There is No Eternal Hell Fire

Would God punish one for just a few years of sin for eternity? The answer is an emphatic no and His Word proves it. I've known so many that accuse God of unjust punishment that I wanted to make this clear.

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
( That eternal fire is Yahweh, and He is a “consuming fire” and keep in mind consuming! )

Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

Re 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Strong's Greek Dictionary, meaning of ever and ever
5550. chronos
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cronoV chronos khron'-os
of uncertain derivation; a space of time (in general, and thus properly distinguished from 2540, which designates a fixed or special occasion; and from 165, which denotes a particular period) or interval; by extension, an individual opportunity; by implication, delay:--+ years old, season, space, (X often-)time(-s), (a) while. See Greek 2540
(I submit it is the amount of time allotted each for the damage they’ve done, cause of lost soles etc., Satan being the greatest destroyer.)
Re 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
( this is the end of death and hell, they are no more, they are consumed!)

(Here now is Satan’s end)
Eze 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

If Satan is reduced to ashes, how about the rest, the same for sure.

Mal 4:1 ¶ For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
Mal 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

Mt 3:12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

(He is the eternal fire that consumes, devours the wicked but is a shelter for the righteous)

Ps 21:9 Thou shalt make them as a fiery oven in the time of thine anger: the LORD shall swallow them up in his wrath, and the fire shall devour them.

Na 1:9 What do ye imagine against the LORD? he will make an utter end: affliction shall not rise up the second time

Evil and righteousness connot dwell together is why He must make an end.

2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

Heaven cannot be a mix of those.

Truthiron.

Originally posted by truthiron
Would God punish one for just a few years of sin for eternity? The answer is an emphatic no and His Word proves it. I've known so many that accuse God of unjust punishment that I wanted to make this clear.

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
( That eternal fire is Yahweh, and He is a “consuming fire” and keep in mind consuming! )

Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

Re 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Strong's Greek Dictionary, meaning of ever and ever
5550. chronos
Search for G5550 in KJVSL
cronoV chronos khron'-os
of uncertain derivation; a space of time (in general, and thus properly distinguished from 2540, which designates a fixed or special occasion; and from 165, which denotes a particular period) or interval; by extension, an individual opportunity; by implication, delay:--+ years old, season, space, (X often-)time(-s), (a) while. See Greek 2540
(I submit it is the amount of time allotted each for the damage they’ve done, cause of lost soles etc., Satan being the greatest destroyer.)
Re 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
( this is the end of death and hell, they are no more, they are consumed!)

(Here now is Satan’s end)
Eze 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

If Satan is reduced to ashes, how about the rest, the same for sure.

Mal 4:1 ¶ For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
Mal 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

Mt 3:12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

(He is the eternal fire that consumes, devours the wicked but is a shelter for the righteous)

Ps 21:9 Thou shalt make them as a fiery oven in the time of thine anger: the LORD shall swallow them up in his wrath, and the fire shall devour them.

Na 1:9 What do ye imagine against the LORD? he will make an utter end: affliction shall not rise up the second time

Evil and righteousness connot dwell together is why He must make an end.

2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

Heaven cannot be a mix of those.

Truthiron.

There is no God, there are however millions of people who believe in a creator without any reason to apart from having "faith"

I once had faith that the Force was real, Until I found out it was a product of another man's imagination...funny how similar that is to organised religion.

Funny how rude someone can be while posting in the religon section... Why are you even here? To tell people there religion is 100% faith? I think everyone already knows that

Interesting.
I've often pondered Hell Fire in reference to God. The Bible says we were made in His image, Islam says we are infused with His breath. So either case we have god-like tendencies... "cut from the same cloth".

God is often referred to as "All Loving." We as humans can experience Love, but only relative love, not all loving. So this means God's love is above our capacity for love.

When one of our pets or animals fail to be trained or follow commands, we simply understand it is beyond the capacity of that individual animal. We try and try, but if the animal just can't get it, we give that animal a different life according to their capacity. Their disobedience does not cause us to condemn the animal to eternal torment for lack of obedience. And this is from the heart of humans... nowhere near All Loving.

An All Loving God should be beyond our capacity of love. How can He condemn us to eternal torment for disobedience? We do not even do this with our animals and we are not all loving.

Either God is part-loving not All Loving, or eternal torment does not exist.

There's a few verses in Mathew and Mark where Jesus refers to a "fire of Hell" but it is a terminology in use in his day and we are not exactly in a position to be able to take that and create a whole doctrine about some eternal punishment. I mean we could go all over the place devising these possible scenarios but most likely Jesus just meant judgment, and that was how it eventually came out, in a form that today is separated from any context we can understand.
It's sad that so many people get turned off on Christianity because of distortions of the Gospel because of all the preachers in the past have wanted to throw in their interpretation and disregard the very point Jesus was trying to make in the first place, which is something like: "while you are alive, meaning today, do something which will place you in a better standing come judgment when this life is over. It will be too late, then".

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jmdewey60,

Yes on your reply, this eternal hell fire preaching without solid basis damages true Christianity and these times we are living in when TRUE Christianity is being put down we all need to stand up and be counted for the truth and the righteousness of God. Let us continue to be witnesses for the truth of His Word because He truly does love us all. A special Bro. stands up for the truth, thanks very much.

Truthiron.

It is a good thing God makes an end to evil, it's an illogical thing, it only hurts and is stupid. Interuption it is, useless interuption.

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etherical waterwave

That "interruption" time seems long to us who are finite ( limited time ) but to Him only 6 days as a thousand years with Him are as a day for us. I would say we are in the very end of that last day and serious reckoning by all should be exercised. This has been a painful interruption for Him and all of us and I know He will reward handsomely all the overcomers. He hasn't made the Way hard but Satan is keeping many from it. Satan's time is now short even in our short time realization.

Truthiron.

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There is no God, there are however millions of people who believe in a creator without any reason to apart from having "faith"

I once had faith that the Force was real, Until I found out it was a product of another man's imagination...funny how similar that is to organised religion.

Please refer to the stickied thread entitled "All MEMBERS PLEASE READ" in the R,F&T Forum. Unless the thread specifically deals with the existence of God, for nature of debate and "moving past religion 101" it's assumed He does exist.

You're more than welcome to deny His existence in this forum, but if the thread topic doesn't deal with is specifically you need to start a new thread about God's existence.

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Interesting, I wasn't aware Jesus was lying. He taught more about a literal, eternal, painful damnation in literal flames more than any person in scripture.

Re NoturTypical

You wrote:

"You're more than welcome to deny His existence in this forum, but if the thread topic doesn't deal with is specifically you need to start a new thread about God's existence."

So now apart from silencing heretics in your spiritual war, you also want to take up the position of resident legalist, who ultimately decides what's on/off topic., especially if it's inconvenient for your fanatism.

You yourself use any chance you get to go REAL off topic, to present your one-way propaganda, and you don't stop at anything to deflect any thread.

In the present case, a very relevent and not off-topic criticism was voiced: Are the basic assumptions for the OP rational, meaningful, communicatiable or is the whole OP just another sermon?

People who want to preach or be preached at can find any amount of holy sites, where assumptions or common sense aren't questioned.

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I didn't make up the forum rules for the R,F&T forum, the super moderator did:

"Some of the topics in this forum will most certainly deal with the existence of God. Does God really exist? While this is a worthwhile topic many members wish to move past this introductory theme, past Religion 101, and would like to dive into deeper topic of religion and faith... We can't begin to truly discuss these topics if we're constantly arguing about if God is real or not... If you have questions that deal with the existence of God or want to ask if Mohamed actually was a real person or a myth, then please start a new discussion with a meaningful, appropriate title and you may then dominate a new discussion with this theme in mind. Please do not interject into deeper religious topics the question of the reality of a higher being. Unless stated in the topic, we are assuming in this forum that we've moved on past that point. Imagine discussing algebra while someone keeps interjecting that they still don’t believe in addition."

ALL MEMBERS READ - Moving Past Religion 101

No one is 'deflecting' anything whatsoever. No one is claiming the subject of God's existence cannot be discussed in this forum, it surely can. In another thread dedicated to that topic specifically.

Don't shoot the messenger, if you don't like the TOS for this forum (R,F,&T) complain to the moderator who made the rules for it.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by truthiron

 

Interesting, I wasn't aware Jesus was lying. He taught more about a literal, eternal, painful damnation in literal flames more than any person in scripture.

In Reply,

Jesus being the "Word" those statements, "verses" actually came forth from Him to the prophets. Were you referring to verses He stated like the following?

Lu 12:49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?
Joh 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Satan started the thing of disobedience which originated "hell" grave, death and it looks like Jesus is still saying "Burned", Past tense in verse above. Yes Jesus made cutting statements and for good reason in each case. He who is the Truth is not lying.

Truthiron.

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Silliness. A Greek word study of Christ's words plainly show the fires of Hell He spoke so often about were literal, eternal, , and excruciatingly painful.

You see, Greek is vastly superior to the English, English is a "lazy" language, we use many words to mean the same thing, however the Greek is absurdly precise.

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NOTurTypical,

The effects of the fire are eternal, eternally no more. The lost reap the opposite of the saved. We choose to eternally live or to be eternally dead. Would you enjoy Heaven if your Dad, son or anyone dear to you were in a fiery burning hell that never consumed them. Again, our God is a consuming fire. Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire. Also De. 4:24

Ec 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Ec 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

Could you ever confess God is righteous if He tortured one for eternity for a few years of disobedience? Compared to eternity our few years are not even a breath in comparison. Solidly I refute eternal hell fire.

Truthiron.

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Could you ever confess God is righteous if He tortured one for eternity for a few years of disobedience? Compared to eternity our few years are not even a breath in comparison. Solidly I refute eternal hell fire.

You're more than welcome to deny what you will to, that's your God-given right. But know this, in doing so, you're making Jesus out to be a liar. Hell was created for the devil and his angels. God is eternal, therefore separation from Him is eternal as well. However, let's look at your idea of justice here on Earth... How long does it take to commit a murder? If you shoot someone, maybe 2 seconds?? Then why isn't the sentence in jail 2 seconds long? Why is it for the entire lifetime, (or death), of the individual? Here on Earth the time limit of punishment doesn't fit the time it took committing the crime.

1. The first death is the separation of the soul and spirit from the body. The second death for the lost is the separation of the Soul from the spirit.

2. God has promised to wipe away all tears, and there will be no suffering in heaven. We will most likely have no remembrance of the lost. then again, we will also be there to witness and judge the angels curing the Great White Throne judgment of Revelation, we will see the evidence presented and we will all know the judgments of Jesus Christ will be just.

I'm sorry, you can play semantics till the cows come home in the English text, but when you move to the Greek it's case closed. The fires Jesus spoke of in hell are eternal, excruciatingly painful, and very real. Secondly, if God were the fire spoken of by Jesus that the people would be cast into who are damned, then there wouldn't be eternal seperation from God, they'd be right there with Him for eternity.

lastly, watch a few NDE videos from people who were not saved at the time they had their NDEs, they will all tell you about the intense heat and flames they saw/experienced in Hell before they were revived back to life.

reply to post by NOTurTypical
NOTurTypical,

Yes I agree our Saviour Jesus Christ is righteous true and just and it's hard to wait until that time comes when we can be in His Kingdom and be one of His subjects. That will be a glorious day. There will be a time when all bow the knee and confess that He is just.

You know, all could be there in that Kingdom.

Truthiron.

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We all wish that, but Jesus also said that many who call Him "Lord, Lord" on that day will be turned away. I don't make too much of it, because we also read that everyone will call Him "Lord" that day as well.

But it goes on to say the sheep will be separated from the goats, with the goats on the left and the sheep on the right... and you know how that verse ends.

reply to post by NOTurTypical
NOTurTyical,

It certainly is true many are crying Lord, Lord but are not of Him. They are being led of another master and know it not. They let men lead them to destruction because they have itching ears.

The only creed book to follow is that old Bible and His Word and look to reform continually. His sheep follow Him. He has said - ,

Mt 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mt 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Those who don't find it are on the broad road that leads to destruction, that lake of fire.

Truthiron.

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Jesus specifically says "on THAT day many will say to me...", we have no idea if those Christ speaks of have called Him Lord in their lifetimes. Also, it's subtle and missed by many, but when thses goats are cast away all their reasoning for arguing with the Lord is based on the woorks they did for Him: "Have we not done X". None of thse people's rest for salvation is based upon what Christ did for them at Calvary. The lost ones hopes rested in a works-based salvation and not redemption through Christ's work.