Explain to me why uk gov and police do not microwave rioters?

reply to post by andy1033


You seem very paranoid and a bit dillousional.. I don't know anything about you and have never sen one of your posts... Why do you think the uk government are after you? What did you do for them to target you?
I'm pretty sure if the uk government wanted to get you, for 18 years they would have done so a long time ago.. I dont think they would even bother zapping you with advanced weaponary, You would either be locked away somewhere.. Either prison or mental institution or you simply wouldn't be here anymore...
As for the government using alleged microwave weapons on a few students that are causing a small amount of trouble seems very extreme to me.. And it is just a few causing trouble, the majority of the protests are relatively peaceful.. The media just show the small pockets of trouble, splash that all over the headlines and blow the whole situation out of proportion.. Unfortunatly that's how media works..

Originally posted by starless and bible black

Originally posted by IntastellaBurst


Andy, ...

I see you've ignored my post, .... thats ok though.


Whenever your being microwaved, ... have you ever considered using Pepperoni Hot Pockets to deflect the waves ???

who's the sucker then ??


Hot Pockets for everyone !!!!

You may not approve of the OP's style of writing, and I am certain that I don't approve of yours. I'd place on ignore, if given the chance, for your three stooges response to the most serious threat of our age. In my estimation, this use of Tesla technology for dirty purposes is what brought down the many civilizations that came before us, on this rock. 4.5 billion years is 4.5 thousand thousand thousand years. It only took us two hundred years to go from wooden dentures to RNM, a concept you cannot grasp, obviously, interstellar. It is poised to replace nukes as a control weapon for a world government. They can now pin satellites above any place on earth, geostationary, to cover each sector. No more messy segueing of signals. You don't know what you are missing, and ought be happy for this. If this is your official attitude, then you'll come to an unenlightened finish.

What he talks about is as real as the day is crooked and long. Ceiling pops gently...will the machine turn off when I post....

May you live in interesting times.

edit on 26-11-2010 by starless and bible black because: math error

Yes the planet is 4.5 billion years old or so but Human beings havent been around for 4.5 billion years.
You say tesla technology brought down many civilizations....can you prove this?? Can you provide some links to this ground breaking evidence???

I dont think archeologists have ever uncovered a computer or electrical device dating back even 100,000 years.

reply to post by andy1033


I lived in the United States and too as targeted for about 8 years. I escaped by first living on the streets for 3 years and then maneuvering to a position outside of the United States. The weapons you describe do indeed lock down a persons ability to do anything.

It is sick.

In truth - these devices were made in the early 80's (first production models). They are part of the photonics business. I was an inspector who made some of the first zinc sulfide lenses that were sold to the DCAS and on to some agency.

I was told that the devices were being used to target Russian diplomats so that they could be made to "look and sound crazy"...

reply to post by IntastellaBurst


I think you have nailed it there.

reply to post by andy1033


The I guess ATS is not the place for you, if facts are not important. You make some sweeping claims in your first post of this thread and I ask for you to back up your claims with hard evidence that everyone on ATS can review and then determine if we believe the source for the information.

You just deflect the question, and make it about you. I do not know you so can not comment on your life experiences.

Provide some hard evidence that the UK Government and Police have this microwave technology.

It's either put or shut up.

reply to post by starless and bible black



Once again, ... I was addressing Andy's perceived use of a microwave weapon on him personally, ... not the existence of them in general.

.. yet you would place me on ignore why ?? because I make light of things instead of cower in fear at such things ??

to base a judgement on three sentences is very telling indeed,

They can come up with all the weapons the human imagination is capable of .... yet I will still be here, laughing at them while they struggle for power in vain.

because at the end of the day ........ THEY should fear US.

reply to post by IntastellaBurst


It's true they should fear us, lets be honest about it they hid MK-Ultra for a long time and it finally came out the fact that patents exist that show this type of technology as been worked on for many a years means it'll come out at some point, like i said i saw a video with Donald Rumsfeld were he admitted this technology was being worked on.

I know i'v posted this video on a few fourms but i think some should take a look at it here...

www.youtube.com...

Anybody can draw there own conclusion but i suggest people take a good hard look at some of the evidence of such weapons and at least be more informed....

reply to post by andy1033


Probably because they couldn't fit them all in the microwave, and you have the added problem of coaxing them into the giant microwave, I suppose you could leave naked pictures of Cheryl Cole inside that would get the lads in, However most of us use microwaves or Popty Ping as we call it in Wales for warming beans and Tesco ready meals, not on protesters...oh do forgive my sarcasm

Originally posted by Freedom ERP
reply to post by andy1033

 

The I guess ATS is not the place for you, if facts are not important. You make some sweeping claims in your first post of this thread and I ask for you to back up your claims with hard evidence that everyone on ATS can review and then determine if we believe the source for the information.

You just deflect the question, and make it about you. I do not know you so can not comment on your life experiences.

Provide some hard evidence that the UK Government and Police have this microwave technology.

It's either put or shut up.

Of course they have this technology and just because he cannot provide "proof" for some clueless, naive, rather unsophisticated fool, hardly means one should be told to "shut up". Who the eff are you?

If you want your proof, you have the theory or hypothesis. Do your own damn research and invalidate the statement of YOU SHUT UP.

As someone who too has lived through such a nightmare - and fortunately escaped - give me one reason why I should waste my time validating my statements for someone like you?

What EXACTLY could you do for me?

Nothing. Absolutely NOTHING.

In the meantime - try to get a clue -

This is a conspiracy forum. Get it?

C-O-N-S-P-I-R-A-C-Y

To say that the British government has non-lethal weapons clearly states a form of conspiracy for a conspiracy is not proven.

The British government indeed has this technology. You would actually have to be pretty stupid to assume otherwise.

Originally posted by NorthStarRise

Originally posted by Freedom ERP
reply to post by andy1033

 

The I guess ATS is not the place for you, if facts are not important. You make some sweeping claims in your first post of this thread and I ask for you to back up your claims with hard evidence that everyone on ATS can review and then determine if we believe the source for the information.

You just deflect the question, and make it about you. I do not know you so can not comment on your life experiences.

Provide some hard evidence that the UK Government and Police have this microwave technology.

It's either put or shut up.

Of course they have this technology and just because he cannot provide "proof" for some clueless, naive, rather unsophisticated fool, hardly means one should be told to "shut up". Who the eff are you?

If you want your proof, you have the theory or hypothesis. Do your own damn research and invalidate the statement of YOU SHUT UP.

As someone who too has lived through such a nightmare - and fortunately escaped - give me one reason why I should waste my time validating my statements for someone like you?

What EXACTLY could you do for me?

Nothing. Absolutely NOTHING.

In the meantime - try to get a clue -

This is a conspiracy forum. Get it?

C-O-N-S-P-I-R-A-C-Y

To say that the British government has non-lethal weapons clearly states a form of conspiracy for a conspiracy is not proven.

The British government indeed has this technology. You would actually have to be pretty stupid to assume otherwise.

I have no dog in this fight. Just an observation. If someone had been targeted for 18.5 years, they would eventually have some form of evidence. Something. In this case, we have nothing. I guess in one sense, one should feel proud if this is all true, that your state would waste umpteen millions of dollars trying tofry your brain over a 20 year period...your brain must be special.

PS. I am being targeted by gnomes, EVERYONE knows they exist. Please don't ask for any facts, just believe me.

ColoradoJens

The reason they are not microwaving protesters is that it is very hard to get a full grown person (or even a midget, for that matter) into a microwave.

Plus, protesters as far as I know do not come with microwave-safe packaging.

Originally posted by Shminkee Pinkee
reply to post by andy1033

 

Probably because they couldn't fit them all in the microwave, and you have the added problem of coaxing them into the giant microwave, I suppose you could leave naked pictures of Cheryl Cole inside that would get the lads in, However most of us use microwaves or Popty Ping as we call it in Wales for warming beans and Tesco ready meals, not on protesters...oh do forgive my sarcasm

yes...this is what I am trying to say.

Is there a giant microwave that you could maybe lure people into with free beer, food, porn, xboxes...stuff like that?

reply to post by NorthStarRise


Read this thread and all the posts, and in particular mine. The OP clearly asked why the UK Government and police do not use microwave hardware and if you had bothered to read all the posts in this thread, you would see that I am asking for some evidence that the Birtish Police has purchased this hardware, or that it is available for the British Police to use.

Typically, purchase of equipment for the police is in the public domain, and of course, they would need training on how to use this hardware, again, this would typically be a contract and in public domain.

Thanks for giving me the heads up that this is a conspiracy web site. I would never have guessed!!

I, like every member on this website, that the right to challenge and ask for evidence to be provided when a claim or statement is made. The OP asked why the UK Government and Police do not use microwave hardware on the rioters. Clearly, the OP believes the British police have access and are trained on microwave hardware.

I will restate the point I am making, as you clearing have not bothered to read all the posts in this thread.

Purchase of equipment and hardware for the British Police is in the public domain. All I have asked for is evidence that the British Police have purchased this hardware.

At ATS, there is a culture of reasoned debate and challenging inquiry, and if a poster makes a statement or claim, and then is not prepared to back up any claims with any evidence, they should withdraw and shut the hell up, and we can all draw our own conclusions from their lack of offered evidence, and move on to reasoned and intelligence debate that is the hallmark of a great many threads and posts at ATS

reply to post by Freedom ERP

Typically, purchase of equipment for the police is in the public domain, and of course, they would need training on how to use this hardware, again, this would typically be a contract and in public domain.

Really? It can be easily purchased and made through black money. No one need to go buy this through regular procurement channels. Further, as in the case of the LAPD, they got theirs donated by the Defense Department.

But that is not the point. Telling people to shut up or provide proof is a bit whacked. Since when is anyone your lackey and research boy?

You want proof - go get it yourself? Put yourself on the line by poking your nose into issues that to some you have no business being involved in. Don't ask others to put their neck out to satisfy someone as you who can do absolutely nothing to rectify anything (in all probability).

The truth is - this realm being discusses is a deep black hole and a dangerous one equally.

I, like every member on this website, that the right to challenge and ask for evidence to be provided when a claim or statement is made. The OP asked why the UK Government and Police do not use microwave hardware on the rioters. Clearly, the OP believes the British police have access and are trained on microwave hardware.

In truth, at the core of it - it is not your business to be making demands on someone else. They are free to post and to tell their story. If you want the facts - get off your arse and go get them. I would love to see the red flags going up over your head when you start poking your head into the realities of this world.

Really.

Go ahead - put yourself on someone's radar screen. Don't ask others who know of this world to do your dirty work.

The information is already out there. Heard of Google? Wonderful tool. Owned by Jews - but it is still a wonderful tool.

Purchase of equipment and hardware for the British Police is in the public domain. All I have asked for is evidence that the British Police have purchased this hardware.

Your first assumption is that it is on the public. You have proof of this equally? I am saying it can be purchased very easily with black funds. Easy. Some of it can be made very cheap, depending on the type of damage and control you want.

How about you go provide the proof that it MUST be on the public record. You can't - and yet you make demands of others to produce what they can't as if somehow this invalidates the truth of what is being said.

I PERSONALLY was hit - 7 diamond shaped scars over my chest. 9 months to heal. My lawyer respectfully said he has 5 kids and bailed out - for health reasons.

You try to get the word out? How would you like to spend your life in a state mental institution drugged into oblivion?

At ATS, there is a culture of reasoned debate and challenging inquiry, and if a poster makes a statement or claim, and then is not prepared to back up any claims with any evidence, they should withdraw and shut the hell up,

My my. You are one brave little one - thinking you understand the reality of what is going on.

The reality of this OP is already out there. They have absolutely NO NEED to shut up for someone like you and if they do shut up, that would rather effectively stop others from realizing what they too might be facing.

Sounds to me as if you either are part of cover-up yourself or fail to understand the nature of the realm you chose to poke your head into.

If you do not like what is being said - equally you can get the hell out and stop posting.

Right?

The funny thing, though, is that you really think you get it - OR - you DO GET it and you think that you can intimidate others to be quiet.

Either way - not good.

You are naive...

reply to post by Freedom ERP

At ATS, there is a culture of reasoned debate and challenging inquiry, and if a poster makes a statement or claim, and then is not prepared to back up any claims with any evidence, they should withdraw and shut the hell up, and we can all draw our own conclusions from their lack of offered evidence, and move on to reasoned and intelligence debate that is the hallmark of a great many threads and posts at ATS

I would like to address the general audience.

Please read the above framing very clearly.

Among more Occulted circles, ATS is known as "conspiracy for ding-a-lings". Consider this. A guy shares his personal experience and says that he has been targeted by microwave technology and then asks the audience to consider why, since the British government has this technology, they why don't they use it on the current rioters.

In come the shills - demanding proof and if the proof is not delivered, then the shills demand that conclusions be drawn from the posters inability to provide "proof" and then goes on to say that ATS is this really cool and slick "reasoned and intelligent" place to debate.

Dumb.

You have to understand that someone under duress may assume you already are aware of basic facts. These people may not be quality researchers, but they certainly can provide quality experiential knowledge.

The person who says that people who cannot provide "proof" are saying that it is common practice at ATS to deny these people a voice simply because they are not THEIR researchers - as if they should be.

Not sure where this logic took root, but it really is crazy and whacked upside down thinking.

Now lets go to the crux of the matter - OP says that British Government has microwave mind control technology and cannot - someone comes along and tries to deny this very basic truth and reality and then says that all of you should go and turn away because the OP is not a good research guy then tries to tell us he is engaging in reasoned and intelligent debate.

Really?

Google this - "directed beam microwave for mind control"

That was difficult, right?

What did we find?
British Security Forces and Microwave Mind Control Weapons

How hard was that?

What can we find at this link?

Developed under the Conservative government, which was in power from 1979-97. The UK secret, or 'black' government, has at its disposal a fearsome array of mind control weapons. These abhorrent devices are euphemistically called 'non-lethal weapons' by the UK military. In fact they kill you slowly by causing: nerve damage, cancers, mental collapse leading to suicides, or tissue failure, such as heart attacks due to the cooking effect of microwaves.

Those who peer too deeply?

It is alleged that Marconi put this microwave technology into full scale production, and around thirty scientists and military personnel on the project who began to ask questions committed `suicide' under mysterious circumstances.

- source

You cannot have ANY reasoned and intelligent debate if shills are telling people to "shut up". The PREVALENCE of UK use of microwave technology is actually SO WELL KNOW in certain circles that you would be considered quite backwards to not know about it.

Further - you cannot DENY IGNORANCE unless you are willing to listen. You cannot listen if you listen to people who tell others to "shut up". Those who tell others to "shut up" should immediately raise red flags as to their intelligence AND credibility.

Google is so frigging simple to use -

If people are too lazy to do even the smallest research before they accost and affront others - be wary of the agenda, intelligence, and credibility of same.

The English are pioneers in this technology.

The person telling others to "shut up" knows NOTHING about denying ignorance and instead clearly can be shown to be promoting ignorance.

The prevalence of this mentality is what makes ATS "conspiracy for ding-a-lings".

Denying Ignorance means just that - not what some slouch who refuses even simple research deems such to be.

reply to post by ColoradoJens

PS. I am being targeted by gnomes, EVERYONE knows they exist. Please don't ask for any facts, just believe me.

Too funny. Whose intelligence did you intend to insult? Yours? Or Mine?

What did you think you know? Too lazy to get the information yourself?

The basics -

British Use of Mind Control Microwaves

It is hard for me to understand how lazy, stupid, and dismissive people have become.

How you go through life not knowing even some of the basic truths of what goes on around you?

I am actually SHOCKED that there is an audience that professes to follow "conspiracies" that proves to be so clueless as to basic tools of the Intelligence world.

Really.

I am sure you and your Gnomes are really good buddies and no, I see no reason to ask for proof.

If you mattered, the information would be easy to acquire.

Really? It can be easily purchased and made through black money. No one need to go buy this through regular procurement channels. Further, as in the case of the LAPD, they got theirs donated by the Defense Department.

Again, please read what the subject of the thread is about. Where did I or anyone other than you, mention the LAPD. The OP made a clear reference to this hardware being available to the British Police. I have found not evidence that the British Police has trained any officers in the deployment or use of this hardware.

But that is not the point. Telling people to shut up or provide proof is a bit whacked. Since when is anyone your lackey and research boy?

Far from being whacked, it's the very core of serious discussion and debate here at ATS. If someone make a statement, they need to back it up or shut it. How many more simple does it have to be. The OP has made a statement and all I want is the OP to offer some proof that the British Police has this hardware. I am not wanting anyone to be my lackey, just to not make wild statements.

You want proof - go get it yourself? Put yourself on the line by poking your nose into issues that to some you have no business being involved in. Don't ask others to put their neck out to satisfy someone as you who can do absolutely nothing to rectify anything (in all probability).

In truth, at the core of it - it is not your business to be making demands on someone else. They are free to post and to tell their story. If you want the facts - get off your arse and go get them. I would love to see the red flags going up over your head when you start poking your head into the realities of this world.

Again, the OP make a statement. Offer proof. I already know the anwser to the claims made but there are those on this site who do not have the benefits I have to research for this information. I am not asking anyone but the OP to do anything here.

Your first assumption is that it is on the public. You have proof of this equally? I am saying it can be purchased very easily with black funds. Easy. Some of it can be made very cheap, depending on the type of damage and control you want.

Lets pretend that the British Government has used a black project to purchase this microwave hardware. They would need to provide a number of British police officers with the training to use and deploy this hardware. Again, I have used the resources at my disposal to investigate this and can find not evidence of unaccounted police training.

How about you go provide the proof that it MUST be on the public record. You can't - and yet you make demands of others to produce what they can't as if somehow this invalidates the truth of what is being said.

NO NO NO NO. I have not make some wild statement about equipment the British police has. The OP has. I have asked for proof that the British Police have this hardware and all I have got is deflection. We can look draw our own conclusions.

I PERSONALLY was hit - 7 diamond shaped scars over my chest. 9 months to heal. My lawyer respectfully said he has 5 kids and bailed out - for health reasons.

You try to get the word out? How would you like to spend your life in a state mental institution drugged into oblivion?

I have no idea of the context of the above. How do they relate to the topic of this thread?

The reality of this OP is already out there. They have absolutely NO NEED to shut up for someone like you and if they do shut up, that would rather effectively stop others from realizing what they too might be facing.

If they can not offer real evidence for claims made, then we have to draw our own conclusions. In the world of research, and I class ATS as part of the research world, if you make a statement or claim, you will be challenged.

Sounds to me as if you either are part of cover-up yourself or fail to understand the nature of the realm you chose to poke your head into.

And just what realm is that and how does is apply to the topic of the thread?

If you do not like what is being said - equally you can get the hell out and stop posting.

Right?

The funny thing, though, is that you really think you get it - OR - you DO GET it and you think that you can intimidate others to be quiet.

Either way - not good.

You are naive...

And be the same as those who fail to offer evidence for their claims? What have I failed to get? That just because someone makes a claim, it must be true and should accept it. It is not me that is naive.

reply to post by NorthStarRise


All I can say is please research all the sources quoted and make your own minds up if you are prepared to believe what has been presented to you.

Just because someone posted a source found from from an internet search, does not add any creditability to that source.

You need to do your own research on the sources cited

reply to post by Freedom ERP

Again, please read what the subject of the thread is about. Where did I or anyone other than you, mention the LAPD. The OP made a clear reference to this hardware being available to the British Police. I have found not evidence that the British Police has trained any officers in the deployment or use of this hardware.

My point is that your arrogance is specifically designed to PROMOTE IGNORANCE and yet you try to hide behind a facade that you are the flag bearer of someone who DENY'S Ignorance. It is a joke.

WHY can't you find any evidence on your own? Honestly. Why?

How difficult is it, REALLY? Knock yourself out.

UK intelligence runs a fleet of microwave weapon carrying vans, as well as portable microwave weapons that can be deployed near the dissident's home. The vast expense can be disguised as communications equipment, for as we all know, microwave telephone communication is all the rage in our modern world.

- source

I know for a fact that such weapons are using in the United States, and if we have communications vans driving around town, it does not take a rocket scientist to know that these people must be trained.

Far from being whacked, it's the very core of serious discussion and debate here at ATS. If someone make a statement, they need to back it up or shut it. How many more simple does it have to be. The OP has made a statement and all I want is the OP to offer some proof that the British Police has this hardware. I am not wanting anyone to be my lackey, just to not make wild statements.

Again. You cannot "deny ignorance" if you are too lazy to do your own basic research and yet very quick to tell people to "shut up". Google is so easy. Why not at least get a little educated before you make a fool of yourself by telling others to "shut up" and then pretending that you are the gateway to what is reasoned and intelligent debate?

Really I find you to be so clueless as to the subject matter that any reasoned and intelligent person would not be trying to thrust themselves into the debate.

Where did the OP make any "wild statements"? When did you determine for me - and I HAVE SO MUCH EXPERIENTIAL KNOWLEDGE - determine for me and others what is and is not "wild statements".

It is clear that you are the one caught now making "wild statements". Should I tell you to get educated on the subject or otherwise "shut up"? See the conundrum you create when you debate and know nothing equally?

Again, the OP make a statement. Offer proof. I already know the anwser to the claims made but there are those on this site who do not have the benefits I have to research for this information. I am not asking anyone but the OP to do anything here.

Why do you get to determine who has to shut up? Perhaps the OP has not the skills to provide the proof you seek and perhaps the level of proof you are asking for presents a danger to both person and security. In the latter case, you have no business asking for such proof and putting others in harms way. You can only speak in generalities on this matter and the OP has the right to speak as he wishes.

Or does he?

Lets pretend that the British Government has used a black project to purchase this microwave hardware. They would need to provide a number of British police officers with the training to use and deploy this hardware. Again, I have used the resources at my disposal to investigate this and can find not evidence of unaccounted police training.

Well how about you FIRST provide FULL PROOF that you have investigated this complete with all your accounting, filings, and so forth. Why should you be believed? Perhaps you are just not smart enough to get to the heart of the matter?

Provide us with your PROOF that you have used resourced at your disposal - otherwise, you sure as heck can be seen to be making some REALLY WILD STATEMENTS.

You are not even credible - to be honest.

The 1970s brought a darker side to the story, with the news that the Russians were microwaving the US embassy in Moscow. One third of the staff eventually died of cancer from this microwave irradiation. Australian scientists proved in 1997, that tiny amounts of microwave produced by the very safest mobile phones, cause cancer in mice, when exposed to this radiation. Greenham Common was the first time that the Ministry of Defence was involved in the offensive microwaving of women protesters, the so called Greenham Common Women. This event showed that the UK security forces were willing to use lethal doses of microwave radiation on large groups of the general public. Equipment showed that the women peace protesters were subject to high levels of microwave radiation, some of them have subsequently died from cancer.

- source

NO NO NO NO. I have not make some wild statement about equipment the British police has. The OP has. I have asked for proof that the British Police have this hardware and all I have got is deflection. We can look draw our own conclusions.

YES YES YES YES - you have claimed that you have resources at some time been at your disposal and that you have investigated and NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIND any evidence...and yet we know that the technology exists.

You provide NO PROOF - hence a REALLY WILD STATEMENT under YOUR RULES OF ENGAGEMENT and equally, does the technology exist (yes) and yet NOBODY IS TRAINED on its use?

The conclusion so far is that you are not credible and are promoting ignorance by telling others to "shut up".

Not much else to conclude from your statements so far.

I have no idea of the context of the above. How do they relate to the topic of this thread?

See above. So this all happens without training? Are we to believe that UK security forces are angels and not engaging in the same practices as the Americans? And since this rather simple deduction leads to a qualified yes - then clearly SOMEWHERE people are trained.

If they can not offer real evidence for claims made, then we have to draw our own conclusions. In the world of research, and I class ATS as part of the research world, if you make a statement or claim, you will be challenged.

So where are you PROOFS that you had resources at your disposal and yet you found no evidence? Where is YOUR PROOF or is the demand for PROOF simply subjective?

On this debate with the OP - you LOST because it was clear that you cannot and have not presented ANY credible counter debate that you know what is going on. You just seem to be in a state of denial DEMANDING proof.

Of course - now you need to provide a TON of proof to back up your WILD CLAIMS that you could not find ANY evidence - or you should just shut up?

This is the rules you play by? Right?

And be the same as those who fail to offer evidence for their claims? What have I failed to get? That just because someone makes a claim, it must be true and should accept it. It is not me that is naive.

Your total claim to being able to "debunk" this subject is that you have thoroughly researched with assets at your disposal and could find NO EVIDENCE.

OK -

Where is YOUR PROOF that you are qualified to speak on this subject equally? Shouldn't you just take your own medicine and shut up equally?

You want us to draw our conclusions based on statement YOU MAKE and yet have provided NO PROOF equally?

WTF?

Originally posted by Freedom ERP
reply to post by NorthStarRise

 

All I can say is please research all the sources quoted and make your own minds up if you are prepared to believe what has been presented to you.

Just because someone posted a source found from from an internet search, does not add any creditability to that source.

You need to do your own research on the sources cited

I don't NEED to do ANYTHING. I already have my experiences and know precisely what the OP is speaking about. I have researched in depth to understand what was happening to me because in those early days (1996), most of the people I spoke with were ignorant as had no clue.

You, however, equally claim to have PERSONALLY used resources available to you.

Where is YOUR PROOF that you did indeed to all this?

Don't lecture me at this stage as to what is and is not a "creditable source".

Sources, equally, are manufactured realities at the end of the day.