T.S.A. : Birth of A Monster, Coup Against American Rights, F.E.M.A. Started and D.A.R.P.A. Finished

reply to post by ProvehitoInAltum


I bet they are not used to people knowing the newer passports have R.F.I.D. chips.

That you knew told them you might have been someone important too.

And it makes me laugh because I bet they were wondering if they failed the test.

Everyone of the people who argued with me about the passport having the R.F.I.D. and that we will have them implanted soon enough, are not understanding that we take two steps forward, and one step back, in the security shuffle towards the ultimate end goal which is to become just another number in a faceless crowd through the cashless society.

Originally posted by Aziuno
TSA Strip Searched Boy in public

I don't know if you guys have seen this one yet...I just caught this one as someone posted it to my FaceBook, and now I am extremely pissed off. Now, I don't know the circumstances to this situation, but whatever the circumstances may be..this is appalling and there is NO excuse for it. They strip searched this CHILD (and I can't emphasize that word enough) in front of the WHOLE airport. I mean, seriously? Come on, America. This isn't right. Strip searching a child is bad enough, but to do it in front of at least 30 people is just downright criminal. When are the American sheeple going to wake the # up and realize that our civil rights and liberties are being stripped away from us one by one as the days go on? They have used 9/11 (and don't even get me started on that, that is a whole nother thread) as a scare tactic to make us believe that everything they are doing, all the rights they are taking away from us, is for our own good...and we let them do it. Congratulations on your win, "Terrorists".

edit on 21-11-2010 by Aziuno because: I fail at linking youtube videos

edit on 21-11-2010 by Aziuno because: I fail at linking youtube videos

I heard the horror story.

Makes you wonder what the Hell these people are up to.

I can see the lawsuits building into a class-action suit from sea to shining sea.

9/11 is a scare tactic.

Of course the terrorists are winning they reside in Washington D.C.

reply to post by Chett


How about a nationwide petition off of ATS?

I say off of ATS because of the terms and conditions.

It is strictly prohibited to recruit on ATS and I abide by them.

I agree outside the box thinking is needed just be careful.

reply to post by rusethorcain


Of course Lord of the Flies is a cautionary tale.

Without civilized society we have nothing but complete chaos.

This time however our civilized society is us citizens and not the Government.

reply to post by rusethorcain


I see the National ID as coming just before the R.F.I.D. chip through upgrading our current systems.

With our Drivers Licenses having credit card swipes on the backside it is one step closer.

It is happening in bits and pieces.

It is all about making as much money as these corporation can.

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

How stupid is this absurdity going to go before we demand these people to stop this nonsense?

This is nothing more than creating a frenzy through people being offended to create another monster.

Namely pushing the R.F.I.D. chip agenda upon unsuspecting citizens who will not fight it.

I know how the `controllers` are using `Problem-Reaction-Solution` to get people to accept things they otherwise wouldn`t, but I don`t understand how the frenzy over the TSA scanners connects to pushing the RFID chip on us.

I thought the RFID chip could only read identification & other personal information about a person, & that it can be remotely controlled, & thus turned off, if one is not `going with the program`, so to speak.

How is it able to scan someone`s body for airport security...am I missing something here?

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

Reply to post by rusethorcain

I see the National ID as coming just before the R.F.I.D. chip through upgrading our current systems.

With our Drivers Licenses having credit card swipes on the backside it is one step closer.

It is happening in bits and pieces.

It is all about making as much money as these corporation can.

I see these particular kinds of measures more for CONTROL, than for the money . . . not that they mind all the $$$$$ they do make of of it!

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
reply to post by ProvehitoInAltum

 

I bet they are not used to people knowing the newer passports have R.F.I.D. chips.

That you knew told them you might have been someone important too.

I have to chuckle because perhaps my intellegence and knowledge might convey that... but I'm pretty sure my black and red streaked mohawk would blow that out of the water. Was probably something more along the lines of "Who IS this anarchist?"

ETA: I really do wonder when the notion of those shock delivering bracelets is going to crop up again. We heard about it breifly what was it? Two years ago? Then all talk of them seemed to dissapear. I wouldn't be surprised if that is a next step.

I need to feel safe, I also need to feel respected, I need to feel appreciated as a customer as well.
The airline needs to do business, they need to make a profit, they need to provide safe travel.

Looks like we've got at a minimum, 6 basic needs that should be met.
Lets see if we, (the airlines and the customers) can do, through a cooperative effort, our combined best at providing these 6 basic needs.

1-Security clearances and background checks on all employees.
2-Access restrictions to areas by employee groupings.
3-Baggage inspection, thorough xray and sniffer inspections of all baggage, all baggage checked, no carryons.
4-Highly Qualified mechanics and techs, recertification yearly, continual training.
5-Elevated level of parts upgrades and replacements.
6-Locked cockpits, absolutely no access by cabin staff available, no exit by flight crew by a minimum of 10 minutes before leaving boarding area.
7-Trained and Armed flight crew.
8-Air Marshall (or private security) on each flight.
9-Passenger passes through metal detector and sniffer.
10-Passengers seat belts to be secured before leaving boarding area, seat belts are to be thoroughly and individually inspected before leaving boarding area, passenger seat belts are to remain locked through entire flight, passenger seat belts are only able to be released by staff at seat belt unlocking station, passenger seat belts are individually controlled.

Has our need for mutual safety been met?
With the 'built in' issues there will of course always be a chance of electrical or mechanical failure, but with elevated maintainence schedules and parts upgrades and replacements that occurance can be narrowed.
With 'built on' safety issues, we've eliminated items to access in the cabin, all bags are checked, we've employed state of the art metal detectors and explosive sniffing devices, we've secured our passengers comfortably for the entire flight with individually electronic controlled seat belts, (simply push the call button and an attendant will visit you, if you need access to the restroom, one passenger at a time can roam freely, OR one is directed forward and one aft)
We also have an armed air marshall or security person on board, and finally we have a secure cockpit with no access allowed from tarmac to tarmac.

No one has been touched, no one has been discriminated against, no one has been disrespected,
no one has been xrayed, no one has been treated as anything other than a passenger, a customer.

If we need extremes, and in some cases we do, and we will never know in which case that is,
if we need extremes, are these posted here sufficient?
Would these be effective, tolerable, and acceptable by the standards that both parties needs demand.
I personally believe yes.

reply to post by momoney


Sure you let me know when your the majority, the moronic other side that doesn't see the potential dangers THIS WILL STOP. It's up to the management to make sure it all stays clean, like in any profession. If you have that big of a problem with this... easy solution, don't FLY! Again sexual harassment can happen anywhere and thanks for acting like I condone it as well, your a real class act of a moron. My point is sexual harassment could happen at any place, anytime, anywhere, the only way to make that not happen don't let anyone touch anyone else or it's a crime... I love the arguement from your side anyway cause you know what it's goona go NO WHERE. WHY? Because a terrorist act in this country is more important to stop, THEN SOMEONE WHO'S EMBARESSED TO HAVE THEMSELVES SEARCHED OR WHO CRYS WOLF WHEN SOMEONE ACCIDENTLY FLICKS YOUR DINKY! END OF STORY!

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
reply to post by rusethorcain

 

Of course Lord of the Flies is a cautionary tale.

Without civilized society we have nothing but complete chaos.

Civilized society is not yet autonomous. It cannot function without leadership.
This in itself should remind us we are often oblivious to integrity and honor in leadership and as a result we end up being hearded and fleeced instead of lead toward the true peace and prosperity we deserve.
Instead we are led as hapless sheep and helpless "victims" of men like Jack.
Even knowing this we seldom strive for exceptional leadership or the peace and prosperity promised under more reasonable, peaceable men, like Ralph.
We cannot rise above the thrill of the chase, and instead of kill the prey, understand it is barbaric and let it go. We get caught up in the mob mentality and before we know what happened we are licking our chops, the deed is done. Decent men like Ralph, buried underfoot..and footnotes.

Men can and will lose their civility, their sanity and their humanity if the right circumstances are present and if the voices of sanity and reason are silenced or removed.

The most important element of the Lord of the Flies tale is the last part of this sentence.
and if the voices of sanity and reason are silenced or removed.
This is why great leaders are killed.

Mother hens are killed off before predators can go after the chicks.

This should be all the evidence/proof we need of a diabolical master plan.

It creates order (sells us crap we don't need) through the chaos (we are afraid for our lives)

Nobody is going to support a standing Army and all that entails if we don't perceive a threat.

The battle cry for the American Revolution was (Do Not Tread On Me) and maybe the protest slogan should be (Do Not Scan On Me) in order not to be scanned, touched inappropriately and X-rayed at our Nations airports. ^Y^

reply to post by NoJoker13

My point is sexual harassment could happen at any place, anytime, anywhere, the only way to make that not happen

...is to go for the jugular. A class action lawsuit with punitive damages.

Or you can roll over, bend over, squat, cough, swallow and/or accept whatever you are forced to do without putting up any kind of a fight.

That is the good old American way!

Or is it?

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


All this is very interesting and of course very sinister but then we can probably look at any complex situation and find 'sinister.' Yawn... I tend to look at the bigger tapestry of events. We are where we are today for a reason and that reason isn't very sinister because it is visible for anyone who bothers to take the time and effort to read history. Where to begin? Perhaps a good place to start is the breakdown in collective responsibility to each other. The right sold middle class whites on the idea that their tax dollars were going to pay for (black) welfare mothers and deadbeat (black) men. Hell, everyone knows whites are all hardworking and would never ever be lazy...right. So, let's pick on thee poor. And when that didn't quite get the right enough power they used the issue of morality...yes sir, we all know those socio-communistic godless liberals have no morals and Christians had to take up God's banner...fight queers, fight against abortion, everyone knows the Founder's were all born again Christians...We could say that our present abysmal state began in 1980 when the right told people that the left was the enemy and greed was good, everyone go out, buy Ayn Rand and think greed and skewer a liberal for fun.

But really, we have to go back a generation before 1980 to 1948 when the right sold almost everyone that there was a Communist under every bed and by golly we needed a counterweight to the KGB. Why not take OSS, a WWII military run intelligence agency and make it civilian and give it civilian *laughs* oversight. And while we're at it, let's mitigate inter-service rivalries that were party the cause of Pearl Harbor and create the Joint Chiefs of State. And, well, everyone knows that Americans hate war so let's take the Departments of War, Army, and Navy, and, roll them into the Orwellian-sounding Department of Defense. Then let's set up a National Security Council to 'advise' the president on security matters. Within 12 years, Eisenhower was so wigged out by this over-bearing and fascist apparatus, and, by the corporations that jumped to meet our 'security' needs, he felt completely betrayed by the very people with whom he had proudly served all his adult life. This led him to warn Americans of the dangers of a military industrial complex. Lovely words that were forgotten as soon as he said them.

The TSA and Homeland Security...these agencies didn't materialize out of thin air and they weren't a direct outgrowth of 9/11. They had their beginnings 50 years ago and for 50 years, little by little, to borrow John Updike's description of the meat packing industry, an Octopus of a national security-military industrial mega-complex formed. Vietnam was a test case for this monster and they learned that war is good but before they played war in the future some significant changes had to be made. War makes corporations involved in 'The Complex' a great deal of money, and, as anyone paying attention to our economic circumstance will understand the more money these corporations get, the more they want and enough is never enough. Citizens got in the way of profits in the 1960s...some nerve people protesting about being sent to the slaughter! Professional military is just the thing! Just ask Erik Prince of Blackwater, er, Xe Corporation. The draft made war invisible to the great majority of Americans...those in uniform can't complain because they signed up for the slaughter.

The only industry with as much clout and power as the national security-military industrial complex is Wall Street, its banks, and financial entities but if one examines them carefully, one will discover that most companies involved with national security and the military are largely controlled by Wall Street--just take a look at any publicly traded company see who control the majority of stock. It isn't your neighbor down the street. Now for fun, take a look at who pays for political campaigns. We have what mosquito abatement specialists call a vector. While the typical American thought s/he was behaving as a patriotic American by exercising their God-given right to be greedy, the people who admonished Americans that greed is good, that being a good neighbor is bad; that corporations are naturally much more interested in the public's welfare than their elected government--just ask Ruppert Murdock--these icons of American capitalism picked the gold and silver fillings out of the American electorate's eye teeth without anyone noticing it. But hell, what's a few fillings right? And while they were at it, they decided to take your wallet, your 401K, your banking balances, and what was left of your career. But what the heck...keep whining about government. Government is our doom...right.

Really, I have to laugh. People are stressing about TSA body scans and pat downs. Whew. Give me a break. Do you people understand the concept of being shafted? Screwed? Up s**t's creek? The least of our collective problem is TSA...it's merely the tip of a very very very very very large stiletto that is slowly being pushed under our collected national rib cage. Corporations people not TSA, are the problem. We have a national security 'problem' because American corporations have been robbing the under-developed world for half a century and these nations realize that they don't have to take it. Corporations that have been picking our teeth and wallets for a couple of decades and if that wasn't enough they thought it would be swell to redefine the national interest: Today, the national interest is defined by American corporate interests. Whenever a government from some third world hole in the ground decides that American corporations need to pay for raping natural resources and exploiting (mostly non-white) citizenry, our red, white, and blue corporate entities pick up their telephone and request that our government get rid of uncooperative third world governments (ever hear of Salvador Allende--we killed him in 1973). Who rode to the corporate rescue? Not the cavalry but CIA or NSA, or, in some instances the Pentagon does it blatantly. For some 30+ years our military has served as muscle for American corporations and as long as we were able to buy cheap gas and bananas at $0.19/pound all's well.

My point dear people is that we're getting exactly what we deserve only it's taken longer than any rational person who has been following the matter had a right to expect. We have a TSA and a Homeland Security Agency because those third world countries we've treated like crap for decades have decided that it's time for payback. You want to end TSA and Homeland Security be prepared to make serious sacrifices...like giving up our uber materialistic sense of entitlement at the expense of the rest of the world. It starts by everyone recognizing that we have a TSA for a reason and that reason begins with corporate greed, that is in part feed by consumer greed. I'm sick to death of hearting people jump up and down crying the sky is falling. No damnit! The sky has caved in. And we, you and I, helped dig out the footings that provided the foundation that made American society great. That foundation wasn't corporate America. The foundation was representative government elected by a society that recognized it's collective responsibilities to each other. Until we recognize that we all have responsibilities for each other and that Americans have responsibilities to the world as a whole, I'm honestly not sure that what's left of the US is worth saving.

Not to derail this provocative discussion but...

I read on nytimes.com yesterday about the CIA Kryptos sculpture at CIA HQ, of which the 4th part has yet to be decoded, but the artist did reveal a 6-letter clue of the final 97-character message: BERLIN

"Clues to stubborn secret is C.I.A.'s backyard"

Never knew of this sculpture until now, yet it has been around since 1990, and was in planning since the mid-80's...

Again, just an observation, but perhaps another puzzle-piece...."history repeats itself", as they say, but maybe that's because none of our greedy-rich can brave a future apart from their materially vapid existence...

reply to post by smthngmssnghr


I feel I'm no better than the greedy-rich capitalist in some respect, so that last bit was a little hypocritical...

Trying to democratize myself here, sorry about that....

reply to post by B.Morrison


I am working on leaving enough out for others to comment on but I'm not used to that.

To me that is being less than I am by working at a slower pace which is odd as Hell.

I see an objective and I am off to conquer it without any help from anyone.

I'm just used to working solo, ATS, after 5 years, is still new to me.

31 years of being a conspiracy theorist, since I was age 6, now 37, will do that to you.

I have nothing against Government, in general, it is however when they overstep their bounds.

This is when I have a problem.

When our rights are violated.

While I can certainly see where you have a valid point about my being too hard on people I just do not give a damn anymore, because I am tired of people slacking off, and letting this crap happen, and my patience runs thin with others sitting on the sidelines not doing a damn thing to actually keep our rights safeguarded from oppressive corporate agendas which play at security and do nothing about it in reality, other than potentially give cancer and grope people.

It is in fact all inter-related and tied together because that is how the system works.

Do you honestly think anyone will actually try to do something legally and non-violent?

Not even 1% of ATS is willing to do that.

I would check into changing laws in Australia outside of the lawyers.

Lawyer's lie, no matter the culture, they are paid to lie.

Lawyer's are also looking to keep people in the dark so they can make money.

Never forget that.

Here in America it does not take being a politician to make a law.

It takes an incident, like 9/11, or enough petitions signed, or even rallies, or Presidential order.

Getting off the grid is not the answer unfortunately.

So many ATS members believe getting their Bug Out Bag is the answer.

That is the cowardly route to avoid personal responsibility to changing the laws.

Just because people do not believe they cannot change these laws does not make it true.

If we as a community were to work together?

We can force these issues to change.

It takes personal responsibility, first, it takes research, second, it takes working together, third.

And it will not happen overnight either.

reply to post by HongPong


The video is interesting.

It seems fake though.

Like an Alex Jones production.

I work hard to expose lies of Government.

Just as well I expect no lies about Government.

reply to post by anubisone


First picture is similar to what will go into Law Enforcement utility belts.

Second picture is used in convenience stores to scan items on inventory.

Third picture is store a theft deterrent tag.

All of them of of course are a part of the larger picture.

reply to post by thegoodearth


Thank you.

The problem stems from the bio-chip being pushed from all directions.

It is not just T.S.A., but through legislation in the Real ID Act, Healthcare Reform.

As well as many corporations are behind it as well.

Quote from : Destron Fearing Website

Destron Fearing is a global leader in innovative animal identification.

With presence in over 40 countries worldwide we seek to provide real world ID solutions to match the ever increasing complexity and opportunities related to animal identification.

Since 1945 we have provided innovative products addressing the needs of livestock producers, companion animal owners, horse owners, wildlife managers and government agencies.

Destron Fearing provides a full complement of radio frequency identification products and software solutions to automate the collection of critical livestock production and carcass information.

Individual and herd information can then be easily transferred between all parties involved in the production and retail of meat products.

Information sharing allows the food industry to meet the discriminating demands of the market place.

Corporations like Destron Fearing have been working on this since 1945.

reply to post by B.Morrison


The C.I.A. throws around money like it was water in a glass.

I am very familiar with Operation Paperclip, MK-ULTRA and Bluebird.

All of that started in Manchuria, China, spread to Russia, and the U.S.

The typical stupidity in recreating other people's work during the Cold War.

All for what?

Deniability.

To create a human robot that will not remember it was given orders to do something dastardly.

It's a shame that evil people do evil things through cut-outs.