If there was no Israel we would need to use our own troops

Speaking of the Vice President. Here is a video of Joe Biden admitting that he is a Zionist.

www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by Zorzenon
reply to post by phatpackage

 

So. Say that a bank owns your house. They give it to me cause... someone ELSE didn't like me and killed a lot of my people. That's fine, cause it's legal. But not moral? So, you admit isreal is in the wrong on the whole Palestine issue? Great!

So, you admit isreal is in the wrong on the whole Palestine issue? Great!

I did not say that at all!. Don't put words into my mouth. Whats that you said all ATS member are drug addicted madmen? See you don't like it when someone puts words in your mouth.

reply to post by phatpackage


I actually don't mind it at all. The two statements are in no way related in the least, and any person capable of critical thinking would ever confuse the two. Besides, most of the stories I write are told from a "first person" perspective... where I do indeed portray myself as a drug addled madman. This, does not make it so. Much in the same way as saying that land belongs to them. It just doesn't.

reply to post by Cassius666


America has had bad relations with the middle east since our conception, mainly due to the fact they were pirates who killed raped and stole our shipments.

Originally posted by Zorzenon
reply to post by phatpackage

 

I actually don't mind it at all. The two statements are in no way related in the least, and any person capable of critical thinking would ever confuse the two. Besides, most of the stories I write are told from a "first person" perspective... where I do indeed portray myself as a drug addled madman. This, does not make it so. Much in the same way as saying that land belongs to them. It just doesn't.

No worries, I'm cool lets just have fun with this!

reply to post by phatpackage


Nothing fun about people stealing your home. Worse, when they think a imaginary friend said it was theirs. I hold no ill will towards you, but... isreal's government is to blame. Period. That said, their government is based on the OT... Which calls me a Goyim. A sub-human. Like my muslim friends who hate sharia, my jewish friends hate the laws that state how to treat goy. Funny huh? No... not really. Religion is a poison which many can't wait to swallow, and it is solely to blame for the horrid conditions of this rock some of us call earth. Especially in that wretched desert that too many crazy people think is holy.

In thinking about a "world without Israel", most would probably say that things would just have to improve.

Maybe. Maybe not.

Taking a step back from today's mess, what if we got "yesterday's mess", updated? In other words, was there something in the past, some history that could provide some hint at how things might be today, if Israel had never been? Sort of like the "if the South had won" kind of scenario.

The biggest thing in that region, in the not so distant past, was the Ottoman Empire. Not many know much about it I'm guessing, but it was an "Islamic" empire, composed of a number of nations that we know today, sort of like a federation, or confederation, under the Sultan. This was something that had been there for six centuries, having beaten Byzantium, and actually challenged the West militarily.

It may not seem important today, but things were shaping up in the 19th century that probably revived old fears that this Islamic empire could possibly yet again, challenge the West. Increasing nationalism was sweeping the whole world, and if it was dangerous enough to simply share a language, like German for example, how much more dangerous if a group of people also shared a religion?

Other things seemed to indicate that caution was prudent. Japan for example stunned the world, essentially going from a pre-industrial feudal society in the 1850's, to a major world military power, in not much more than a generation. Very few know that one of the world's first attempts at an "air force" developed in the Ottoman Empire, way back in 1909, when Western nations could barely deploy a few craft primarily for reconnaissance. WWI comes along, the Ottoman Empire alies with the Central Powers (Germany).

A ton of history, but my point is that this empire was regarded as something that needed to be neutralized, and various methods were used to accomplish the goal, including the "romance" with Turkey, that continues to this day, as Turks face a decision about whether they want to be primarily "European", or would prefer to return to their more Islamic roots.

In short, there's a very big geopolitical "chess game" that's been going on for a very long time, and it forms a context for the current situation.

At some point, TPTB decided that they needed to set up a permanent "base" smack in the middle of the region, to keep the Islamic world in division (or, at least until bigger plans for global dominion can supersede the temp plans) . What better way to do it than to take a people who were already well advertised in the Bible, and have them literally "volunteer" for the mission?!

Enter Zionism, and the colonization of Palestine by Jews, who by the end of WW2, already had a critical mass in the region. All they needed was some world "sympathy", and an international body that could seemingly grant "their" wish. Obviously, this is what happened in 1948.

SO, now for the fun of it, "what if" it didn't happen this way? "What if" the Turks were not persuaded to "go Western" in the 1920's, and instead had kept Arabic, rejecting the planned European assimilation? Further, what if the leaders had looked to Japan, and firmly decided to modernize as they did? How "prepared" would they have been by WW2? Would they have joined Hitler against the Allies? It actually seems likely, considering they had been allies with Germany in the First World War.

I guess we could keep going, but maybe we should just wait for the book to come out!

I think Israel exists for a strategic reason, and I think the Jews were "chosen" for this mission because they fit the bill to a T.

But I wouldn't want to give the wrong impression here. While one could look at the installment of the Israeli regime as a strategic way to balance, and achieve "peace", I tend to think that it was exactly the opposite reason that they were chosen. Yes, there might be a sort of "balance", but there would also be a constant IMBALANCE, as we see today. This situation can be exploited by our masters, and can turn very big and deadly, anytime they wish.

Another way to put it: They have planted a "bomb" in the middle of the world, and it's main purpose before they decide it's time to set it off, is to keep us all in dire fear. Our masters believe that they can achieve "order out of chaos", so all in due time, they will eventually have us exactly the way they want us.

If we need a hint as to what might be planned, all we need to do is look in their Bible. Armageddon? Sure, why not? And afterward, they get to rebuild the world to their liking...A Utopia for them, a Plantation for the rest of us.

JR

Israel is just a bane for World's peace

Just some points. There are currently other wars in the Middle East not involving Israel. There is a civil war in Yemen that has caused at least 150,000 refugees to flee to S'audi Arabia and lead the the S'audis building a war between themselves and Yemen. There are also multiple occupations eg Turkey, Iran etc occupy 25 million Kurds in Kurdistan and Turkey recently used poison gas against the Kurds fighting for their independance;
www.spiegel.de...

Morroco brutally occupies a country called Western Sahara where 50% of citizens are literally living as slaves. Then we could get to the India Kashmir dispute. This is interesting because Pakistan was calved out of India at the same time as Israel by the British to create a state for one religion (Islam) just as Israel was created for Jews. It has lead to 10 times the number of casaulties but not many people ever say Pakistan should go back to the Indians. Double standards of course.

Arabs also occupy the Berbers and supress their langauage and culture in North Africa and the Copts are second class citizens (literally Dhimmis) in Egypt. About 500,000 Christians have fleed Iraq because they are attacked constantly by Islamists. Infact the only Christian community actually growing in the Middle East is....Israels.

The point is that many Americans are only aware of what they are fed by their media. Israel is not perfect but it has only ever fought wars with its neighbours due to their violence and failure to recognise it. It gave up the Sinai to Egypt (which contained oil and is bigger than Israel itself) for peace. It has also withdrawn from Gaza and Lebanon. Europeans and Americans are constantly attacking countries around the world, sometimes for good reasons and sometimes not, but to answer your question; America would eventually have to station troops in the Middle East even if there was no Israel because there are many many other wars going on that could lead to either a direct threat to the American Nation eg Iran, Libya, or to American interests in the region. The Turks invaded and occupued Europe (Greece, Serbia, Bulgaria etc) something like 70 times over 400 years before there was a modern Israel. The Arabs invaded and occupied Spain and got as far as France before there was a modern Israel. The Crusades were prior to Modern Israel. American (Western) culture is constantly at threat from Islamist expansionist Jihadis.

Just some points. There are currently other wars in the Middle East not involving Israel. There is a civil war in Yemen that has caused at least 150,000 refugees to flee to S'audi Arabia and lead the the S'audis building a war between themselves and Yemen. There are also multiple occupations eg Turkey, Iran etc occupy 25 million Kurds in Kurdistan and Turkey recently used poison gas against the Kurds fighting for their independance;
www.spiegel.de...

Morroco brutally occupies a country called Western Sahara where 50% of citizens are literally living as slaves. Then we could get to the India Kashmir dispute. This is interesting because Pakistan was calved out of India at the same time as Israel by the British to create a state for one religion (Islam) just as Israel was created for Jews. It has lead to 10 times the number of casaulties but not many people ever say Pakistan should go back to the Indians. Double standards of course.

Arabs also occupy the Berbers and supress their langauage and culture in North Africa and the Copts are second class citizens (literally Dhimmis) in Egypt. About 500,000 Christians have fleed Iraq because they are attacked constantly by Islamists. Infact the only Christian community actually growing in the Middle East is....Israels.

The point is that many Americans are only aware of what they are fed by their media. Israel is not perfect but it has only ever fought wars with its neighbours due to their violence and failure to recognise it. It gave up the Sinai to Egypt (which contained oil and is bigger than Israel itself) for peace. It has also withdrawn from Gaza and Lebanon. Europeans and Americans are constantly attacking countries around the world, sometimes for good reasons and sometimes not, but to answer your question; America would eventually have to station troops in the Middle East even if there was no Israel because there are many many other wars going on that could lead to either a direct threat to the American Nation eg Iran, Libya, or to American interests in the region. The Turks invaded and occupied Europe (Greece, Serbia, Bulgaria etc) something like 70 times over 400 years before there was a modern Israel. The Arabs invaded and occupied Spain and got as far as France before there was a modern Israel. The Crusades were prior to Modern Israel. American (Western) culture is constantly at threat from Islamist expansionist Jihadis.

Interesting, good point, but those wars unfold unchecked for the time being.

reply to post by backinblack


That you are right about. From Egypt to the River Euphrates. How much land is that which they think they are entitled to? At the moment they are just securing the land they have.

reply to post by backinblack


That you are right about. From Egypt to the River Euphrates. How much land is that which they think they are entitled to? At the moment they are just securing the land they have.

reply to post by phatpackage


It was their territory first, the Israelis are the intruders.
Ill repeat whats already been said, take Israel out of the equation and the world would be a lot better off.

reply to post by Animatrix


Well Palestina has a long history of frequently changing hands and always harboring somebody somebody else wants out.

funny enough a lot of the palistinians are DECENDANTS of the original hebrews.
converted to christianity and islam aparently and actual semites too
so fo a kazarian to insult indignify, or kill them, would be antisemitism.

reply to post by Danbones


It is even more funnies if jew refer to arab as antisemites.