Unemployment Benefits Expire

Originally posted by Kryties
reply to post by johnny2127

 

You know the other alternative is to tax the rich - that way those poor unfortunate souls who ARENT milking the system, and there are many of them, don't get completely screwed.

But god no, we can't have the rich not being able to afford their purified donkey sperm cocktails and plush new private jets so they can fly their tax cuts out of the country can we?

I actually have no problem with taxes rising on the rich. Problem is, these tax cuts are not just for the rich. They are for the upper middle class and businesses also. If they want to carve out the tax increase so its only for the ultra wealthy and not for businesses or the upper middle class, I'm all for them. But even if we had the tax dollars, I don't think govt should pay ANYONE 2 years of unemployment

Originally posted by Kryties
reply to post by wutone

 

Ahh yes, I remember that figure now. And no evidence of them leaving the country in droves as claimed?

At that time, half the world was under communist dictatorship while most of the non-U.S. other half was still devastated by World War 2. Not very many places to go.

It is a lot easier now but it doesn't really matter. Elites like Rangel and Gietner don't even pay their taxes unless publicly caught.

People would be stepping on eachother looking for jobs that aren't there....

Also, you don't mention anything about the corrupts banks screwing us out of money... but unemployed people... they're greedy and corrupt.

Who are the real ones destroying america?

Originally posted by solids0be
reply to post by johnny2127

 

exactly. It begs the question, whats the incentive for being employed if your given just as many benifits to be unemployed? If unemployment just stopped you'd be surprised how many people would be out looking for jobs the next day. People would be stepping on eachother to get a job doing somthing like flipping a burger

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Originally posted by camaro68ss
reply to post by Kryties

 

um it hold truth because thats was a job of ours....

money goes to off shore bank accounts because other countries taxes are cheaper. why would they move there money in the first place????/ cheaper taxes.

jobs shifted to india, china, why? because taxes are cheaper. please stop with the talking points questions and ask yourself why they are doing it in the first place. there doing it to make a profit because the USA is anti companies anti corporations. thats why.

edit on 2-12-2010 by camaro68ss because: (no reason given)

No, jobs shift to these countries because LABOR is cheaper.

Originally posted by monkey_descendant

Originally posted by camaro68ss
reply to post by Kryties

 

um it hold truth because thats was a job of ours....

money goes to off shore bank accounts because other countries taxes are cheaper. why would they move there money in the first place????/ cheaper taxes.

jobs shifted to india, china, why? because taxes are cheaper. please stop with the talking points questions and ask yourself why they are doing it in the first place. there doing it to make a profit because the USA is anti companies anti corporations. thats why.

edit on 2-12-2010 by camaro68ss because: (no reason given)

No, jobs shift to these countries because LABOR is cheaper.

Its actually not one or the other.... its both. Labor is cheaper and taxes are less. Additionally, when a person or company brings money back into the US, the IRS taxes it at 50%. So it incentivizes money to be kept overseas. Sadly, many times the quality of work is better overseas as well. So if you're a business owner, and you can make a product cheaper, and charge less, and pay less in taxes, what are you going to do? Especially when your competition is doing the same. But think critically, lets say you didn't let companies move jobs overseas, what happens? Inflation and margin compression. Products now cost more to make and therefore cost more to buy,across all sectors. Thats inflation, massive inflation. Then company profits go down due to profit margin compression, less people are being hired and public company stock goes down. This is truly a damned if you do, and damned if you don't situation

Originally posted by solids0be
I say they need to make the unemployment laws more strict actually. too much free hand outs going out. Whats the point of finding a job when I can just kick back and get my check every month. Im aware in some instances people are pysically unable to work,but thats what disablity is for. The fact that someone is too good to make minimum wage or too good to work hard labor is bull#. If you want to survive you have to strive and fight to make a living instead of being meek and uneducated and lazy. I feel no sympathy for some of these lazy bums out there, its because they're lazy and can just collect checks and get fat is the reason other countries loath americans. the real reason unemployment is so high..is because its so easy to collect a check without earning it.

So you don't think it's a lack of jobs then? If there are no jobs where should people work? You can't start a business or become self-employed IF there won't be a customer base because everyone else is either out of work or too poor to spend their money on your business.

reply to post by SaturnFX


I grew up dirt poor. I mean dirt poor.Some days all we had was some saltines and water,and thats no joke. I say that is because if you want somthing in life I learned that you have to work harder then the other fellow. The funny thing about this whole gop and dem deal is arnt they the ones that got us in this mess but everyone who is a rep blame the dem and if your a dem you blame the the gop. This thread is more about dems good gop bad. They are all to blame and if you cant see that then you cant see, basically you are blinded by there stupidity and thats what they want, is you stupid.Unemployment is like most things in life it isnt there to be a handout its there to help you until you find another job. I remember when you were only allowed so many weeks when, did it become years, when did it become a handout? But once again we as humans are going to abuse it until its not there anymore. Money doesnt grow on trees. ( I know tree paper ha ha ) Remember there are no guarentees is life. I know death taxes birth.

Originally posted by v1rtu0s0
People would be stepping on eachother looking for jobs that aren't there....

Especially when there is one job opening for every 5 job seekers.

But what is more irritating is that it is so hard to go down the self-employment path to take care of one's self. There is always some license, regulation, continuing education class, or whatever to practice most trades. Then the money is so concentrated among government workers and wall street elites, that it is hard to find business in the first place. I am sure that pool boys are hard working but it isn't their fault that business dropped off that ma with all the foreclosures.

I have been on the self employed path ever since the dot.com bust but for the past year it has been real rough because people just don't have the money and many companies I did business with have collapsed (and I don't get unemployment benefits if there is no work).

Originally posted by monkey_descendant

Originally posted by solids0be
I say they need to make the unemployment laws more strict actually. too much free hand outs going out. Whats the point of finding a job when I can just kick back and get my check every month. Im aware in some instances people are pysically unable to work,but thats what disablity is for. The fact that someone is too good to make minimum wage or too good to work hard labor is bull#. If you want to survive you have to strive and fight to make a living instead of being meek and uneducated and lazy. I feel no sympathy for some of these lazy bums out there, its because they're lazy and can just collect checks and get fat is the reason other countries loath americans. the real reason unemployment is so high..is because its so easy to collect a check without earning it.

So you don't think it's a lack of jobs then? If there are no jobs where should people work? You can't start a business or become self-employed IF there won't be a customer base because everyone else is either out of work or too poor to spend their money on your business.

So your saying there are no jobs hiring in America? serious... well thats news to me. I guess the want ads in the paper and on craigs list are just made up by the NWO or some nonsense. I guess the pizza joint I went to last month that was operating one man deep and couldent deliver my pizza was just cutting overhead...

reply to post by NWOnoworldorder


Not everyone has family to fall back on. Many people take that for granted, but at the same time, you should certainly use your family while you can. They may not be there tomorrow.

Originally posted by johnny2127

Its actually not one or the other.... its both. Labor is cheaper and taxes are less. Additionally, when a person or company brings money back into the US, the IRS taxes it at 50%.

Then there is the heavy government favors to factories moving to their locales. A plant in the U.S. would be under full scrutiny especially if grossly unfair labor practice is found, but in China, the authorities would shut the complainers up. Bad working conditions is a cost effective practice that needs to be protected and corrupt governments will protect such practices. Polluting rivers to cheaply get rid of waste will always be accepted in China.

Originally posted by solids0be
So your saying there are no jobs hiring in America? serious... well thats news to me. I guess the want ads in the paper and on craigs list are just made up by the NWO or some nonsense. I guess the pizza joint I went to last month that was operating one man deep and couldent deliver my pizza was just cutting overhead...

Try applying for those jobs and you will find out that you have 100 people you are competing against (including people who have connections)

And that pizza place wants a drone with a car, not a person with professional experience who will most likely jump ship at the first opportunity.

i have never stopped looking for a job in the time that i have been unemployed and i have never once recieved a response ( or unemployment compensation ) retail,construction,telemarketing,landscaping,clerical, not hiring at all not even a "no were not hiring now".bills do not pay themselves and thanks to that wonderful law allowing companys to decide if they are going to or not to hire you based mostly on your credit report.

that will surely help a bad situation when you cant find work to pay your bills which in turn makes your credit score TANK HARDCORE how can people get to work in a screwed up economy when they are practically blacklisted before they walk into the door?. i am currently attending college on pell grant i would love to be able to get back to work would be able to take more then four classes per semester and actually progress my life instead of wondering if there will be anything different in the years to come.

im sure there are millions of people who would love to get back to work in this country. if our country were able to get unemployment down to 3% or hopefully lower. many problems will begin to solve themselves but i do not see that happening anytime in the near future.

reply to post by SaturnFX


Someone somewhere is sitting on the top a clock tower waiting until these a wipes come outside to start picking them off one by one... Uh one can hope can't we?

Originally posted by wutone

Originally posted by solids0be
So your saying there are no jobs hiring in America? serious... well thats news to me. I guess the want ads in the paper and on craigs list are just made up by the NWO or some nonsense. I guess the pizza joint I went to last month that was operating one man deep and couldent deliver my pizza was just cutting overhead...

Try applying for those jobs and you will find out that you have 100 people you are competing against (including people who have connections)

And that pizza place wants a drone with a car, not a person with professional experience who will most likely jump ship at the first opportunity.

So don't try because you might not get the job your applying for. HorseSh*T! I guess i wouldent want someone working for me that had that attitude anyways. And Im sure the pizza place could use more then just a drone, it takes more then half a brain to work at a pizzaria ..hate to burst your bubble. Plus who cares if its a drone job moneys money. Working as a delivery boy can pay the bills, many of my fathers employees who worked delivery made good money and stayed on for years...its not glamorous but thats not the point a pay checks a paycheck.

reply to post by xalaran


There has been and always will be too many people that have no problem living off others and taking welfare or unemployment, to ever get unemployment rates to 3% or below. There used to be a time in this country where people didn't want help or handouts from others much less govt, nor expected it. But sadly over the course of decades and entitlement programs, dependency on govt has become institutionalized and generational in many families.

60% of our Federal Govt's spending is on entitlement programs today. No one here, regardless of how liberal or socialist or communist you are, could ever say that is reasonable. 60% of our spending is on entitlement programs, AND we borrow 42% of our budget from others. Large govt and dependency on govt is coming to an end very soon, either through choice, or by those that lending us money forcing us to stop. What's happening in Europe with forced austerity measures is just a preview of what will happen here if we don't cut govt spending and entitlement programs by choice. Either way this is happening folks. Regardless if you think govt should or shouldn't continue paying the unemployed after 2 years of employment, the cuts to programs and govt are coming. Its no longer optional

reply to post by NWOnoworldorder


It amazes me that people are up in arms about this! They have extended these benefits from 6 months to 2 years! What more do they want? Good grief! Most Americans are to "good" to take a lower paying job because they have a sense of entitlement. This is what a socialist society reaps; lazy citizens! They add no value to the overall good of the country. They drain the system without giving back into it! Most of them are parasites! Where there is a will, there is a way. As soon as you make the pain of using the system GREATER than the pleasure of using the system things will change. Otherwise, the system will keep being used because the pleasure of getting something for nothing has no repercussions. I feel sorry for the people that have been diligently looking for a job and have not been able to find one, but to hell with the ones who sit on there couch with no ambition or will to get a job. Thank you for letting me vent because this "entitlement" mentality is good for nothing. It Stinks!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by solids0be
reply to post by Castaway

 

Just because you would do that dosen't mean everyone else would. Id work my fingers to the bone for my family before I accepted hand outs. My father started out as a meat deliverer and worked his ass off getting a restaraunt licence, then starting his own restaraunt's.He made a great life for his family through Hard work and sacrifice. I barely saw him growing up because I was at school when he was home and wasn't home when i got off school because he worked till past midnight 6 days a week. Its too bad everyone else can't have that kind of attitude and would rather complain about how hard it is to find a good job while sitting at home watching TV.

Thats what you THINK is happening,people like you are all a like with your holier than thou attitudes..Then when it happens to you you say,yeah but im different I worked for a living,some stupid crap like that..You would be the first one to whine when you unemployment run our,of you could not even get hired at Burger King after you lost your cushy 75000 dollar a year job,because they don't want you,THAT is whats happening and you damn well know it..

Originally posted by Castaway

Thats what you THINK is happening,people like you are all a like with your holier than thou attitudes..Then when it happens to you you say,yeah but im different I worked for a living,some stupid crap like that..You would be the first one to whine when you unemployment run our,of you could not even get hired at Burger King after you lost your cushy 75000 dollar a year job,because they don't want you,THAT is whats happening and you damn well know it..

Sorry my friend, but thats just not true. Yes there are many people that truly are looking for work and would take anything. But most are not that way. Every single person I know on unemployment has done one of these two things:

1) Not started looking for work until their unemployment benefits were about to run out
2) Turned down jobs that pay the same or a little more than unemployment since they could be paid the same to not work.

Sadly that is the mentality now with the vast majority of the people that still are on unemployment after 2 years. Its human nature to become dependent, and govt should not incentivize or support that mentality still after 2 years of not working if you are able bodied.

Originally posted by Castaway

Originally posted by solids0be
reply to post by Castaway

 

Just because you would do that dosen't mean everyone else would. Id work my fingers to the bone for my family before I accepted hand outs. My father started out as a meat deliverer and worked his ass off getting a restaraunt licence, then starting his own restaraunt's.He made a great life for his family through Hard work and sacrifice. I barely saw him growing up because I was at school when he was home and wasn't home when i got off school because he worked till past midnight 6 days a week. Its too bad everyone else can't have that kind of attitude and would rather complain about how hard it is to find a good job while sitting at home watching TV.

Thats what you THINK is happening,people like you are all a like with your holier than thou attitudes..Then when it happens to you you say,yeah but im different I worked for a living,some stupid crap like that..You would be the first one to whine when you unemployment run our,of you could not even get hired at Burger King after you lost your cushy 75000 dollar a year job,because they don't want you,THAT is whats happening and you damn well know it..

yeah Cause i reap in 75,000 a year, get real buddy I rake in net maybe 500 bucks a paycheck after expenses so don't give me that crap. If i lost my current job and I couldent get a job immediatly id get to cutting any extra expense i had..Cable Phone internet, Sell my hobby car, whatever was needed. But ill be damned if i go crying to the unemployment office. Theres work out there, do not let these intenet professionals tell you otherwise. There are always jobs for those willing to do what it takes.