US cracks down on fake pot as public health hazard

Tried them all.

K2 seemed less dangerous as it doesnt "seem" to give you the headrush that the newer spice does. Still, it's like a mad, super dose of THC that goes away in a very short time. I think it could be dangerous because I have had one moment where I felt perfect clarity from it, yet I also felt like I had poisoned myself for a short duration and I was happy when I came out of that 10 minute moment.

Spice seems less potent but the effects are a little diffrent than the K2. This type seems to give more of a lightheadedness than a stoned feeling.

Now, it's no longer an issue with me about failing this test or another, or getting busted with this or that, but the new chemicals enhances the high many of us felt with pot, so, many will continue to go after these products because of the potency alone. To be honest, I enjoy the stuff, but I feel that I am a lil more cautious than most 18 year olds as I am an adult. I dont drink, I dont like to drink, I dont like the way it feels. One thing this has over pot other than the potency, is the lack of bad moods and slight depressive feelings that I felt with pot, the next day. All still left me conjested, as taking smoke into the lungs is never a good thing, but I find that I might need to smoke more to keep the buzz going, and that falls back down to opening myself to potentual hazards that this stuff may cause over time.

IMO, both are bad as we dont know what they're capable of. Yet, at the same time, I do enjoy them both, but everyone has the right to do to themselves what they will, IMO. But... If we want to take away some of these possible problems that these chemicals could cause, simply make pot legal, so then we wont have to go through this over and over again. One will be banned, another will take it's place. 5 will be banned, 5 more will take it's place.

It will be never ending simply because it's not the THC anymore, it's the equiv of what the THC does in your body. Now that it's easy to reproduce the effects of THC with chemicals, there really isnt a limit to how many undetectable variations of this stuff that can be made. They can ban all they want.. they''ll just make more types that arnt illegal, untill that comes up yet again. I dont see an end to this. If people wanna get high, let them, so long as they do not effect those around them. If you alow the natural nature made stuff, then you wouldnt have to worry about the unnatural stuff that you dont know anything about.

Personaly I can see how it would be dangerous in the wrong hands, but overall I really dont see a problem with it. Id rather see someone with that in their hands than a bottle of "kill the guy in the oncomming car" but being intoxicated behind the wheel is nothing less than being intoxicated behind the wheel. It all boils down to wether you feel pot is bad or not. I feel that alchohol is very bad in comparison. It's the poor man's heroin and acts very similar and is almost as bad for you if not equally.

Ban or no Ban, people will do what people want to do. If it's not allowed, other ways will be found. It's as simple as that.

As far as deaths... I have not found any evidance, not one, that can show that this stuff is bad for you. The worst I've found through articles and nurses that I know say the same thing. The worst that has happened (other than relations to OTHER drungs) are people running to the ER with what they percieve as a faster heart rate, and much of it from fear and just being high as hell. Pot does the same thing and probably would be equal if the high was the same, but K2 and Spice is supposed to be 8-10X the potency. So that explains that. It simply doesnt last as long and does not show up in a test. Other than the potency, it feels and acts just like pot, except for the diffrences I explained above, which I credit to the potency of the product.

Overall, if so many people are doing/buying this, the Gov should wake up and see that people just want to get a buzz, break away from boredom or the stress that they impose upon the masses through high taxes, starvation and down right being poor in these times... It's no diffrent from Beer, Wine, Cigs, or anything else that we use to "take a load off". Gateway drug? Haha! Yeah sure, about as much as pot is.... This aspect is just dumb. I feel quite the opposite. Make weed legal and much of the addicts just might rely on pot than the drugs they are doing, depending on the type of person of course.

Oh i also remember one time my brother was smoking it and after he took a hit, he completely blacked out for just a few seconds and snapped back into consciousness without even realizing what had even happened. I think some people have higher tolerance to this stuff, because i can recall that my brother had a number of intense experiences, while my experiences were not as frequent and not as bad. I've also smoked these things more, so maybe i built up a tolerance for them?

reply to post by bulletproof_monk

I see where we are headed on this, the manufactures find unbanned ingredients and just sell that under a new name. The circle continues on...forever!

That is a lot of info, but good first hand info. I am guessing 3 or 4 years went by before you quit. A personal question for you- After seeing your brother freak, and throwing up after some beers, why did you continue to try the latest blend? I seems the downside (hangovers! to say the least) would far outweigh the high.

Originally posted by Tribble
reply to post by rangerdanger

 

Unbelievable, but I believe you! Soldiers on a body high, that can't be good for operations. I wonder if it's allowed to be smoked openly.

NO! It's illegal to do such things with any substance that makes you feel high. There is a big no no on the package that tells you "Not for human consumption" and some that tells you that you should not burn it as regular incence either.

where i'm at weed is cheaper but I often like taking the risk of going to get it, plus if you can't find any... it turns into a hassle where as with this all you have to do is go the headshop.

it's pretty retarded that weed is demonized like it is. I was in jail for 79 days before and the woman in there did coke and crack because you can party all weekend on that # and by the end of the week go see the po and piss clean... whereas if you EVER smoke pot on probation, you're at a much higher risk to get caught. it actually turned some of these chicks who had already been popped to do harder drugs, but honestly- their are people in the system who want exactly that... to pad their budgets with the little druggies they can keep in the system rather than going out and finding the real criminals. they don't want the real criminals in the jail because they don't want to deal with them.

some cops I say, not all. some are okay but even those know there are cops in the system that are just turning the wheel.
it's a stupid law... if they are going to keep weed illegal, they ought to make booze illegal, that's when you really start messing stuff up... when you're a drunk.

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The complaints are evidently mounting to a point where this issue can't be ignored any longer. I am sure there are extreme cases and out of proportion statistics.

I agree with you, people on naturally grown pot don't have to go to the emergency room or kill themselves.

I lived in Alaska for 10 years and for most of that time regular old marijuana was legal for everyone. There were no problems, other than the state couldn't figure out a way to profit from it.

Originally posted by bulletproof_monk
Oh i also remember one time my brother was smoking it and after he took a hit, he completely blacked out for just a few seconds and snapped back into consciousness without even realizing what had even happened. I think some people have higher tolerance to this stuff, because i can recall that my brother had a number of intense experiences, while my experiences were not as frequent and not as bad. I've also smoked these things more, so maybe i built up a tolerance for them?

I think so. I've smoked the real thing so long that this stuff really did nothing out of the ordinary. I think it's more personal perception and what you can handle. Some might have more "spray" on it than others, and sometimes you just might take a pinch of a more saturated amount in the pack than usual. Sometimes one amount is diffrent than the amount before or after. All depends. I've only had one bad experiance with this, but I can only chalk it up to getting a higher "dose" of it than normal. You cant really know just how much potency is in each pack because it's not exactly spread out in a way that can be measured exactly. So you're kinda taking a chance with each "hit".

I mean I DON'T like the risks of going and getting it.

Ya I guess people are desperate for a natural relaxer or body high, whatever, anyways as of now marijuana is the only organic known remedy throughout the universe yet it's still illegal, That's why synthetic versions are being created, releasing the real "reefer madness"... I'd like to say we've gone Pharm Mad.


O you got a headache, here's a pill for that... and the list goes on any little pain, discomfort, etc... There's a pill for it.

Pharm Mad.

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Yeah thats for sure. I remember spice came in either like a small one time pack of about 0.4 grams and a bigger pack of about and eighth of and ounce (3.5g) and i remember that with the big packs, the bottom of the bag was always the strongest. It was the powdery past of the herbs and im pretty sure that the chemical was concentrated the most in that part. You can never know the potency with these blends.

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Yeah, thats the kicker. Also the type of flame you use also makes the diffrence just as the smoking aparatus used.

Price wise, it's always more expensive when the new products hits. Supply and demand. Right now, here, it's just as cheep as the real deal, depending where you get it. There are so many brands and diffrent potency out around here. All in all, I see it actually getting slightly cheeper than pot now.

reply to post by Tribble


Well, the bad experiences were a few from many experiences with this blend. I experiemented with spice for asome time because it took a couple years for it to get banned, and was in the beginning of when i started experimenting with drugs and herbal blends. Im not saying that All my experiences with this stuff were bad. The majority of them were completely fine. It makes you feel nice and relaxed, but in the long run you can def feel the effects. It also does some heavy damage on your lungs. I was on the cross country and wrestling teams at the time, and you can def feel that damage when you start running or wrestling.
And the question youre asking is like asking someone why they still drink after being hungover. It only really happens when you over do it, or mix it with alcohol. Plus in the article it said that some people became dependent on these blends? I don't think they were addictive, but its hard to tell. Many of my friends that have smoked spice or the other blends dont smoke the manufactured stuff anymore, but still smoke pot frequently or even daily. I dont know if this could be why, but if they built a chemical dependency to spice or one of the other herbal blends maybe this is why they smoke pot a lot? maybe the dependency makes it harder for them to get off pot? OR maybe they are just huge stoners. hahaha. I guess we'll never know

reply to post by ChaosMagician

Thanks for the honest reply, it sounds like it could be addicting to me.

Rubber band arms, didn't that prevent you from picking up a glass of water or driving to somewhere? I sounds like the physical change (yellowing of your skin) was the last straw! Did your friends notice the yellowing?

You only smoked it for a month, and you said you ordered the pure strength. What that the addiction taking hold or did you want to get "higher?"

I've experimented with herbal blends and I will never go back to them. They just totally messed with my perception.

You want to save headaches? Legalize the real stuff and you'll kill the market for the herbal blends.

Here it's 10-05 per gram for a premade flavored herb blend. I can get a quarter of mid grade weed that will keep me higher longer for 20 bucks... a good 7+ grams.
Hence, the reason I got into the compound... round about 30-40 bucks a gram of powder shipping included that would last me same time as a quarter of weed.

I found cnoids to be more expensive than green. 3-4 times as expensive in the case of premade herb blends.

Although when I was younger and I have always found this quite bizarre, we always got charged 35-40 a quarter.
Everybody started growing it I think is what happened. If i have to pay more than 25 bucks for a quarter I'm like "whaaat?"... the junk better be hydro unless they're bringing it to me as well.

Those herbal blends are big in the military, I was told it was used largely because of it not coming up in the urine test.

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Yeah, I def noticed the price was fluctuating a lot esp when the blends first came out. Here in japan, pot is like just as illegal as anything else like coke or E or anything. A drug is a drug. The risk of selling/carrying pot here is very high. Being caught with even a fraction of a gram can get you jailed for years. Actually i think weight doens't matter. having 0.4g is the same as getting caught with multiple grams. The going price in japan is usually aroudn 50-60bucks per g depending on connections. So buying the herbal blends is MUCH cheaper. I think right now, getting an herbal blend (roughly the same amnt to 1g of MJ) would be less than half the price, and is much safer to be carrying it around, so many people are gonna go that route. MJ is also very hard to come across here, so when people can't find any, they usually go straight to a headshop to get a fix on something.

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I bet your son had no history of seizures. I pray there are no lasting effects for him. I hate to even ask this, but I want to know.Did the doc say anything about the possibility of more seizures?

The girl who is a coma now, there is nothing to do but wait. I am sure there is outrage in that community over the manufacturers being liable/untouchable.

I am guessing the cops and nurses have been totally aware of this synthetic pot for some time.

Originally posted by Tribble
reply to post by ChaosMagician

 

Thanks for the honest reply, it sounds like it could be addicting to me.

Rubber band arms, didn't that prevent you from picking up a glass of water or driving to somewhere? I sounds like the physical change (yellowing of your skin) was the last straw! Did your friends notice the yellowing?

You only smoked it for a month, and you said you ordered the pure strength. What that the addiction taking hold or did you want to get "higher?"

I don't think it's addictive but I have smoked pot for 20 years and I'm pretty used to the habit of every day use... then in my twenties i started having weird headaches every time I quit, but not immediately. I mean, like, a month after I quit... making me think it wasn't withdrawels but that something was wrong and the weed was helping it.

Quitting wasn't a big deal. I don't freak out when I quit. sometimes if i know where people are always smoking and they can get it but they don't want to bring attention to their dealers or something, that aggravates the # out of me. A lot of people are like that. they have steady dealings but don't want to introduce you to them because they are dealers and don't want to help you by getting it for you. That's the only time i get aggravated about not having weed. It's jee whiz, all these high ass people and nobody wants to come off the # because they are lazy, stoned and paranoid.
If I have a pothead friend that is always high around me but will sit and watch me jones even though I'm willing to buy, I don't hang out with that person long. that's just damn selfish... but anyway. Quitting is not a big deal... only after a while if I start getting those nauseous headaches.

I never drove with rubber band arms. I would lay down and try to keep from hyperventilating and grit my teeth for a bit. Usually I'd nod off and wake up just a little while later feeling normal again. It passes quick. I don't have a car right now, but I drive my mothers vehicle and I don't drive her car high. I don't like driving high.

as for people noticing... I'm not a very social person. I'm 35 and used to have a lot of friends and got screwed over by more than one of them. I do have friends, good friends but we aren't always hanging out all the time and stuff. They live their lives, I live mine. A lot of them are in another state anyway... back home. Around here i mostly see my family and am a bit reclusive because I don't like putting up with people's crap. hell, I'm doing good if I walk to walmart and don't get followed by one of them drunks down the street. I find a lot of people just cause damn problems. that's why talking to people online is cool because when they start annoying me, i can just click... and i don't have to hear it anymore. people cause drama and it's hard sometimes to weed those people out so I am not very social.

as for for anyone noticing, my mother notices when I don't feel good but she doesn't start talking all kinds of junk about my skin because that's like saying "you look like crap!"...she is more likely to say "are you eating good?"...she is more likely to notice my weight than my skin color.
I'm sure these things are noticeable but i'm sure they are most noticeable to me and most people just don't say anything. I see variations in other people's skin tone a lot but i don't point it out unless they ask me for an opinion and are talking to me about being sick. My skin color is looking better these days... and when I did notice, it's not like the jaundice was so bad that my eyes were yellow, but it was noticeable... and I had lost a few pounds.

I am so pale anyway, people are used to me looking a tad gaunt or under the weather.

I only smoked compounds for a month but the thing with me is, I don't just smoke one night and then lay off for a couple of days. I nurse it, like medicine or something. I take constant small amounts and I drink more coffee while I'm smoking and that doesn't help. I don't smoke a lot but i like to keep a steady supply it seems. even though it's less fun that way. it's more like maintenance doses than peaks and valleys and getting really high on saturday and taking sunday off.

whow , ya it says incense for a reason... But people don't care... interesting I Say.