series as well - one that makes you wonder if they are gradually preparing the masses for the reality that the world as we know it will in fact end one day...

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As most of us realise his quatrains are pretty much useless before the act. His book of drawings on the
other hand can be quite revealing and i personally believe relates to this point in time, the history channels attempt to explain the book was typical of their style, big on conjecture and sensationalism.
I strongly believe the key to his message in this particular book relates to the thirteenth sign of the zodiac
(ophiucus) and the six spoked wheel of time which points directly to dec 2012

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I'm with you on that,does anyone even have the original book? Because i'm under the impression they wright it after it happens.

Some things people may not know of Nostradamus, he not only knew and predicted the date of his own death he correctly predicted the date his grave would be desecrated (looted) and the perpetrators demise during the act, the grave robber was shot and killed by a stray bullet.

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
I'd be glad to admit such a thing if there were evidence of it. Nostradamus', or any alleged prophets' "visions" are intentionally vague and can be easily applied to nearly any event in any time period.

Nice try, but your kind never truly admit to being wrong. Either you are an MTV generation person, only interested in music and materialism/ "what you can see", or there is a religious reason for your rant against nostradamus, and prophecies in general.

People like you, nomatter what evidence you are shown, will continue beleiving that "no prophesies ever come true"... It is in your blood, like music is.

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Isn't the burden the other way around?

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.... It has been shown plenty of times that he wrote about the future.. You, and those like you are just too materialistic, or even too religious, and too hard headed to admit to being wrong.

Nostradamus wrote about political figures such as Napoleon, and Hitler, among others, as well as machines who/which appeared in the scene years, and centuries later... Yet to someone like you any prophecy, it's just too vague"...

Tell you what, if you are so bothered by people beleiving in something you don't, just don't read those threads...

Why is that so hard for your kind to do?...

Tell you what, if you are so bothered by people beleiving in something you don't, just don't read those threads...

Why is that so hard for your kind to do?...

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That would pretty much ruin the point of visiting ATS.

I come here to learn and read new things, and sometimes to share ideas.

Your answer to questions in this regard is the equivalent to 'you're not as good as us', which simply isn't fair. Whilst your appeal to music being in the blood is either old school philosophy, or perhaps you've been reading Allan Bloom books recently ... 'The Closing of the American Mind' perhaps. I can assure you there's just as many MTV generation persons that believe in nonsense as there are in any other generation.

Perhaps if you posted such evidence, or linked a book, or did something useful like that one of MTV crowd or some other generation may be enlightened and you can walk away knowing you've picked up some positive karma rather than writing off 90% of the human race.

Originally posted by Pinke
Your answer to questions in this regard is the equivalent to 'you're not as good as us', which simply isn't fair. Whilst your appeal to music being in the blood is either old school philosophy, or perhaps you've been reading Allan Bloom books recently ...

... Oh boy, do you understand what a "figure of speech is"?... BTW, the attitude of "you are not as good as us" comes fom the naysayers making claims on how they "are the voice of reason" or "smarter and not dellusional", etc... just read the responses from some of the naysayers in this thread....

Originally posted by Pinke
Perhaps if you posted such evidence, or linked a book, or did something useful like that one of MTV crowd or some other generation may be enlightened and you can walk away knowing you've picked up some positive karma rather than writing off 90% of the human race.

I have, several times, and for crying out loud that member claims Nostradamus is a fake... a man who wrote about Napoleon, Hitler, and machines such as planes and tanks before ANYONE of his time even dreamt about those machines, not to mention that Napoleon and hitler did not come to play when Nostradamus wrote the quatrains...

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Don't write Rene off just yet! His writtings concerning MABUS could come to past soon (probably in the next month if my suspicions are correct). His temporary exit will cause havoc and put in place the masculine woman. But don't worry M will rise from the dead and plunge the world into WWIII because HE is the ANTICHRIST (okay fine , evil twin brother , clone, tank, living cyborg, whatever) Keep watching bouys and gurls! Shalom.

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Amazingly they discovered only recently, the lost book of Nostradamus. With even more predictions!