Wikileaks - First Leaks Revealed

Originally posted by talisman

I am not going anywhere. Well I can't stomach the disinfo from Wiki, I can call it for what it is. Up and until they release something that is truly "earth shattering" then they deserve to be criticized for their bogus proclamations. These look to me to be carefully planned and thought out releases and will in the end only serve the interest of the United States.

Exactly true! But I think its a little early to jump to conclusions when less than .01% of the cables have been released. And I don't understand how you can say that these releases will only serve the interest of the US..

Is that why wikileaks has to be positioned all across the globe in order to fend off governments and powers that don't necessarily align with the intentions and values of wikileaks? Or why assainge has to practically dissapear into hiding, to protect himself and ensure that this information is released? How on earth can the US gov gain from this?

So there is "more" coming, but I see no reason to trust them at this point. They have not earned that trust due to the fact that they have continually bragged about the information they were sitting on.

In my eyes, wikileaks has done more than necessary to earn my trust. Specifiaclly what they are founded upon and what they have done thus far. Like I said earlier, sure some of this info isn't necessarily "earth-shattering"..... yet. But its what goes on behind the scenes because of foundations such as this. That the gov, has to think twice about its actions, etc... And maybe its just me, but I think they have leaked some pretty startling information about the US military/Gov up to this point... duly earning my attention

Originally posted by boondock-saint
as we say on ATS :::::::

your proof ?????

Again, you're deluding yourself if you don't think other countries do things like spy on the UN.

During the Cold War, the U.S. limited Soviet officials' freedom to travel to a 25-mile radius around the U.N. headquarters building. The Soviets used it to great effect, erecting a massive listening station in its U.N. mission, and purchasing an apartment complex for Russian diplomats in the Bronx and a beach mansion on Long Island for visitors and vacationing Russian diplomats.

...

Russia is by no means the only country that spies at the United Nations. The United States and Britain have long collected information on the positions of U.N. members.

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For decades, the Federal Bureau of Investigation has run a massive counterintelligence operation out of Manhattan, which monitors foreign spying operations by U.N.-based agents from Russia and many other countries. Periodically, the bureau expels some. In October 1986, the United States asked 55 Soviet diplomats to leave the country, including "operatives for intercepting communications," the New York Times reported.

Other countries have been caught doing it before. The US has been caught doing it before. The specific methods and instruction change, but it's still nothing new.

Originally posted by wcitizen

Originally posted by WanderingThe3rd
Someone help me answer this i'm very confused....

If all these big countries dont like wikileaks, just like America... why is it still up? it would be hacked.. shut down.. and taken off...

am i the only one who thinks they want it to be running?

or is there something someones isn't telling me?

Why are you assuming that every other country's Government has the same beliefs about Wikileaks as the US Government? Not all governments seek to annihilate those they don't like.
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edit on 28-11-2010 by wcitizen because: (no reason given)

Yah, but they'll gladly jump off a fast sinking ship. Especially when their "loyalty" was bought off in the first place.

reply to post by majesticgent

there was already a cable posted where
China was allowing these missile parts
from North Korea go through Beijing
on it's way to Iran. Checl back a few pages
that would involve China as well.

i don't find it shocking karzai is driven by paranoia. as soon as the u.s. pulls out you'll find him hanging in the town square.

he's a corrupt crook who has been funnelling u.s. aid money into private bank accounts instead of building schools, hospitals and the economy.

reply to post by Tsuki-no-Hikari

The Russkies didn't tap all network infrastructure.
The Russkies didn't require biometric data.
The Russkies didn't require fingerprints.
The Russkies didn't seek personal info including passwords and credit cards
u cannot compare the 2

reply to post by Wide-Eyes


It's funny how a site like Wikileaks can cause a national security headache for the United States but, when it comes to illegal downloading, Oh you betcha! websites will be taken down very quickly. Napster, ISOHunt, Kazza, etc even Piratebay has had it's fair share of issues... Yet, Julian Assinage can come through town like a sheriff and wipe his butt with the United States? Seriously! This is nothing but a joke! If this were a real threat or National Security issue, United States would immediately ban DNS services to Wikileaks... You don't need to shut down the website or hack it, just make all ISP's in the United States filter the DNS services... Um kinda like a VPN service... Hmmm i wonder if I.T for the United States have thought about this. Bottom line, I think that is nothing but a PR stunt for Wikileaks. United States keeps it's confidental data very secure... How about some UFO files Wikileaks? Try and get those! Was Corsoe telling the truth? .............................

ISP's are the train conductors, if they don't want you to see something, they wont stop! Filter the DNS already and move on!

Sigh I just read the Harare Cable on Strategies to bring down Mugabe, if wikileaks undoes all that it will be very very sad

Originally posted by zero1020

Originally posted by SourGrapes

Originally posted by boondock-saint
Saudi King says
The world needs Obama

www.guardian.co.uk...

Oh my !!!
I wonder why he would say that ???

Because Obama works for the House of Saud. His cover, and the Saudi's cover, is up. These cables will ultimately be Obama's undoing. This was a controlled release, by the U.S. military, to expose the 'truth'. That 'truth' being the current administration was a coup of the American government. This was the only way that the U.S. military could expose what is really going on.

The clock has just sped up, 10 fold. Expect some very serious repercussions. The House of Saud, and the current administration will not go down quietly. This is the beginning of the 'breaking point'. You've got to decide, very quickly, which side you believe and which side you'll stand behind and fight for.

This episode could be the deciding factor of whether America lives, or dies.

Can you show proof that Obama is a servant of the House of Saud or is this just your opinion?

Actually the house of Saud is the servant of Obama and Obama is the servant of his zionist Ashkanazi masters AKA Rothschild.

Originally posted by RadoSky
reply to post by Wide-Eyes

 

It's funny how a site like Wikileaks can cause a national security headache for the United States but, when it comes to illegal downloading, Oh you betcha! websites will be taken down very quickly. Napster, ISOHunt, Kazza, etc even Piratebay has had it's fair share of issues... Yet, Julian Assinage can come through town like a sheriff and wipe his butt with the United States? Seriously! This is nothing but a joke! If this were a real threat or National Security issue, United States would immediately ban DNS services to Wikileaks... You don't need to shut down the website or hack it, just make all ISP's in the United States filter the DNS services... Um kinda like a VPN service... Hmmm i wonder if I.T for the United States have thought about this. Bottom line, I think that is nothing but a PR stunt for Wikileaks. United States keeps it's confidental data very secure... How about some UFO files Wikileaks? Try and get those! Was Corsoe telling the truth? .............................

ISP's are the train conductors, if they don't want you to see something, they wont stop! Filter the DNS already and move on!

Good thing there are laws preventing the government from just censoring everything they deem unworthy of the public's eye. Illegal downloads are not even in the same category as freedom of speech. Plus this guy isn't even American so our laws do not apply to him.

Can you blame them ..I sure wouldn't ...I think the safest place for the US army is protecting the homeland ,defensively ....Right now the US has put itself in a place where they most of their military .Ships as sitting ducks .Bases and equipment easily reached by the worlds only super power,China as well as their friends,and I may be wrong but China Iran and Russia make some very good friends ..

this is a reply to boondog-saint

It would be interesting to hear what Wikileaks has to say about the "UFO Embassy" in Kazakhstan. Might be some intel origionating from here, as reports suggested initially that the government had proof of UFO visitation.

Quote:
"Allegedly the authorities Of [almaty] already granted land section under the building and appropriated diplomatic status to the structure, which there is intended to build. Section by the area several of square kilometers is located beyond the limits of city, in the [nenavigatsionnoy] zone. Embassy necessarily for the official methods of newcomers and in the course of time will bring to Kazakhstan enormous financial and scientific benefit."

Originally posted by the2ofusr1
Can you blame them ..I sure wouldn't ...I think the safest place for the US army is protecting the homeland ,defensively ....Right now the US has put itself in a place where they most of their military .Ships as sitting ducks .Bases and equipment easily reached by the worlds only super power,China as well as their friends,and I may be wrong but China Iran and Russia make some very good friends ..

America was founded on the idea that we would not interfere with other nation's problems but we seem to have forgotten that and decided to become the world police. I agree that the best bet would be to withdraw a large amount of our forces to protect our country until things calm down. But I'm not a military strategist so maybe I'm just spouting stupid ideas.

well I think I've sorted through
most of the 219.

The first batch seemed good enough
to start the diplomatic slippery slope
into oblivion Monday morning.

I expect to see news wires this week
of the first effects of this release.

As for me, I'm done with the first batch.
I assume it will only get better.

I would assume there will be a judicial
hearing on the hill by weeks end with
Hilary Clinton in the hot seat.

Kinda reminds me of Oliver North
squirming in the seat, lol

Originally posted by Plan2exist18

Originally posted by wcitizen
A comment from Twitter:

"US Government is just about to find out what it feels like to go through a nudie-scanner. #cablegate"

Haha I hope im not the only one who thinks this is hilarious haha classic
Lets hope the next dump comes soon and has more for us. (no homo)

THIS IS FUNNY. Good one.

reply to post by boondock-saint


Nice work, has anything been released about when the next batch will be released?

Originally posted by boondock-saint
reply to post by Tsuki-no-Hikari

 

The Russkies didn't tap all network infrastructure.
The Russkies didn't require biometric data.
The Russkies didn't require fingerprints.
The Russkies didn't seek personal info including passwords and credit cards
u cannot compare the 2

edit on 11/28/2010 by boondock-saint because: (no reason given)

I guess it's my turn to ask for proof now. Russia could easily being doing the same same, but we just don't have the cables to prove it. As long as tensions between countries exist, spying will exist at all levels.

TPTB are sensationalizing Assange into becoming a megastar and detract from his wikileaks work. Ignore Assange because the message is for the reader of the released secret documents to discenrn and build for themselves. It is a monumental thing that which wikileaks is doing and cannot be benifitting any shadowy government but rather the true government ambitious loyal patriots can now use this as leverage to begin dismantling the Illuminati power structure.

Wikileaks has begun a chess game and are coaxing out the players from behind the prisons of red tape and bureaucracy in big government. Assange is not a player but merely a piece, and I know it was his intent to be, in a game that will ultimately be decided between the elite occult globalists and the enslaved, deceived and suspended rights to liberty conscious people.

There are way fro tptb to circumnavigate around wikileaks but eventually there will be the coup de grace that begins the coup detat the world so desperately needs. The occult cannot win and they know it because they are few and we are many. Protect what is yours and that is love; for who you love belongs to your love which belongs to you, through six degrees of separation we all love each other. NO HOMO lol but you catch my drift. Lets take back our planet one denial of product at a time. 1st should be TV as we turn to the internet and demand net neutrality.

Then everything else MSM uses as a vehicle to stifle your right to choice. We must go back to arts and crafts, building up our communities and not our home entertainment centers. It is sad we are being imprisoned in our homes by "programming" like some frigging robots. TURN OFF THE TV AND THINK !!! Balance must be maintained.

Originally posted by the2ofusr1
Can you blame them ..I sure wouldn't ...I think the safest place for the US army is protecting the homeland ,defensively ....Right now the US has put itself in a place where they most of their military .Ships as sitting ducks .Bases and equipment easily reached by the worlds only super power,China as well as their friends,and I may be wrong but China Iran and Russia make some very good friends ..

this is a reply to boondog-saint

boondog ????
lmao

that was a first
hahahaha

I do believe the US Army and quite a lot of
US Assets should be stateside. The homeland
is more important than other's land.

we will never ever reach a Level 1 Civilization
as long as activity like this continues.

Originally posted by randomname
i don't find it shocking karzai is driven by paranoia. as soon as the u.s. pulls out you'll find him hanging in the town square.

he's a corrupt crook who has been funnelling u.s. aid money into private bank accounts instead of building schools, hospitals and the economy.

Now this is where your tax dollars go america, to fund sick people like this. I hope the peoples over there do him a quick justice. Why do we fund things like this? WHY, so some fat cat can ripp jo the taxpayer off. MONEY FUNNELING TO A NUT JOB, for what reason? To get rid of what?