TSA, does it have the right?

Originally posted by Death_Kron
reply to post by Exuberant1

 

So you admit that pat downs are not perverse behaviour?

If that's the case then where exactly does your problem lie?

Why are you pretending I've admitted to things I haven't?

Surely you realize that what you are doing is dishonest.

Do you even want people to take you seriously?

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by Death_Kron

 

It's not just a pat down. You need to go try this out for yourself. It's punishment for not going through scanners that rob your of your privacy and possibly endanger your health.

Then go through the scanners....?

reply to post by Exuberant1


You haven't answered my question, if pat downs aren't a problem to you then what is ?

reply to post by bekod


I agree with you and as much as I love to fly and now have the money, I will walk, ride a bus, a train or tricycle before flying.

However, and this is a big HOWEVER, once this is allowed through the airports what makes you think this will stop there?

It won't stop unless enough people protest it................this is only the beginning.

The body scanners will continue onto the bus depots, the train stations, all our public buildings, it will progress like cancer slowly eating away at our rights to privacy and dignity.

Also, I suspect it's another ploy to corral the sheeple, to make it so uncomfortable to travel that some will remain closer to home...........easier to control and track.

The body scanners are a major conspiracy against humanity and I predict not enough people will unite and rebel against it, things will progress.

People should have been up in arms and marching on Washington when the cameras on every street corner popped up, but we allowed that like in the Orwen novel, "1984".

You haven't seen nothing yet. I guarantee this type of assault against our privacy is just another brick in the wall that is building the New World Order.

And that wall continues to get higher and higher.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow

Originally posted by Death_Kron
reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

 

Is your reply with sarcastic humour an indication that I have a point and you don't have an answer for it?

No.. it wasn't actually.
I made my case. They don't have to touch you like that to determine whether or not you have a bomb.
There are other avenues to explore. Also, what is there reason for this nonsense? Where is the real threat?

I have no problem with being searched at an airport. I would even welcome a full cavity search if it was necessary.
People can hide things in very weird places and crevices. Without a full search, who knows what the guy next to you smuggled into the plane between his butt cheeks?
I believe these guys are just doing their job, and it is getting blown out of proportion on this thread.

VvV

reply to post by jfj123


demandprogress.org...

reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep


You wouldn't accept a cavity search. I guarantee it. If you would you have lost your mind. They have no right, don't you people get this?! You are not criminals, you are not terrorists.

reply to post by Death_Kron


OK.. you obviously didn't get why you wouldn't go through the scanners though i clearly stated it. You are either a fool or a troll (same diff really) and I'm done. You won't go far in this life letting people control you and walk all over you. Have fun being stepped on and debased.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep

 

You wouldn't accept a cavity search. I guarantee it. If you would you have lost your mind. They have no right, don't you people get this?! You are not criminals, you are not terrorists.

Actually i would accept a cavity search, if it is needed. It can't be worse than a rectal exam.

Of course we are not criminals, but how do they know? Because we say so. In todays world your word just is not good enough anymore. They do it for airline safety. I cannot see anything wrong with these searches.
They are doing their job. That is all.

If i have to be searched, so be it. I will not complain, they are just doing what needs to be done, to ensure a safer enviroment for everyone.

Vvv

Well doesn't this all kind of cut to the quick here and leave us in a bit of a quandary?

On the one hand if a plane gets blown out of the sky Americans will be lined up, screaming that the government should have done something to protect us from those evil, evil, Islamic terrorists. We would stand in outrage that such a thing was allowed to happen and hundreds of threads would rapidly spawn to voice our distaste.

On the other hand when protections are offered what happens? Well, of course, thousands of people come out of the woodwork, quoting Benjamin Franklin and ranting that freedom, as we know it, is dead. Insisting that the ultimate trespass has been perpetrated upon us and that we aren't going to tolerate it.

And, of course, the reality is that it doesn't matter which way things work out. If planes fall from the sky we'd all be here insisting that we'd have gladly put up with more intrusive security measures. And the fact is that, since those steps to protect us are being taken, people are here doing the opposite... Saying that the security is unnecessary and extreme.

The only real truth demonstrable here is this: We, as a people, will complain no matter what happens.

~Heff

Originally posted by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep
Actually i would accept a cavity search, if it is needed.

I don't believe you.

0/10

All you have to do to stop this is carry a waiver with you into the airport and get them to sign it before the screening. The TSA screener is a gov. employee and is not subject to being sued. Ask them if they will sign away that right for your 4th ammen. right. In this case it would open the screener (personally) and the government to a lawsuit. They operate under the color of law so make them stick to the law.
It is a matter of put up or shut up.
They can search all the old ladies, kids and nuns they want but it will not make you any safer. Good old fashion police work and profiling will do the trick.
Like I told airport security about a year ago. "Search anybody who looks like me that is getting on this plane"
I fit the profile and I will take the searching so that the system is safer..
tI really is that simple

Originally posted by Exuberant1

Originally posted by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep
Actually i would accept a cavity search, if it is needed.

I don't believe you.

0/10

How many times must I say this. Yes i would accept a cavity search. There is far worse things that can be done to you to make you uncomfortable than this. So yes, bring on the cavity search.

The thread, however, is not about me accepting a cavity search or not.
I will say it again: Some people are blowing the issue out of proportion. It is almost like this is the new fad, to support now. There is always some new "thing" that is wrong in the eyes of a couple of people, and then they heavily protest it, a couple of months later, everyone forgot about it. And nothing came of the protests either.

That is exactly what is happenning here.

Why be upset about this? If nobody has anything to hide, why be so suspicious and fussy about it?

As for the rating that you gave me? What is that? Do you go around rating posts now?

Absurd. I would prefer sticking to the topic please.

Vvv

reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep


Do you believe that anyone selected by the TSA should have a cavity search?

Who should be excluded from cavity searches?

Originally posted by Exuberant1
reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep

 

Do you believe that anyone selected by the TSA should have a cavity search?

Who should be excluded from cavity searches?

Yes, again if they feel it is necessary yes, bring out the white gloves and search. Why is this even an issue?
I am not shy, and i have nothing to hide, so they can do it. And why would other people have a problem with it?

As for who should be excluded. The only people that should be excluded, should be the really frail elderly, kids under 18. But look man, its not like they give EVERY person a cavity search anyway. So a patdown and search on EVERYONE is fine.

VvV

reply to post by ofhumandescent
you see, you see!!!!

this is my point , how fare will we let our freedoms die for the name of freedom.

Originally posted by bekod
reply to post by ofhumandescent

 

you see, you see!!!!

this is my point , how fare will we let our freedoms die for the name of freedom.

You have no "point", like the majority of people who support your OP your simply blowing something way out of proportion and enjoy complaining about it. Get a hobby or something...

reply to post by Lemon.Fresh
search and seizure, in other words we are all guilty of hiding something, until searched, or put through a X-ray.

reply to post by Death_Kron
am i ??? do you know that there are ;laws ready to go into effect that will kill sites like this make it so if you protest any act of detainment it will be considered a act of a combatant, we all know what that gets one way trip to "git mo" When a power says it has the right when in fact it does not it is time to stand up and say "do not think so" now they are getting the message, in today's news, TSA is looking at a Xray that is less showing, and at other less intrusive searching, it is still a fine line between the 4th freedom and intrusion of ones rights.

reply to post by Death_Kron


Death Kron I beg to differ, the manner in which security is being portrayed is frightening. It's belittling and absurd. They are not keeping anyone safe. In fact the pat down measure and the Scanners have been proven ineffective. The scanners have actually been shown to violate TSA's own privacy laws and not mention pose major health risks. The point is that we live in a country where your right to be secure in your person is essential to our freedoms. The fact that our government is using bully tactics to make people submit to this is where people are up in arms about it. It's not as simple as if you're not comfortable don't fly. They don't tell you that you're even going to be subjected to this at all until you're at the security check and you can't leave once you're in or you'll be fined $10k. The power trips, the unprofessional attitude of EVERY DHS agent involved, and the lack of respect for American's basic Bill of Rights is what is deplorable. What's even more is that there are American's like you who roll over and take it. Since 1990 congress has been slowly, methodically wittling away at our freedoms. I for one am sick and tired of it and the next bill that is approved which violates or infringes on any freedoms I have will be the straw that broke the camels back. Be prepared for civil unrest.