I’m like, super curious as to… well, who’s holding the knife? The Last super,14?

you can also see it extra clear if you pause at 1;53.



So who was holding the knife and what does that mean? I think by the conversation by looking at there hands, they was looking for an answer from high above, they all look like they are panicking, I think Jesus Christ just told them,’ I don’t know".

but any way ,what’s up with the knife and whose holding it?

I cannot make heads nor tails of the first video and what it's trying to show.

so I cannot even entertain an answer.

scribbling all over something to 'reveal' a secret like that doesnt do it for me, any better references to go by? A better quality image perhaps?

i think it's quite clear who's holding the knife in this picture;

upload.wikimedia.org...

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/8279854dee57.jpg[/atsimg]

Leonardo probably encoded all sorts of messages in this painting, both political and religious.

I doubt the knife has any other significance other than to highlight Judas, if you notice Andrew is looking in disbelief with his hands up so it's hardly subliminal, it's part of the story.

you should post a high resolution image of the painting in question so people can review it and not the low quality video.

Originally posted by digitalf
i think it's quite clear who's holding the knife in this picture;

The traditional consensus seems to be that it is Peter holding the knife at a very strange angle.
Apparently this is backed up by Leonardo's original sketches but I'm damned if I can find them

Originally posted by badw0lf
I cannot make heads nor tails of the first video and what it's trying to show.

so I cannot even entertain an answer.

scribbling all over something to 'reveal' a secret like that doesnt do it for me, any better references to go by? A better quality image perhaps?

look at the second video,and pause at 1;53

Originally posted by digitalf
i think it's quite clear who's holding the knife in this picture;

upload.wikimedia.org...

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/8279854dee57.jpg[/atsimg]

Leonardo probably encoded all sorts of messages in this painting, both political and religious.

I doubt the knife has any other significance other than to highlight Judas, if you notice Andrew is looking in disbelief with his hands up so it's hardly subliminal, it's part of the story.

edit on 27-11-2010 by digitalf because: ats image embed

Its very clear who's holding the knife but its not none of the 13 ,there hands do not match the lenght or the position of any of there hands.

reply to post by Immortalgemini527

the second video is 2:34 in length.
also see my high res photo extract above, grab a knife and hold it behind your back - that is what you see imo.

reply to post by digitalf


You also have to remember that this painting isn't really painted by Leonardo, it's be repainted and restored hundreds of times because the original fell to bits

Originally posted by Ausar
you should post a high resolution image of the painting in question so people can review it and not the low quality video.

the moniker digitalf put a nice picture up and if you go to the second video and pause at 1;53 you can also see it clear as well.

Originally posted by davespanners
You also have to remember that this painting isn't really painted by Leonardo, it's be repainted and restored hundreds of times because the original fell to bits

sure i understand that 1499 was a long time ago but I think the specific position of the knife carried by Judas in this picture was intentional to show the nefaroris and calculating traits of the character and certainly not to hide a secret assasin.

Originally posted by digitalf
reply to post by Immortalgemini527

 

the second video is 2:34 in length.
also see my high res photo extract above, grab a knife and hold it behind your back - that is what you see imo.

edit on 27-11-2010 by digitalf because: typo

1;53,sorry

Originally posted by Immortalgemini527
the moniker digitalf put a nice picture up and if you go to the second video and pause at 1;53 you can also see it clear as well.

edit on 27-11-2010 by Immortalgemini527 because: (no reason given)

is this a wind up ?
the image I put up is from wikipedia and is one of the highest definitions of the original artwork (albeit touched up by various artists over the years) on the internet but is the original none-the-less. The high quality image that has been digitally remastered in the video you post shows the hand and knife even clearer belong to the same person. Am I missing something here - have I missed the point of the argument ?

Originally posted by digitalf
i think it's quite clear who's holding the knife in this picture;

upload.wikimedia.org...

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/8279854dee57.jpg[/atsimg]

No...it's not clear who is holding the knife....' the forearm holding knife' is a disarticulated image,
go to the linked image & left click the dark and bearded apostle (?Judas) the close up will
give you a view angle that eliminates every apostle there as being the one holding the knife,
the supposed effiminate 'Mary' would need the arm length of an Orangatang to be the one
with the knife...and the apostle (?Peter) directly behind the Judas character would need to have a compound
breaking of the arm for him to be wielding a knife...

my guess is that DaVinci has the knife coming from the underworld/ unseen realm...
but the weapon & arm my represent the religious authority that sought to destroy Jesus.
in either case the 'reach' of satan or the authority even during the last supper would give us
greater insight as to the DaVinci though processes... He was a true blue Conspiracy Theorist !

Originally posted by digitalf

Originally posted by davespanners
You also have to remember that this painting isn't really painted by Leonardo, it's be repainted and restored hundreds of times because the original fell to bits

sure i understand that 1499 was a long time ago but I think the specific position of the knife carried by Judas in this picture was intentional to show the nefaroris and calculating traits of the character and certainly not to hide a secret assasin.

how in the world is judas holding the knife,he is acually holding the wrist of who ever is holding the knife,his hand isnt broke.

Explanation: The knife is Peter's. He has it pointed towards the table, away from him with his right hand knuckles pointed down and facing his right hip as he leans back up and to the left [his] and converses with the apostle directly behind the young apostle directly at the table to his left.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/ba69d701d863.jpg[/atsimg]

Explanation: OL can see that Grand Master Davinci was testing his artistic skills and talents out to the very limits of his capacity to do so by contorting this character so as to give the picture some depth and to help tell a/the story!

Originally posted by St Udio

Originally posted by digitalf
i think it's quite clear who's holding the knife in this picture;

upload.wikimedia.org...

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/8279854dee57.jpg[/atsimg]

No...it's not clear who is holding the knife....' the forearm holding knife' is a disarticulated image,
go to the linked image & left click the dark and bearded apostle (?Judas) the close up will
give you a view angle that eliminates every apostle there as being the one holding the knife,
the supposed effiminate 'Mary' would need the arm length of an Orangatang to be the one
with the knife...and the apostle (?Peter) directly behind the Judas character would need to have a compound
breaking of the arm for him to be wielding a knife...

my guess is that Vinci has the knife coming from the underworld/ unseen realm

edit on 27-11-2010 by St Udio because: (no reason given)

Thanks MR ,i really dont need to say much after that.

Originally posted by Immortalgemini527
how in the world is judas holding the knife,he is acually holding the wrist of who ever is holding the knife,his hand isnt broke.

I got the name order in the picture incorrect from an internet source so apologies I did mean Peter as shown in OmegaLogos's diagram. Art is subjective and everyone reads into a picture differently, I don't wish to troll your theory, I spent some time getting the high res image, cropping it and re-posting here. We are all entitled to our opinion on the knife so kudos for defending your point so elequently.

Originally posted by OmegaLogos

Explanation: The knife is Peter's. He has it pointed towards the table, away from him with his right hand knuckles pointed down and facing his right hip as he leans back up and to the left [his] and converses with the apostle directly behind the young apostle directly at the table to his left.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/ba69d701d863.jpg[/atsimg]

Explanation: OL can see that Grand Master Davinci was testing his artistic skills and talents out to the very limits of his capacity to do so by contorting this character so as to give the picture some depth and to help tell a/the story!

So what you are saying is ,his left hand is on mary , and his right hand with the blue clothing is holding his own hand in brown clothing with the knife in his hand.

Its an interesting picture and it almost gives you the impression peter is going to slit marys throat. One thing that has got me curious, but I could be wrong are all the people on the left. Are they all looking at peter or mary or was it just the angle in the video which made it look like they were while the people to the right seem to be keeping jesus occupied at the same time.