U.S. nervously awaits next WikiLeaks

reply to post by the_denv


May i ask where you heard about China and the US allying to fight Russia?

I thought the US and Russia were becoming closer allies? Or am i wrong?

Truth is nice.
But why this sudden push by the wiki-geeks?

I use to thinnk this was to help "wake-up" people.
But the more releases that occur,the more ominous things are.

Bring this to light isnt for "us",afterall whats the average person going to do about it?

Let me guess.....

1.Get angry and kick a puppy
2.Throw a t.v remote
3.Quick,gotta blog about this.
4.Change the channel
5.Absolutly Nothing!

This seems to be more for other countries to see.
Im beginning to believe that the wiki-geeks are trying to push an agenda onto the global stage.
Revolution?
WW3?
Who knows,but with the way things are with Israel/Iran/U.S & South/North Korea,tensions with China,Russia and the missle shield drama, this can only make things worse.

Im all for knowing the truth,but this isnt truth being presented for anyones benefit.

I think this time Wiki-geeks should just shut the hell up already.

My 2 cents

reply to post by LadySkadi


I agree.. for the most part. I kinda feel like this isn't though. I may be going on faith, but I think that Manning may have really done something here. If not, as long as there are tons of leaks from lots of people with different agendas hopefully they are all counter productive to each other.

reply to post by Black_Fox


Wrong question. It's not what an average person can do about it.
It's what the average people can do about it. We've been divided for a long time.
People coming together with a voice and trying to make changes makes me proud to be an American.

What's that saying?...The truth will set us free? Maybe the Veil is starting to be lifted. Only time will tell.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by Black_Fox

 

Wrong question. It's not what an average person can do about it.
It's what the average people can do about it. We've been divided for a long time.
People coming together with a voice and trying to make changes makes me proud to be an American.

Well I wouldnt place any money that "WE,the people" are going to do anything about it.
It's not meant for us,its for the eyes of our "allies" or enemies.

No one "in the know" is nervously awaiting the next leak.

They know it is coming because it is (again) a controlled leak. Timing is everything.

Like the other releases it is designed to elicit a specific response and/or to achieve a political objective.

reply to post by mr-lizard


I heard that China gave the US a gold contract, then the US gave out a LOT of contracts to companies that would melt the gold down, then return it to be made into bullion. Then given back to the Chinese. That is a big contract, and it makes sense since the last 5 years or so I have seen nothing but "Sell us your old gold jewelry for Cash today" adverts. Its all a big chain, all leading back to one contract apparently. There are other reasons China will back the US and vice versa. The Chinese are very powerful, so powerful that they can go undetected in their submarines and various other craft and the US Military can not detect them; along with other technological advantages. Im thinking that the US have been trying very hard to make friends with China over the last decade, maybe because they want intel on their tech, afraid of them becoming their enemy, trade and other things.

China does a LOT of work for the entire world, manufacturing things. US would collapse even further if it could not keep the trade between themselves and China. A lot of factories across the world have been demolished because everything in made in China now and China know this and are using it as an advantage I think.

I wish I could find the video of what I seen regarding the actual hint of China and US ganging up on Russia. I have been trying to remember it for the last 15mins, searching files on my other computers, it was a recent video file, it was political and it was talking about lithium trade. These new electric cars I think are also a thing that is tightening the bond of China and the US. The batteries of the cars need Lithium, of course US is in Iraq/Afghanistan now searching for deposits and taking over mines, but China have deposits too and due to the current state of oil, lithium will be the next oil. All because of these cars, there will be billions of them, I think a contract was signed in Portugal by Obama himself.

Think about how many devices use Lithium, and why nobody has really sat back and thought about a Lithium war. Your phone, your laptop, batteries and these new cars and more than likely other new technologies will all be running on Lithium. The world is in an economic crisis and I think this war will be all about the Lithium (of course other goals will be achieved).


If I find or remember the video I will be sure to post it back.

Why another US release? I thought they were kicking around the idea of releasing sensitive documents about the Russian and Chinese governments?

WikiLeaks: Is Russia the Next Target?

Oct. 26, in Russia's leading daily newspaper, Kommersant, WikiLeaks spokesman Kristinn Hrafnsson said that "Russian readers will learn a lot about their country" after one of the site's upcoming document dumps. "We want to tell people the truth about the actions of their governments."

Now, in the past week or so, it is back to business as usual and airing out the United State's dirty laundry? Who knows what is in the next installment, but it seems to have people in the US government running around in a frenzy to set up damage control in the event these documents are released. It seems the only turkey that is to be devoured this Thanksgiving is once again the United States?

WikiLeaks has a new batch of classified files

In response, the State Department began notifying its outposts, asking them to identify documents that could contain embarrassing or sensitive material, such as candid assessments of foreign heads of state or governments.

"This is serious. These are classified cables for a reason," said department spokesman Philip J. Crowley. "Implicit in these relationships [with other countries] is trust. We're going to test that trust."

Now, it seems these documents are of a diplomatic nature and are communications between governments? Not only would the US be at risk, but so would the nations they are dealing with when these state secrets are divulged to every Tom, Dick, and Harry. While some will have residue of Cheetoos on their bellies and a remote control in their laps, but others may partake in more sinister undertakings. Hopefully nothing bad comes from this latest release, and no one gets hurt or worse . . .

Information is great, and government needs to be held accountable for its actions, but this organization thinks it can give up the family jewels when ever it wishes? Furthermore, we have yet to see the consequences of their past releases. What happened to Russia and China as being the focus of Wikileaks? What they have cold feet when it comes down to airing out their dirty laundry? To me, it seems the US is being singled out with all of these recent releases? We shall see what juicy tidbits comes out from this latest release from the National Inquirer of international affairs.

Originally posted by LadySkadi
Leaks happen because someone has something to gain from that release.
Now, who has something to gain, that may not be as obvious as one would think.

I agree, we should follow the money on this one to see who the real tyrant is......smoke and mirrors , smoke and mirrors

reply to post by the_denv


Great post.

Found a few links.

goldnews.bullionvault.com...

In any case, it's likely that China as a whole – whether the government or its people – is now a very substantial buyer of silver, indeed, possibly to a greater extent than gold. Thus, a rundown in People's Bank of China holdings of US Treasuries could be readily accounted for by purchases of gold for its own account and of silver to supply to the Chinese public.

and this from 2009

www.contrarianprofits.com...

although THIS

www.ibtimes.com...

Mentions why China isn't buying gold.

David Lew, a keen gold market follower and bullion analyst, says there are several reasons why China is not buying gold from IMF, though there have been rumors that the Chinese central bank was planning to buy the entire 191.3 tonnes of gold from IMF.

First and foremost is the fact that gold market in the world will turn into an immediate playground of speculation and excessive volatility if China is to buy gold from IMF. "Even rumors that China was buying IMF gold two months back turned the bullion market highly volatile," points out Lew.

China has a relatively small position as far as gold reserves are concerned. The Chinese central bank--the People's Bank of China--holds only 1,054 tons of gold, amounting to just 1.2% of the country's gross domestic product. The large chunk of China's reserves--around 70%--are held in US dollars.

Secondly, Lew says the fact that China is not jumping into to buy IMF gold does not mean that the country is not interested in amassing gold reserves. "It looks China is buying gold these days from gold mines, rather than gold bullion. Clearly, China wants to balance its gold reserve position very carefully and meticulously," he pointed out.

So maybe silver?

Originally posted by Jakes51
Why another US release? I thought they were kicking around the idea of releasing sensitive documents about the Russian and Chinese governments?

...It seems the only turkey that is to be devoured this Thanksgiving is once again the United States?

Maybe the US has dirtier hands than the rest, maybe because the US gets more media attention?
Don't worry, I think they are focusing on China and Russia, I too believe that that is what they are going to do. Although, the US really does have its hands really deep in the cookie jar and always has. It is the most famous country on this planet and therefor really normal and obvious a lot of info will be leaked about the US being really naughty. Don't forget USA is a playground for international dictators, the whole corporate America pyramid.

Now, it seems these documents are of a diplomatic nature and are communications between governments? Not only would the US be at risk, but so would the nations they are dealing with when these state secrets are divulged to every Tom, Dick, and Harry. While some will have residue of Cheetoos on their bellies and a remote control in their laps, but others may partake in more sinister undertakings. Hopefully nothing bad comes from this latest release, and no one gets hurt or worse . . .

LOL@Cheetoos! The guy from Toy Story came to mind there

The truth of the matter is, truth itself.
The people need the truth, and sometimes the truth hurts. I personally don't like to live a life of lies, even if it means negativity as it is the truth.

Information is great, and government needs to be held accountable for its actions, but this organization thinks it can give up the family jewels when ever it wishes? Furthermore, we have yet to see the consequences of their past releases. What happened to Russia and China as being the focus of Wikileaks? What they have cold feet when it comes down to airing out their dirty laundry? To me, it seems the US is being singled out with all of these recent releases? We shall see what juicy tidbits comes out from this latest release from the National Inquirer of international affairs.

If these people Wikileaks and it's allied journalists are exposing have done this, then its only right to tell the people. If there was no war in the first place, this would not have happened. I will say what the military says and that is "This is war, and deaths do often occur". In war people die, I don't want that and I'm sure you don't but whoever participates in war knows that death is a side-effect, that goes for the fun loving sol-dier who just wants to frag some rags or ski in Switzerland, the solider who just seeks adventure, they too also know that the possibility of them dying is always going to present itself at some stage.

reply to post by mr-lizard


Nice footprinting

There you have it, there was a deal. There are many deals, really detailed ones that I saw. I also remember now that the way the contract of gold (and yeah silver too and its apparently more popular, but in this case gold) turned out, was that China gave the contract to America, then America sub contracted the contract to a lot of corporations who then contracted it to small businesses to go like ants all over the cities collecting any deposits of these minerals, gold specifically. It could do with nuclear weapons or space transportation tech or satellite hardware, that is, the reason maybe for China giving the contract.

Back to my point, the contract that China gave out to America, America was seen to be fulfilling the contract, progress was good at the low end of the chain; small businesses were cashing in big time on the whole recycling of gold at supermarkets and stores world wide. Then China (I think) turned round and said more or less something along the lines of "Actually, we don't need that gold" (Or the entire mineral contracts America contracted of them). It's pickling my head to find out where I read this, I need proof to show you guys, a source. I will try and remember, but in the mean time if you wish, do your own research, do what Jesse Ventura said: "Follow the money". Follow the gold, follow raw minerals, mining companies, mineral deposits etc, because that is were the entire real riches and trade is on this planet...along with coc aine and heroin lol.

Don't forget crystals etc.

EDIT:
That's what it was, China lowered the buy price of gold, the percentage of what it was worth but at the time America bought it from them it was more expensive.
Here is some information about it, there is more info on it somewhere on the net:
Gold Figures in US China Trade War

So, as you can see, China is raping America, or should I say; asking America to step down as the biggest force on Earth, America is on its knees with its tail between its legs; financially. China is the master, and America is having to keep in the good books with China because China is bailing them out and they are really sophisticated. Basically, America can't afford to fall out with China. It's like a forced relationship and it's awkward and uncomfortable.

China see's Russia as a threat, America always has. As a war tactic it would make sense to become allies.

EDIT:
Check out the latest update on Wikileaks:
Wikileaks is down

Some of you seem to be oblivious to the fact that most of the documents to be released will be on the wrong doings of other nations besides the US. Its as if everyone would rather get dirt on bad ol' uncle sam before gettting dirt on another country even though what they've done is far worse. Wikileaks focuses on every country, they dont have a hit list per see. I guess its natural for the most powerful nations to be branded as the most evil and opressive even though that may not be true at all. What im saying is, some of you need to stop directing so much of your attention and hate towards the US as if its the baddest boy on the block, look around you, no nation is perfect, the US is worse than some, but many are far worse

Originally posted by LadySkadi
Leaks happen because someone has something to gain from that release.
Now, who has something to gain, that may not be as obvious as one would think.

Whilst that is of course true, from an analytical point of view motive does not relate to substance.
That is to say that unless one can detect editorial discretion on the part of the issuer, in this case Wikileaks, motive is irrelevant as to the worth of the information.

Of course motive deserves as much consideration and deliberation as substance but reason dictates that the two processes be kept separate.

The documents/information will as always speak for itself and questioning of motives can and must be entertained as a different issue.

For example, if a person sends me an email with pictures, spreadsheets, and conclusive evidence that my business partner is stealing from me, the fact that that person may have a personal agenda and something to gain by my finding this out does not negate that my partner is stealing from me. Thus I will deal with my partner no matter what and then undertake what is often the more complex task of deciphering the often elusive nature of motive.

I note this because muddying these two separate elements is often the willful approach of someone who wishes to discredit information, not by refuting the information itself, but by discrediting the provider. And this is a fallaciously premised strategy often used against wikileaks. And surely if one is going to question motive, then one has then to question the motives of people who reason with this approach. For when they do, they are either incapable of intellectual compartmentalization or they are willfully diverting and obfuscating.

And this is often the case with Wikileaks, where refuting all but always rests on speculation on and of their motives but rarely on the substance of the information they release.

mhmm, alot of the world cheers when Wikileaks releases documents...proving how dirty hands in america screw up the world.

however, if and when wiki decides to start releasing documents for other major countries showing their dirty moves...will the people suddenly start not liking wikileaks? will turnabout be fair play?

all fun and games until your home team gets hit...then suddenly things are unfair.

however, my skepticism makes me believe that they won't release much of other nations...it goes against what I am suspecting is their true agenda.

In America, part of the beauty is that we ask, we seek, and ultimately in time we find out what is going on to an extent...but what of another country that simply doesn't think that way...where the leaders have a grip on political dissidence...that hell..may not even have files to share because they burn away anything critical verses document it for future unveilings..

Originally posted by SaturnFX

however, if and when wiki decides to start releasing documents for other major countries showing their dirty moves...will the people suddenly start not liking wikileaks? will turnabout be fair play?

Saturn, WL has been releasing documents for much longer than you are obviously aware of ... there's a few Icelandic Bankers that would testify to that. You are obviously just focusing on the latest thing thinking that it is the only thing, but WL has been exposing governments, corporations, cults, from every corner of the globe for many years. The interesting part of your comment is actually because the precise opposite has happened ... namely very few people noticed UNTIL they focused on the US government and it is now that they are that some are calling 'foul play.'

reply to post by schrodingers dog


Thanks for the info...perhaps I am being a bit defensive about the whole thing, or seeing a conspiracy that may not be there..ultimately, I want to see the china info drop on the world.
There are two major superpowers...the US and China...would hate to think that this is actually just a chinese plot to weaken the US nationally so they can exert their growing force and become the new ultra superpower.

keep in mind, I do want this released...not saying we should avoid it...just wanting to make sure its a level playing field and not some clever plot to shift power from the west to the east.

In another Twiiter message, one reader suggests that the leaks would contain the UFO (Unidentified Flying Object) reports, which the Pentagon is not making open despite repeated pleas from the pro-UFO forums.

On its part, WikiLeaks said, "The Pentagon is hyperventilating again over fears of being held to account."

(International Business Times - 23 hours ago)

In my dreams.

I mean honestly.. has anyone searched through any wikileaks documents and actually found something of interest?