Is there a Good NWO?

Is there a good side that's is competing against the bad guys for a new world order?

Could there be a group moving behind the scenes attempting to create paradise on Earth for everybody?

Is there a ying and a yang in the NWO reality?

We always hear about the evil bankers and corporations and governments with there Global goals of world conquest and domination, but what would a good nwo [if even possible?] groups look like or be?

Yes that would be God and his heavenly court. Also the countless martyrs and saints.

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Good subject to post on. I've often thought of this myself. Since the world seems to work on the premise of duality, it would make sense that this would be the case. Unfortunately, I haven't seen any proof to support there being a powerful group hidden by the veil of secrecy that is out for humanities best interest.

It'll be interesting to see where this post goes.

My first thought is of Star Trek, and IMHO that would be the only way.

No money. People work and do things only to better society.

It would help if we had those cool matter replicators "earl grey...hot!!"

What we need is a "Dream Team", composed of people that are willing to sacrifica everything to save the human race. One thing that came to mind was "Infiltrate & Destroy", meaning exactly whatt you think it does. Would it seem insane to do what thousands of Jews did in the final Solution? Submit to the NWO ( sacrificing most of your lberties) and then create a team of loyal soldiers from the outside-in to destroy the NO from the inside-out. I think that is what the Good NWO would be, a group of members in the NWO to take it down like Operation: Valkyrie.

A few years back, when i first woke up...and started posting on Alex Jones's site, i made a comment regarding why the NWO had to go about establishing a New World Order, in such a vial and ruthless way (para-phrasing). I said something on the lines of being for a new world order, without all the lies, deceptions, senseless killings, etc...

Well, interestingly enough...SOMEONE responded to me...and he/she and i had it out....in a pretty lengthy blog conversation. I, of course, was for LIBERTY FOR ALL....and ironically...this person somehow really seemed to convince me, that he/she knew something. The way our conversation went, gave me a feeling like he/she was an insider to the NWO. It was like they were working on the site, or something...maybe a shill...but they knew.

Well, the one thing this person blogged me, in response was the fact that there WAS an elite group, that was also TIRED of the same things i was talking about. This person said, there was a power struggle going on between 2 elite groups. One group was the old school group...like Rockafeller and co. but this other group...was a NEW BREED of NWO elite. This group wanted a NWO...but, they wanted it without the slaughtering and stuff.

This person CONVINCED ME, and that's not easy to do, that change was going to be made, and the old way of going about things was about to come to an end. This person was persistant in saying, "Be patient".

Now, you can take this conversation that i had with this person, how ever you see fit. I have no reason or M.O. to make up such a story, nor do i have the time to waste on BS.

I, personally believe that MAYBE there IS a good NWO. That, MAYBE the only reason WHY the rest of the world can't share in all of earth's goodness is because of this old school group of elitists/ who dont think too highly of us; and who would delight in seeing the end to us, "useless eaters".

Unfortunately, I think Americans need to be broken and accept the fact that Home Depot, Office Depot, Mickey D's, and the rest of Corporate America has expanded their tents, globally. And the only reason why jobs are leaving there is because Americans are too damn expensive. Why would i, as a business owner, want to pay $20.00 p/h to someone, when i can pay $20.00 p/week to someone, for the same service?

It's nothing personal, people....JUS' BUSINESS! The system is resetting itself...globally...that's why A) the minimum wage (so to speak) in the world is like $10 a day (round figure), and B) why so much energy is spent on breaking America's economy. Once the system resets in the States, Americans will be making the same amount of money as the China man workin' in a sweat shop.

I have often thought about this topic as well. In my travels I have come across people who make this claim. There are really two different arguments involving this issue. One is that there are power struggles within the elite class over how to rule, and whether a mass extinction is needed. The other is that higher powers which I cannot comprehend are guiding all that occurs. That these gods, angels, aliens, or whomever else, watches and guides humanity. The part of this argument that my mind cannot accept is that maybe large amounts of death must occur for mankind as a whole to reach higher consciousness. If life is immortal, and this body is only one of many we reside in over countless years the idea of a human life becomes different. The thinking goes that our bodies are like cars that we trade in after we have used them to satisfy our needs. When we have completed what a higher power has deemed we needed to do in this life we move on. The body is only a minuscule part of our eternal existence. I know someone will probably say that this is new age nwo propaganda.There is a fifty fifty chance that this is how the universe is.

There's one thing I don't understand about this whole 'NWO' thing. I should point out that I don't believe in it anyway, but even if it was all true, would it actually be so bad? The main aim is a massive depopulation of the human race, correct? Why would that be a bad thing exactly? Most of the world's problems are caused by overpopulation in the first place. For thousands and thousands of years, the Earth's population is believed to have hovered just under the 1 billion. Since it stayed roughly the same for so long, we can postulate that it's the natural number the human race should be at and the number of people which the Earth can sustain. Over the last 600 years, the Earth's population has increased to 6.7 billion. Massive increase obviously and thus we have the following problems.

Fresh water shortages.
Food shortages.
Poverty.
Loss of arable land.
Depletion of natural resources.
Global warming.
High crime rate.
Increased risk of infectious disease.
Deforestation.
Ecological damage.

The World's population is expected to be at around 10.5 billion by 2050. The World's oil reserves will be almost completely gone by that time. 10.5 billion people with little transport, electricity, heating, and because all economies are oil driven, few jobs. If the population continues to increase, the World will be an awful place. To me, a population decrease is a welcome thought. Obviously I'm not advocating the murder of billions. However, over time, a gradual reduction could be achieved with ease through reproduction guidelines and rules such as the Chinese have implemented (One child policy). As I said, I don't believe in the NWO or it's agendas, but this is certainly one aspect that would be no harm at all. I mean, people say the NWO's main aim is depopulation, and yet they also say the 'Elite' are flooding society with mass media (sexualised popular music, pornography etc) designed to oversexualise the youth of the population, which would in fact, only serve to increase the population even further. So which is it? I believe it's all paranoid nonsense, personally. Anyway, just a few thoughts.

Yes there is yin and yang or you may call it good and evil.

There is no middle ground. You are either good or evil.

You can't say you'll only steal a few times and or kill a few people and be good.

Just as you can't be in church every time the doors are open for service and still cheat your fellow man.

There are no gray areas.

A new world order will be in place when the battle of good and evil has come to an end.

Eventually good will win over evil.

It will be a new world order of peace.

I won't see it in my lifetime.

There will be much universal suffering to come before the battle is over.

But it surely will be a victory for good.

Well if there were an NWO (which there isn't), I would say they wouldn't necessarily be bad. A one world government does have its advantages you know. Picture the Middle East as prime real estate with adequate security! You can't, can you!? A beautiful view of the Tigris without the terrorists!

Originally posted by Evanescence
Well if there were an NWO (which there isn't),

Several US presidents don't agree with you, and neither do I.

I would say they wouldn't necessarily be bad.

This is my point I have a feeling there are several groups attempting to create a one world government. Generally speaking they are always shown in a negative light for good reason. If the dominating group was good you would think they would use resources for the betterment of all people and not just the bottomline. They could take steps to feed all the starving people in the world. Currently this will not happen simply because there is no profit.

I wonder if its possible to have a one world government [NWO] where profit is the number one factor in all decisions, and it be good?

Under our current system once good jobs in the US has been exported to India, the Indian government is starting to respond to the corporation that are taking advantage of it's citizens by passing laws that protect and force these corporations to pay higher wages, the corporations are responding by moving there operations to the Philippines......

A one world government does have its advantages you know. Picture the Middle East as prime real estate with adequate security! You can't, can you!? A beautiful view of the Tigris without the terrorists!

So everyone living in the Middle East or just around the Tigris today is a terrorist? What are you suggesting here?

Originally posted by LDragonFire
Is there a good side that's is competing against the bad guys for a new world order?

Could there be a group moving behind the scenes attempting to create paradise on Earth for everybody?

Is there a ying and a yang in the NWO reality?

We always hear about the evil bankers and corporations and governments with there Global goals of world conquest and domination, but what would a good nwo [if even possible?] groups look like or be?

Well, the truth of the matter is this: We do have to eventually come together as a world people instead of Nation States at war with each other. How can we, as a people, look to the Stars if we are still at killing each other? Does anyone think for a second that the other planets in the Galaxy want us to visit them, and learn their ways? Tell me, what does man do when he finds a new country untouched by man before? I'll tell you what he does, in the name of God he takes it away from anyone living there, (ask any Indian) kills everyone who opposes him, and some that do not oppose, burns all history of the people there because it does not fit with his belief. (Mayan. Aztec)

We are a World of people. What we need is a World Council to govern all of us, and not the United Nations, (Nazis) or the New World Order.(master/slave mentality) First, we need to stop the killing, and destroy the weapons of mass destruction. Once that is done, we can then talk of a world government.

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Acronym NWO usually refers to the organization that seeks the world domination by force and war.

NWO as such will fail. However there is a movement (or certain movements in fact) that seeks (or advocates) )the union of nations through consent and peace. I reprsent one such movement, as briefly mentioned in another intoduction thread.

/Fish

This good order of the world exists, and it has existed all along. It consists of people that are awakened to the truth of the things happening all around us and are disgusted by it.

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My opinion exactly. An NWO is not such a bad concept, in fact it is the only way to ensure peace. I cannot imagine space exploration without some type of world structure in place. We all have the same needs, what is holding us back though is some peoples greed and power control issues. They like manipulating things and having unfair rules in place to take advantage of people. It works for them, but the average person suffers from it.

Yes to an NWO but not to be ran in any way shape or form by current world leaders and not in the same style either.

i dont thier is a good NWO..not form what our leaders have demonstrated to us. its all about who steels the most money from the taxpayer, being part of the upper1% being power as well, heirchy* control over your freedoms telling you what you cana nd cant do anymore.
Since our freedoms to persue happiness, have a happy living and a dream are pretty much gone* no thanks to wall street and CEO's being in congress...their is no good NWO. they will simply create loophole laws, to make sure we cannot fight back if harmed. lied to as well, including pulling a sheet over our head, behind our backs so we dont know whats going on. injsutice as well. maybe, if someone just like JFK or roosevelt was around yeah maybe...or even Eisenhower. but we dont have leaders like that anymore...thier all yes we will do as you tell me puppets* garbage in garbage out.

I have wondered this myself and being still under my 20 posts i couldnt start a thread about it. I do believe that there are opposing sides of the NWO but it seems that the "good" side seems to be keeping themselves either well hidden or are still forming up officially

Originally posted by dizziedame
Yes there is yin and yang or you may call it good and evil.

There is no middle ground. You are either good or evil.

You can't say you'll only steal a few times and or kill a few people and be good.

Just as you can't be in church every time the doors are open for service and still cheat your fellow man.

There are no gray areas.

I could not disagree more.

The universe is all shades of grey. I'd me more inclined to say there is no black and white, or that black and white are ideals which can only be approximated.

If it were all black and white, I would already be irredeemably evil. It would be too late for me. Call it emotional bias if you will but I refuse to believe that.

Originally posted by LDragonFire
Is there a good side that's is competing against the bad guys for a new world order?

Could there be a group moving behind the scenes attempting to create paradise on Earth for everybody?

Well I'm doing that with neo-tribalism.
got a brochure and book..

Is there a ying and a yang in the NWO reality?

We always hear about the evil bankers and corporations and governments with there Global goals of world conquest and domination, but what would a good nwo [if even possible?] groups look like or be?

well micronations are such groups, seasteading is an example of a viable possibility.
Also intentional-communities are the land-based solution. ic.org...

there is even a youtube video show called peakmoment,
which does half hour segments on permaculture and many intentional-community related things.
here is an example video:
www.youtube.com...

Also probably one of the best examples of such a group,
is Open Farm Tech here is an intro video:

openfarmtech.org...





so basically these tribes or "viral villages",
are like atoms or biological-cells,
they can reproduce themselves,
defend themselves and all the rest.

it's kinda like the implosion of the large stars,
that later formed our galaxies of many stars,
all a holographic projection of the parent.
we with you are made of atoms formed in stars.