$11,000 fine, arrest possible for some who refuse airport scans and pat downs

Not sure if this is in the right place, if not mods please move. With all the furor over the TSA recently, this seemed like an important piece of news to share. What they are talking about now is madness. They are basically cutting off the big protest that people have planned by threatening to arrest or fine anyone that refuses the scan/grope at the airport.

The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) is warning that any would-be commercial airline passenger who enters an airport checkpoint and then refuses to undergo the method of inspection designated by TSA will not be allowed to fly and also will not be permitted to simply leave the airport.

That person will have to remain on the premises to be questioned by the TSA and possibly by local law enforcement. Anyone refusing faces fines up to $11,000 and possible arrest.

www.sun-sentinel.com...

If true it is really putting pressure onto go through those machines.

They sure do know all the tricks.

Yes, it's dreadful, I suppose.

I think that a new airline and airport with its own procedures should be created. Perhaps Michael Ryan will oblige.

It would involve no security checks whatsoever. No baggage checks, pat-downs, or other silly regulations. Seatbelts would not be needed, and you could walk around the plane when you like and harass the pilot with "are we there yet?" whenever you felt like. You could smoke to your hearts content, hand-guns would be allowed, along with anything else the passengers wanted to take. The airlines would not need to perform strict safety checks for the planes, and the pilots could fly whenever, wherever, and for however long they like or their superiors like.

It could be called Lib-Air.

I'll give it a miss, like, but I'm sure some would find it attractive. And it would provide me some lulz.

Originally posted by wisintel
Not sure if this is in the right place, if not mods please move. With all the furor over the TSA recently, this seemed like an important piece of news to share. What they are talking about now is madness. They are basically cutting off the big protest that people have planned by threatening to arrest or fine anyone that refuses the scan/grope at the airport.

The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) is warning that any would-be commercial airline passenger who enters an airport checkpoint and then refuses to undergo the method of inspection designated by TSA will not be allowed to fly and also will not be permitted to simply leave the airport.

That person will have to remain on the premises to be questioned by the TSA and possibly by local law enforcement. Anyone refusing faces fines up to $11,000 and possible arrest.

www.sun-sentinel.com...

edit on 20-11-2010 by wisintel because: fixed quote

Local law enforcement is the key to this. Just because a person refuse a search by a SECURITY GUARD not a LEO, is not a crime. How exactly are they going to detain a person against there will for refusing a check by a security guard? The TSA obviously has there heads in a dark hole. I just don't see how an illegal detainment, and this civil fine would hold up in court.

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I really can't see that ending well for the TSA..
Many are peeved at their actions..Especially on women and children..
Soon many will say enough is enough..

I can't wait to fly again. I'm not going to bathe for a week and ask for a pat down. I even think I'll be eating some beans before hand too. Go ahead "touch my junk".

If this is true it just shows how the government is wanting total control over the people. If someone wants to refuse a pat-down, it is their right to do so. If the TSA wants to refuse them the right to fly because of it, they should not be able to illegally detain them.

Come on people, this is not a communist country (yet). This is America. It seems as each day passes, they take more and more of our rights. It has gotten really bad since the Patriot Act was engaged. We are letting the terrorists win just by the governments fear.

If you give up liberty for safety, you deserve neither.

Why on earth would people still want to fly. I guess if there is no choice, they have to go through it, but to fine someone for coming to an airport on their own free will and refusing to be embarrassed in front of the masses waiting in line behind them..... is severely draconian. Soon there will be zero flights anywhere because of this and then you'll see a lot of parked jumbo jets... hypothetically of course.

That was really funny Melatonin

I think flying is becoming the new voyeurism. That's all who will be left in a year or so, standing in line. After that point we'll see TSA outfits becoming sleek and swank, and officials no older than thirty & in great shape being hired.

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Sounds good. I'm assuming most complaining are males, since when were males bothered by having people check out their 'packages'?

Perhaps if they went with your suggestion (

Originally posted by Nutter
I can't wait to fly again. I'm not going to bathe for a week and ask for a pat down. I even think I'll be eating some beans before hand too. Go ahead "touch my junk".

Her's a better, maybe more pungent, idea. You can buy butyric acid for about $25.00 for 100 milliliters. Butyric acid is about the most gag-inducing, "What the hell is that smell?", nauseating stuff on the planet. It is the chemical that gives vomit its stink. It is technically an acid because it is a proton donor but it is very weak, with a ph of 4.82, which is about the same as acetic acid, which is the stuff that gives vinegar its smell. So. it's really not extremely dangerous like sulfuric or hydrochloric acid But the stuff is so overpoweringly awful that a dog can detect it at 10 parts per billion. For humans, it's 10 parts per million. A couple of drops anywhere in the screening area will cause everyone to run, retching, for the outdoors. Prolonged exposure could cause irritation, but a drop or two on your shoes should dissuade anyone from getting within 20 feet of you.
The only commercial application I know of for the stuff is to scent carp bait. Yeah, carp, those wonderful bottomfeeders so treasured by their genetic cousins in the TSA. OH yeah, bring a plastic bag for the shoes and an extra pair to wear.

Originally posted by USpatriot
If this is true it just shows how the government is wanting total control over the people. If someone wants to refuse a pat-down, it is their right to do so. If the TSA wants to refuse them the right to fly because of it, they should not be able to illegally detain them.

Come on people, this is not a communist country (yet). This is America. It seems as each day passes, they take more and more of our rights. It has gotten really bad since the Patriot Act was engaged. We are letting the terrorists win just by the governments fear.

If you give up liberty for safety, you deserve neither.

Cultural Dictionary
fascism [( fash -iz-uhm)]
A system of government that flourished in Europe from the 1920s to the end of World War II. Germany under Adolf Hitler, Italy under Mussolini, and Spain under Franco were all fascist states. As a rule, fascist governments are dominated by a dictator, who usually possesses a magnetic personality, wears a showy uniform, and rallies his followers by mass parades; appeals to strident nationalism; and promotes suspicion or hatred of both foreigners and “impure” people within his own nation, such as the Jews in Germany. Although both communism and fascism are forms of totalitarianism, fascism does not demand state ownership of the means of production, nor is fascism committed to the achievement of economic equality. In theory, communism opposes the identification of government with a single charismatic leader (the “ cult of personality”), which is the cornerstone of fascism. Whereas communists are considered left-wing, fascists are usually described as right-wing. Note : Today, the term fascist is used loosely to refer to military dictatorships, as well as governments or individuals that profess racism and that act in an arbitrary, high-handed manner.

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It's almost starting to sound close to the above definition of fascism, in some ways. The people are losing their say in things that matter.

Not just with the TSA, but with many things that are coming to light, the way Americans are being treated by anyone with any authority. Or even by people who Think that they have authority. Rights and freedoms seem to be disappearing. Unless you're a corporation, and rich.



On the other hand, what do they do with the odd people that really enjoy the fondling/pat downs. The ones that try to slip back into the line for more

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I think we were almost there under Bush and while I am not a fan of Obama, I think if we are not careful, the Obama backlash could tidal wave a hitler like neocon personality into the white house and we could have that very same scenerio. In fact if you notice the word hitler and nazi are getting thrown around on television lately like the new catch phrases for the talking heads. This could be to desensitize the public to the terms and make them meaningless when we eventually have a real administration befitting the term.

The air lines them selfs will put a stop to the TSA mess when they start to lose enough money over this. I see a lot more travel by car and bus. Hey, a bus company could do an ad on this. "Come ride with us. No scanners or pat downs. Your junk is safe when you take the bus"

Originally posted by 4nsicphd
Her's a better, maybe more pungent, idea. You can buy butyric acid for about $25.00 for 100 milliliters.

Save your money and simply allow a stick of butter to go rancid. You will then get more than enough butyric acid to achieve your goal. However, I wouldn't recommend going this route since you will most definitely be spending quite a bit of time explaining things to people incapable of understanding you which will most likely have you spending at least one evening in the slammer.

If you are going to allow yourself to be groped, look the TSA agent in the eye and tell them that what s/he's going to do is the favorite part of your flight. Then do something along the lines of this:



If they think yelling "Opt-out" garners attention. I can assure you that you will be the star of the show!

Welcome to "1984" , how much more will the sheeple put up with ?

Soon it will be too late anyway, if its not already too late, and anyone with a debit card or credit card have been chipped , thats 90 percent north america.

Welcome to 1000 years of tyranny.....unless 2012 occurs and wipes out 90 percent of the world population......or some other major occurence...

Originally posted by Reevster
Welcome to "1984" , how much more will the sheeple put up with ?

Uh... I thought the sheeple were President Bush supporters. Last I checked, this new way of screening passengers was implemented under Obama.

Are you saying that sheeple support Obama also?

It's my opinion to just stop these searches and let people carry whatever they want onto the planes.

The only way we'll ever have "safety" in the skies is for about a dozen or so planes to be blown out of the skies. Then no one would want to fly and there would be no need for planes.

Welcome to America. It's a "damned" if you do and "damned" if you don't society.

I think someone on here posted that if you just play gay to the guy or girl touching you, they get all wierd and let you go. just a thought, I'd love to try it, but I don't like flying so I really dont fly unless its to hawaii.

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Next time I fly I'm just going to strip down to my underwear and walk through the metal detector. Just cut right to the chase and avoid the scanner and patdown. I might even go all the way and just get naked. I mean they couldn't arrest me for indecent exposure as their machine and groping constitutes illegally taking nude images of me and molestation.

I avoid going to the US at all costs as the police state is getting out of control. I don't appreciate being treated like a criminal just because I want to spend money in your country. Watch tourism plummet in the US.

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This is illegal.

The TSA agents involved should be thrown in a jail cell by real police whenever they try this crap