USA Strikes China ?

The Chinese said that the occupants were mostly retired school teachers, and that it was started by welders.

Reports: Welders start deadly China high-rise fire

I get being paranoid in this climate man, but do just a little research first and it may save you some grief.

some of you guys really see a bit to much in everything what is going on !
whats next ? everytime there is a car crash in the US it is a chinese kamikaze driver ?

Chinese didnt fire any missile at or near the US and the US did also not flame up a building !
i have no proof for that, but sometimes common logic thinking might just work out perfectly

There is a lot of going on between the US and China.

Possible missile's (not 100% proven it was a missile,but also not 100 % it wasnt
Sub popping up in a fleet (question for that is why?)

Trading with China was canceled etc etc etc

All this can be seen as a provocation to one and other,and that all it is so far in my opinion showing eachothers capability's,but for this thread i'am absolutly sure that the US did NOT set that scaffolding on fire in one way or another.

Let's all hope that the so called leaders from those country's come to there sentence,and come with a more peacefull solution.

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That's like saying the guy behind the counter at starbucks is responsible for assault because you spilled the coffee on yourself.
Wow, that makes more sense of the US/China relationship then I thought it would.

reply to post by purplemonkeydishwasher


Almost all theories are "entirely possible." That's the point of a theory.

So I went to eat some cereal last night, and the gallon of milk was gone from the fridge. One of my roommates could have finished it off and threw out the plastic container, but I have a theory that a complete stranger walked into my house and stole the gallon of milk. It's possible!

Sure it's possible. But show us the evidence.

Until the OP does (which he won't, and can't), it's just another thread dragging down ATS into the depths of paranoid, uninformed delusions.

Stupid thread. Stop trying to push your BS stories just because some web-bot crap said something should happen.

The real question should be: why is the building still standing while, according to US government, it should have collapsed by now because of the fire (you know, just like WTC7 did).

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You have deny ignorance in your Avatar then you star and flag this and put in your own little person theory (whats with the weird formatting in all your posts) that it might have been a lazer on an airplane that started the fire?

I don't even know what to say anymore. I think its time for a break from ATS for a few months.

Oh boy then OP calls some one dumb dumb....

Originally posted by anonymousanonymous
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

It's very likely there could have been agents in the apartment block - just because the block doesn't say "Chinese Government - Top Secret Base" doesn't mean it isn't a target. Although, in your world I'm sure all your targets would say, "Attack me, I'm a government secret base" on the front door right?

DENY IGNORANCE PEOPLE

edit on 15-11-2010 by anonymousanonymous because: To put in "deny ignorance people"

Dude you're SPREADING IGNORANCE. Not everything is a conspiracy just cause you want it to be, look into the actual facts before turning every news headline you see into a conspiracy. You had zero evidence or basis for your theory other than you wanted it to be a conspiracy to fit into your fictional webbot world view. Some chinese welders caused the fire news.yahoo.com... not some cia operative shooting a mini missle out of his boot to start ww3 and yadayada. Only on ATS lol.[

Arson fire to a 5 story building in retaliation to a purported missile strike? No.

This scenario, maybe:

"CIA coverts have infiltrated Chinese military factory that manufactures soldier's uniforms. Their objective was to contaminate silica moisture packets used in shipping containers. Soldier's uniforms are predicted to disintegrate in the field of battle thereby exposing soldier's tiny "package". This action has been determined to be mentally demoralizing and rendering them uncapable of marching forward."

ATS, fasten your seat belts....It only keeps getting better!

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Explanation: Uhm???

You have deny ignorance in your Avatar then you star and flag this and put in your own little person theory (whats with the weird formatting in all your posts) that it might have been a lazer on an airplane that started the fire?

I don't even know what to say anymore. I think its time for a break from ATS for a few months.

Oh boy then OP calls some one dumb dumb....
edit on 11/16/2010 by sputniksteve because: (no reason given)

1stly This was my explanation on what most likely happened...

More likely to be as a result or the building renovations and China ain't so great with its building code although it is getting better!

2ndly There is nothing wrong with speculating within the realms of possibility until more information comes to light and hand and that is what the General Conspiracies forum is for...

General Conspiracies: This forum is dedicated to general conspiracy theories, cover-ups, and government scandals that may not fit into other topical forums on ATS. Discussion topics and follow-up responses in this forum will likely tend to lean in favor of conspiracies, scandals, and cover-ups. Members who would seek to refute such theories should be mindful of AboveTopSecret.com\'s tradition of focusing on conspiracy theory, cover-ups, and scandals.

... and that is what I did ...

Personal Disclsoure: But to speculate on the conspiracy front, it could of been a stealthyfied version of this ...

3rdly The OP'er being rude has nothing to do with me and I thank you bringing it to my attention as your post is what has made me return to this thread but I note that I am not the OP'er and you could have made an alert yourself about that issue [I have alerted].

Personal Disclosure: Engaging in the same rudeness has also earned you an alert!

Originally posted by anonymousanonymous
www.dailymail.co.uk...

The source of the fire unknown. 40 confirmed deaths. Something doesn't add up here - especially all the news of missile strikes and suspected cold war USA vs China.

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Tipping point?

User hypocrites writes :

"so lets look at possibilities. yea, i believe we (the united states) are trading covert blows with china because they are embarassing the us defense. (popping up in the middle of our drills with massive subs, possibly emp'ing our cruise ships, you have all probably seen the links) china has also attempted a blow at nasa, saying they airbrush, and preparing to take pictures of the same locations that were "airbrushed" off of the moons surface, and have shot down one of their sattelites in a show of force.
now if we are at war with china, china is doing a much more effective job, and all of that money that poured into d.o.d/homeland security seems to be kinda useless, aye? seems they have put more into watching everyone in the u.s, they lost track of viable threats to "homeland security"

i believe however, that this may be a covert attack, or may be an indignant/mentally disturbed shanghai citizen could easily have started the blaze. its sketchy on the details, but seems to have started from the bottom, catching building materials on fire, and it travelling up the scaffolding.

homegrown terrorism, covert us military spec-op, chinese false flag, or shoddy wiring? we'll probably never know
"
He summed that up nicely, What do YOU think?

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ATS User "Pervius" wirtes :

The Chinese ship with 55,000 tons of nickel on it that just sank....

The big fire at the port where China is building their aircraft carriers....

The Chinese sub that was spotted off of Japan that surfaced with smoke coming out of it....

Those are things I would suspect as Navy seals doing for us....

The plot thickens huh? What do YOU think?

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Im still confused about how that building didnt free-fall collapse on itself.

I thought fire causes buildings to free-fall collapse into smithereens?

Perhaps it was orchestrated by the Chinese government so they can use it as an excuse to look for oil in America. Or perhaps the fire was just a hollogram and the bodies were planted there afterwards.

On serious note. I think people need to drop the whole, China v U.S. war rubbish. Your either desperate for some war, a bit of action or your a cretin. Do you really think if the U.S. fired a missile at China, they wouldn't come out and tell the world what had happened so we all turned against America? What would America have to gain out of war with China? Why only send a little missile killing 40 people when China could retaliate with a nuke?

Im glad this has been debunked.

Originally posted by anonymousanonymous
Ok, I've done further research - on Chinese IRC - they claim that there were chinese government employees that are among the dead!! Ohhhh yes!! Total conspiracy!! I knew it!! Yes!!!! Chinese feds are dead! Told you! I knew this stank.

Chinese IRC you say?

Do you speak/understand Chinese?
Please don't tell me that they were talking in English on a Chinese IRC channel, because if by some remote possibility they were (and I personally believe that you made it up to try and add some credibility to an absurd story) then why did you not post a screen shot of the IRC chat panel?........in fact you will probably still be able to go back through the log on your HD and find one!

So I'd like you to find the IRC log where it is reported "Chinese Feds are dead"

I'll not hold my breath.

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Can you please provide links to the news articles that talk of the subs and ships that you speak of?
Especially the one about a Chinese Sub popping up in the middle of a US training exercise.

Cheers,

reply to post by Kliskey



A Chinese sub did pop up during a US Navy training exercise.............however it was 3 years ago

source

If it was an attack by US it would be a TV/Media building instead of a residential building which was being renovated. Unless they missed the target building . I'd look if there's any Iranian embassies around that settlement, you may find a smoking gun .

WELDERS!?!

There it is no US strike welders killed those people......

Wait.....

Maybe.....

Thats the cover so china doesnt lose face......

I mean how can welders kill 53 people?

reply to post by anonymousanonymous


I live here in China, but not Shanghai, you really should see the state that some of these buildings are in and the materials used some of them are just accidents waiting to happen, look up the CCTV tower fire in Beijing that happened awhile ago.


Edit to add.

Take a look at this link and tell me what you think about the condition of the building and the way they conduct work on it.
China Daily

reply to post by anonymousanonymous


how come you expect the USA to show all the cards they are playing? wouldn't it be much wiser for you to let your enemy think of you as incompetent? whats the point of doing anything to a chinese sub in the middle of a drill? do you really want to alert the chinese that you can track their subs so they develop better technology? you want the "enemy" to think of you as dumb and stupid so they develop a false sense of the way things are, and when they finally come to punch us in the face and they expect us to flinch, we will side step and stick that knife right in the dragons throat and they wont even see it coming!

Originally posted by crackerjack
reply to post by anonymousanonymous

 

I live here in China, but not Shanghai, you really should see the state that some of these buildings are in and the materials used some of them are just accidents waiting to happen, look up the CCTV tower fire in Beijing that happened awhile ago.

edit on 16-11-2010 by crackerjack because: (no reason given)

Edit to add.

Take a look at this link and tell me what you think about the condition of the building and the way they conduct work on it.
China Daily

edit on 16-11-2010 by crackerjack because: (no reason given)

the cctv building didnt burn down, it was the hotel next door and that was because they were shooting industrial fireworks inside the building, that had nothing to do with the construction quality