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Originally posted UK Wizard
but you can see why i want to split the EU into different alliances, due to different countries wanting different things out of the EU
Originally posted by StrangeLands
Or am I crazy?
Originally posted by UK Wizard
Firstly the EU would be ended (read on please), and several independent alliances would be set up:
EFTA - European Free Trading allliance
EDF - European Defence Force
ESR - European Science Research
EFA - European Fishing Alliance
etc....
Originally posted by ThunderCloud
Of course, I'm over here in the US, reading about it from the outside in, so feel free to critique my statements (Just be nice to me! I'm trying to learn and understand here! )
Originally posted by UK Wizard
Firstly the EU would be ended (read on please), and several independent alliances would be set up
Originally posted by muppet
UK Patriot,
I understand you're concerns re: the US, but with respect that is one of the worst possible reasons to commit to a federal Europe/Euro..
I strongly disagree with the idea that Britain would be "alone" without the EU, or that we will be forced to choose between two superstates.
Don't forget, :-
Out of a world population of 6 billion people, over 5 billion of them are neither European nor American.
Most of the worlds raw materials are not in the US or Europe.
The fastest growing economies in the world, the ones who are our prime export targets, are not European or American.
Britain IS a global power. Not through military might, or through Europe, or through the US, but because of our international outlook, our business links, our language, and our culture.
We do business internationally, and always have done. Being an independent nation with good relationships with both powers is the best place we can be, PARTICULARLY in this modern fast changing world. Geo-politics is far more complex than simply forming a big group with your neighbours so as to be "listened to". In fact, we are in a prime economic, geographic and cultural position to gain from both relationships, as long as we don't go sacrificing one for the other.
So please, if anyone is reading this thread thinks it's a choice between the US and Europe, it's not.
Originally posted by UK Patriot
Heh, I stand corrected.. It's nice not to get the usual retarded posted which only contains exsessive flaming regarding the situation with europe...
[edit on 2-7-2004 by UK Patriot]