N. Korea Crisis - Updated as News come to hand

Originally posted by rajaten
There will be no war with korea.

Its a distraction from other more important things.

Media blitz anyone?

Do you have any links to proof that claim?

reply to post by DutchBigBoy


Opinions dont always require proof but if you really need it then history is a good place to start.
Is it just coincidence that there usually seems to be some kind of international crisis that happens
when things are looking ugly here in the father land, i mean homeland?
Watch the movie "Wag the Dog" sometime, poorly made movie but the message is clear.

reply to post by Big Raging Loner


They could do that. They could also send hundreds of their crappy fighters in a big wave so they overwhelm the SKorean air defenses while among those fighters there's a bomber with a nuke that goes through and they drop it...

But we're all talking about nukes... the REAL DANGER and confirmed danger is CHEMICAL weapons. According to the ROK Defense White Papers I've been reading the last couple of days, NKorea WILL USE chemical weapons in a first strike against Seoul. Thing is... they have about 5000 tons of chemical agents...but can raise that amount to 12 000 tons... and they can deliver it by every mean they have... missiles, artillery shells, MRLS, planes, boats, mortars...

And they have lots of deadly chemical weapons... adamsite (DM), chloroacetophenone (CN), chlorobenzylidene malononitrile (CS), hydrogen cyanide (AC), mustard-family (H or HD), phosgene (CG and CX), sarin (GB), soman (GD), tabun (GA), and V-agents (VM and VX).

Thing is, the South Korean population HAVE NO gas masks. I would say that less than 1% of South Koreans have working gas masks... chemicals weapons are a way bigger threat than nukes...when we talk about NKorea.

#DPRK Peace Comm.: ROK, US "better behave themselves" as starting war will bring them nothing but self-destruction." #Koreas 25 minutes ago via TweetDeck

Self-destruction... well maybe financially... but militarily... yeah no. What's another few tens or even hundreds of billions to the deficit?

First reference in #DPRK media spotted calling Kim Jong Un chongyo'nghanu'n taejang (respected General). 21 minutes ago via TweetDeck

The few previous mentions of KJU had called him ch'o'ngnyo'n taejang (young general). #DPRK 20 minutes ago via TweetDeck

So Kim Jong un had an upgrade! Probably because of the attack on the island...which they claimed was his.

Very respected academic analyst of DPRK who I spoke with tonight in Seoul predicts next attack from N. Korea won't come until Mar/Apr 2011. 10 minutes ago via TweetDeck

Since Kim Il Sung 100 year anniversary is celebrated on April 15, 2011, them doing something stupid to commemorate it is logic..

But a sr. USFK strategist believes next #DPRK provocation much sooner...maybe within weeks. Take your pick. #Koreas 10 minutes ago via TweetDeck

Well to win a war with the South, NKorea believes that they must win within a month... before the US can come with reinforcements... and the only way to achieve that is to strike when the US public is busy...like during Christmas...

And maybe after all they want to conquer the entire peninsula before Kim Il Sung 100 year anniversary because they believe something like this... ``we'll celebrate his 100 year anniversary in Seoul, in an unified communist Korea.`` So they would start a war before...

UPDATE : N. Korea appears to have made little concessions to Chinese envoy: Seoul official

North Korea appears to have made little concessions when a top Chinese official visited Pyongyang earlier this week on an apparent mission to defuse tensions over the North's recent artillery attack on a South Korean island, a Seoul official said Saturday.

Chinese State Councilor Dai Bingguo met with North Korean leader Kim Jong-il in Pyongyang on Thursday for discussions on matters of mutual concern that outside analysts believe included the Nov. 23 attack. China briefed Seoul on the outcome of the Kim-Dai meeting through diplomatic channels on Friday night, said the official, requesting anonymity.

"I can't speak in detail, but regarding North Korea's position, it appears that there is little difference in the position that it has been sticking to," the official said, declining to provide further specifics.

So China have little to no control over NKorea... or they are lying.

Originally posted by Vitchilo
and they can deliver it by every mean they have... missiles, artillery shells, MRLS, planes, boats, mortars...

And they have lots of deadly chemical weapons... adamsite (DM), chloroacetophenone (CN), chlorobenzylidene malononitrile (CS), hydrogen cyanide (AC), mustard-family (H or HD), phosgene (CG and CX), sarin (GB), soman (GD), tabun (GA), and V-agents (VM and VX).

That's a lot of gruesome ways to kill a human. Do we know if these chemicals are just stockpiles or are the North Koreans actively continuing the productions of these weapons? From an outsider looking in, the kind of steps needed to be taken for the proper containment of such chemicals would be thought to be beyond what NK can muster. But it wouldn't surprise me if any troops were sent into NK they'd be outfitted in chemical weapons protective gear not for the defense of any chemical weapon attack by the NK's but as a precaution against any "hot zones" they may step into.

It's a dangerous game for any country, especially a densely populated and geographically small one, to be effing around with chemical weapons

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That's a lot of gruesome ways to kill a human. Do we know if these chemicals are just stockpiles or are the North Koreans actively continuing the productions of these weapons?

Well that's why most countries have banned them/are destroying them...

Apparently NKorea is still continuing building them... use them in combat training...

Thing is the South population is not ready for those... but the North, is. They have issued gas masks to all it's population and they do regular civilian training...

They need those in any attack to paralyze air force bases. NKorea knows they will fall if they cannot neutralize that air power... so they plan to bomb the air fields with chemical weapons so the air fields have to be decontaminated before being able to be used.

They NEED chemical weapons to win a war. So for sure they are still building them.

reply to post by Vitchilo


Then if that's the case, North Korea clearly shows intent to use in a offensive capacity weapons that are against international law. I'm surer by the day that the veil of Chinese-NK relations as we know of is lifting and we're starting to see the relationship between the two for what it really is. Since NK has and will use if need its chemical weapons then China in no way can support North Korea, even logistically, lest they too face the wrath of the international community. I'm not talking so much about NATO countries as I am about the ones in Asia due to NK spreading the "winds of war" over the Asian continent.

The Chinese government is really between a rock and a hard place over the course of this situation on the Korean Peninsula. As I see it, they have to make the choice of keeping an alliance with a country that is based upon a political ideology from 50 years ago, which is also slowly deteriorating in China itself for it's own brand of Chinese capitalism, and would share the consequences of the North's actions or cut ties with the North and leave the world to deal with an unpredictable despotic dictator. Either way, Beijing is going to need to deal with the effects of what course they take domestically from the people who are in opposition to the establishment and they run the risk of a very bloody civil war the likes of which the world has not seen in centuries.

As a result of what is to be on the Korean Peninsula, I see a shift in the paradigm of the United States' influence on foreign policy in Asia to a state where nations such as Taiwan, Japan and South Korea will not require the diplomatic (and possibly military assistance) of the US in situations dealt within their own geopolitical communities. I, for one, am personally all for that situation.

We are ready to wage full-scale war: NK

“It is crystal-clear that the provocations will expand to the full-scale war not confined to limited war if the South fires at us with aircraft, war ships and missiles and the U.S. intervene in war with its up-to-date weapons,” said the statement.

And the rhetoric continues to escalate from N.Korea.

www.koreatimes.co.kr...

Excuse me for my ignorance, but arn't the games over. So why would they think that anyone would just attact them with no reason. I think this is all B.S. on their part. A bully playing their game.
Can you imagine the voletivity that goes on in that regime? Their so paranoid, they don't know fact from fiction.

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Yeah they are over... but they are restarting again monday!

Military to conduct more firing drills off all coasts

The military will conduct naval firing drills this week at 27 locations that won't include areas near border islands on the country's west coast, defense officials said Sunday.

The drills will be held Dec. 13-17 off all coasts, they said, but none are scheduled near the five islands in the Yellow Sea that lie just south of the maritime border with North Korea.

So again...but nowhere near the islands... as of now..but that could change...

"We will decide on whether to conduct the drills at Yeonpyeong after taking into account various elements, including the weather," one official said.

So they could do drills in the NLL... again the weather saving us from WW3... thank you God!


And BTW, if NKorea does an attack anywhere in SKorea with VX gas, if you don't have your gas mask + protective clothing when it happens, you die for sure. The ``bomb shelters`` for the civilians would be worthless.

If they use chemical weapons against civilians populations, NKorea deserves to be nuked.

www.keprtv.com...

FORMER director of national intelligence Dennis Blair said he believed South Korea would take military action against the North, but it would stop short of war.

Mr Blair, speaking on CNN’s “State of the Union” on his return from a visit to South Korea, said Seoul was “losing patience” with Pyongyang and the result of that would be military action.

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reply to post by john124


"Stopping short of war". I don't think Kim will not do anything in return - what do you think?

No progress from Dai in Pyongyang

“Chinese officials told us that the North Korean side said [to Dai] that it attacked Yeonpyeong because South Korea provoked the North by continuing shooting drills despite being warned several times,” said a government official. “Chinese officials said North Korea said it wouldn’t have done it if South Korea and the U.S. hadn’t held the drills.”

However, North Korea told China it will talk with the United States if the U.S. arranges conditions for talks by ending hostile policies against the North, the official said.

So... when do the talks start? And since the North said they bombed the island because they said that the US-ROK continued their exercises even if NKorea had warned them not to do it and SKorea is starting new drills once again monday for all week... will the North do another provocation?

Japan to deploy new missile interceptors: report

Japan plans to deploy advanced interceptor missiles at its air bases across the nation to counter the threat of North Korea's ballistic missiles, Kyodo News reported on Saturday.

The deployment of Patriot Advanced Capability-3 interceptor missiles will be under new five-year defence policy guidelines to be announced as early as next week, Kyodo said, quoting government and defence officials.

Good for Japan.

S. Korea calls Kan's remarks on Japanese troop dispatch 'unrealistic'

South Korean officials on Sunday brushed off as "unrealistic" Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan's remarks on a possible dispatch of his country's Self-Defense Forces (SDF) to the Korean Peninsula in case of contingencies.

Yeah... Japan sending troops on the Korean peninsula... NOT A GOOD IDEA...

And if this limited ``war`` does happen, it would be very dangerous... both sides will not like to be seen as ``backing down`` since both sides are in trouble politically... and if they do, they are dead politically... Kim needs this for his son... and Lee needs this to stay in power.

What was Baga ganga's ( or whatever her name is ) prediction?...end of November World War 3 will start, it will begin as a normal regional war and escelate into a world war...Guess this is it huh? ^^...that would be crazy.

Originally posted by dude69
What was Baga ganga's ( or whatever her name is ) prediction?...end of November World War 3 will start, it will begin as a normal regional war and escelate into a world war...Guess this is it huh? ^^...that would be crazy.

November is over and there is no such thing as psychic's who can see the future.

Don't trivialize this serious situation with that stuff

reply to post by Nomad451


War isn't trivial? I would say it is...the most trivial and common of human activities...anway...I know there's no such thing as psychics, but in this case it's a funny coincidence. That's what the smiley was meant to clarify. ^^...as in...funny coincidence.

Anyway...time will tell how this is gonna play out. One thing is certain...South Korea and America has intensified their joint drills around the Peninsula, which will start tomorrow as Vichilo pointed out. Which obviously contradicts their statements of diminishing tensions...the complete opposite is the case.

More news... and the drills in SKorea are about to start any minute now since it's 7.33AM in SKorea...and the sun rises at about 7.40AM.

Japan to Shift Its Military Toward Threats From China

In what would be a sweeping overhaul of its cold war-era defense strategy, Japan is about to release new military guidelines that would reduce its heavy armored and artillery forces pointed northward toward Russia in favor of creating more mobile units that could respond to China’s growing presence near its southernmost islands, Japanese newspapers reported Sunday.

Wouldn't it have been better to wait a month or so to release this report? I mean come on now.

-- 'Fighter jets would have been deployed if N. Korea had fired more artillery on Yeonpyeong' (Chosun Ilbo)
Hmmm they were deployed... The article probably says that the fighter jets would have bombed NKorea if NKorea had fired more artillery.

China's dangerous embrace

Despite the deepening crisis on the Korean Peninsula over North Korea's bombardment of Yeonpyeong Island and the country's uranium enrichment program, China's attempt to embrace its ally has gone too far. Chinese State Councilor Dai Bingguo reportedly called on North Korea to restrain its military provocations when he met with North Korean leader Kim Jong-il last Thursday, but it was little more than lip service. In response, Kim Jong-il was reported to have reiterated that the North was just responding to an attack from the South.

Now, the Chinese government appears to be pushing even harder for the idea of an emergency meeting among senior officials of the six parties, regardless of explicit opposition from South Korea, the U.S. and Japan. Although North Korean Foreign Minister Park Ui-chun has already vowed to "augment our nuclear deterrence," China is still moving in step with the North Koreans, rather than criticizing them.

Let's say that this editorial trashes the Chinese pretty hard for their support of NKorea... and righteously so.

UN says Korea aid scheme on verge of failing

A UN aid programme that is supposed to provide food supplements to 2m children and pregnant women in North Korea is reaching less than half the target population and is likely to close within months because western funding has dried up.

More starving people in NKorea.

Seems I was right about the Chosun article...
S.Korea 'Was Ready to Strike' North During Yeonpyeong Attack

South Korea says it was ready to launch an air strike if North Korea had fired a third artillery wave against Yeonpyeong Island last month. "A decision was made to mobilize fighter jets and strike targets if North Korea conducted a third artillery shelling," a high-ranking Cheong Wa Dae official told reporters.

Good that NKorea stopped when they did...

Japan 'Could Deploy Troops in Korea in Emergency'

The daily Tokyo Shimbun reported on Sunday that the Japanese government already sounded out to the Korean government the possibility of dispatching SDF transport aircraft and vessels to Seoul, Incheon and Busan to rescue around 28,000 Japanese citizens residing in Korea.

But the daily said the Korean government rejected the proposal citing a potential public outrage among Koreans who may be reminded of the forced occupation of their country by the Japanese imperial military from 1910 to 1945. Seoul was also reportedly concerned that the consultation itself could give the impression that a war is imminent.

Yep...

S. Korea, U.S. discuss forming committee to deter N. Korea's nuclear threats

"The two sides plan to sign terms of reference to systemize the Extended Deterrence Policy Committee, which would be headed by Chang and Schiffer," said an official at the South's defense ministry.

South Korea and the U.S. agreed to form the committee at their annual defense ministers' meeting in October.

Extended deterrence means the U.S. can provide tactical and strategic nuclear weapons, conventional strike and missile defense capabilities to defend South Korea in case of an attack from North Korea. It is the first time for the U.S. to create such a committee with a non-NATO ally.

Can provide TACTICAL AND STRATEGIC NUCLEAR WEAPONS against NKorea... Hopefully NKorea isn't stupid and doesn't use nukes/dirty bomb/chemical weapons on the South or it could get real messy real fast.

Vitchilo, you have done a great job keeping us posted!!!!!!!! I visit this thread daily and just wanted to say I really appreciate all the effort you have put forth to keep us informed.

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Thanks!

# NKPLF members (ex-DPRK military) say N. Korea soldiers believe Korean unification will only come through an attack. 19 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®

# NKPLF: #DPRK provocations will continue so #ROK military needs to carry out preemptive strikes. #Koreas 10 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®

ROK doing preemptive strikes? I don't think so.... but yeah... if ROK-US sees ANY HINT of an attack, bomb the hell out of their chemical/nuclear sites + artillery positions before they can retaliate.